2023 NBA Draft

clyde21 · Post #441 » by **clyde21** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:37 pm

this is such a weird fkn conversation...what do you mean by 'real production'? Scoot was a monster HS player and was productive enough as a 17 yr in the G League against grown ass men? what did you want to see at this point exactly?

and yes, a strong FT% has historically been a good indicator that the shooting can get better, and in general he has solid mechanics and good shot versatility from all over the floor. unless the dude magically stops getting better for some rando reason there is 0 evidence to suggest he and his shot won't continue to get better.

also not sure what u mean by 'he can be a lotto'...what? right now he's a top 3 pick indisputably. also you have him #2 on your entire Big Board so not sure if you are confused or feel like contradicting yourself?

Hal14 · Post #442 » by **Hal14** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:54 pm

clyde21 wrote:this is such a weird fkn conversation...what do you mean by 'real production'? Scoot was a monster HS player and was productive enough as a 17 yr in the G League against grown ass men? what did you want to see at this point exactly?

and yes, a strong FT% has historically been a good indicator that the shooting can get better, and in general he has solid mechanics and good shot versatility from all over the floor. unless the dude magically stops getting better for some rando reason there is 0 evidence to suggest he and his shot won't continue to get better.

also not sure what u mean by 'he can be a lotto'...what? right now he's a top 3 pick indisputably. also you have him #2 on your entire Big Board so not sure if you are confused or feel like contradicting yourself?

That doesn't really mean anything. At this time last year, Hardy was a top 3 pick and then he ended up going in the 2nd round. At this time last year, Watson, Houstan and Baldwin were top 10 while Murray, Eason, Johnny Davis and Jalen Williams weren't projected to go in the 1st round.

You seem to think it's a given that he will increase his 3 PT% this season from 21% to 33% or higher (To take a PG who's only 6'2" in the top 3, IMO he's gotta shoot at least 33% from 3 as a pre-draft prospect, if not higher). I'm not so certain he'll be able to make that type of jump, which is why I think it's reasonable to rank him (for now at least) outside of the top 3, or even outside of the top 5.

Kuminga, Isiah Todd and jalen Green all shot 33% or better from 3 for Ignite as a teenager so it's certainly possible. Plenty of teenagers have shot 33% or better from 3 in international leagues "vs grown a&& men". The only 2 Ignite players to get picked in the top 7 (Green, Kuminga) shot 33% or better from 3 for Ignite. Guys like Hardy, Beauchamp and Daniels who shot lower than 33% from 3 for the Ignite shot - they all went outside the top 7. And those other Ignite guys are all much taller than 6'2".

If you think it's such a weird conversation - no one is forcing you to continue having it lol.

cms11 · Post #443 » by **cms11** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:58 pm

So maybe he goes in the lottery instead of late 1st round.

LOL, okay...

clyde21 · Post #444 » by **clyde21** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:03 pm

im just very confused about how u have him #2 on your big board and then talk about him as a lotto guy but ok you do you

Hal14 · Post #445 » by **Hal14** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:im just very confused about how u have him #2 on your big board and then talk about him as a lotto guy but ok you do you

I might not have him #2 still when i update my big board.

Also, my board (especially this far from the draft) is pretty fluid. Guys aren't locked into spots. It could be reasonable for a guy to be ranked anywhere between 3-12, for example (especially this from the draft)..

clyde21 · Post #446 » by **clyde21** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:12 pm

Hal14 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:im just very confused about how u have him #2 on your big board and then talk about him as a lotto guy but ok you do you

I might not have him #2 still when i update my big board.

so you posted that big board a week ago...you went from #2 overall to 'maybe not lotto' since? all based on his 3pt% as a 17 yrd old in the g league? :lol:

MemphisX · Post #447 » by **MemphisX** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:21 am

I have zero concerns about Scoot eventually becoming a viable 3 point shooter.

basketballRob · Post #448 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:17 am

Whitehead out indefinitely with foot surgery.

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MemphisX · Post #449 » by **MemphisX** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:33 am

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clyde21 · Post #450 » by **clyde21** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:12 am

my guy!!! noooooooooooooo.

BostonCouchGM · Post #451 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:39 am

Scoot only attempted 50 three point shots. a couple of hot games and he'd have shot in the 30% range. He has a nice touch and good form. There's no reason to think he'll be a bricklayer going forward. I don't think he's even 6'2". But he has that thing that makes him "different". The way he carries himself. His start/stops. He's crafty. He's explosive. He really does have that Rose/Ja ability in the open floor. I'm not ready to commit to "generational" until I know his true height and wingspan. If he's 6'2" in sneakers with average wingspan like I think then his stock takes a hit. If he shoots 30% from three it takes a hit. It doesn't mean he'll fall out of the top 2 though. I've already seen enough defensive talent where I'm not worried he'll be any worse than everyone else. That's a non-issue for me. Also, the class is looking kinda overrated so he won't fall far if he does. Certainly not outside of the top 5.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #452 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:36 pm

basketballRob wrote:Whitehead out indefinitely with foot surgery.

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i seriously hate this so much. nothing worse than a young potential star like dwh coming down with a serious injury.

babyjax13 · Post #453 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Sep 1, 2022 9:50 pm

I am very interested in this draft now lol

K_chile22 · Post #454 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Sep 1, 2022 10:30 pm

cms11 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Shame about the name 'Scoot'..

His real name is Sterling. His childhood nickname was "Scoota" for how he scooted around the floor as a toddler and it's recently been shortened to "Scoot".

Are you mixing up stories or did he get that nickname the exact same way KPJ did lol

Post #455 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Sep 2, 2022 7:54 pm

Scoot's body looks way thicker, stronger, and more developed at 17 then Westbrook, Rose, or Ja did even after they had a year or so of college. He's thick as hell.

No way he's not top 2, IDC what his 3 point percentage is this season. You can keep the guys taking step back, pull up 3's because they can't get into the lane, I'll take him unless there is some glaring red flag that his jumper and his overall game can't keep growing and developing.

Catchall · Post #456 » by **Catchall** » Sat Sep 3, 2022 6:09 pm

Scoot has the potential to be as good as Ja, or even a bit better. It will come down to shot making, in-between game and decision making with the ball. His tools and ability to get downhill are fairly comparable.

FWIW, Ja's weakness is that he's very predictable. He picks his angle and drives every time, or he just takes his set shot. He still doesn't have a reliable in-between game.

Roger Murdock · Post #457 » by **Roger Murdock** » Wed Sep 7, 2022 3:24 am

Watched a video highlighting history of NBA players Victors size. The results arent that good. Basically everyone 7'3'' or bigger deals with shortened careers due to lower body injuries.

Catchall · Post #458 » by **Catchall** » Wed Sep 7, 2022 4:27 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Watched a video highlighting history of NBA players Victors size. The results arent that good. Basically everyone 7'3'' or bigger deals with shortened careers due to lower body injuries.

Wembanyama presents some risk, but I think it's a risk most teams would be willing to take. It might make sense to load manage him throughout his career. With Yao Ming, I think a lot of it was just overuse.

Catchall · Post #459 » by **Catchall** » Wed Sep 7, 2022 5:19 am

Cam Whitmore is giving me some Jaylen Brown vibes. He's such a good athlete that the game just comes easy to him. He has plenty of defensive potential if he wants to use it.

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remi_222 · Post #460 » by **remi_222** » Wed Sep 7, 2022 7:34 am

Wembanyama and Scoot will play exhibition games at Vegas in October !!!!