Anthony Black - Arkansas

[basketballRob]

I would say Miller averaging 17 ppg as a rookie is pretty far ahead of where Black is a player right now.

but yeah wouldn't shock me even a bit if after this year Black was outside the top 14 in redraft with guys like Podz, Lively, Bilal, Keyonte, Jacquez, Cason, Hawkins, both Thompsons etc possibly all being considered better prospects just to name a few.

Black averaged 4.8 ppg, 1.3 apg, didn't draw fouls, didn't shoot from 3 with any type of volume his rookie year.. I don't think it is wild to be low on him after that. Sure he could improve but so can all the other guys that were drafted top 20.

Miller is 14 months older than him. Black will develop a lot over the next 14 months. I look at the others that you think will be better players than Black when I get off work.

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Brandon Miller is an all star level player right now. Anthony Black won't be in 14 months.

Anthony Black could be an all-star at some point. I doubt Miller is an all-star this season. It depends on what the Hornets record is. Franz could be ahead of him because he's on a better team.

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[clyde21]

i don't understand how anyone can watch Black and not come out with the conclusion that's he's a complete stud lol...idc that he's not scoring a lot of points on a team with scorers already like Franz and Paolo.

He played 17 mpg last year, Orlando must be idiots to not be playing a COMPLETE STUD over Gary Harris, Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony.

He also had a 13% usage and 10% assist % last year, both are putrid for a guy that was sold as a playmaker.
Along with 2.9 3PA per 36 and a 61% FT%.

He is the type of player I love my team to find as an undrafted FA, not the type of guy I want to spend a top 6 pick on.

and that jumped to 26 minutes this year already, meanwhile your boy Amen played 22 minutes last year and it's gone down to 21 this year. go bump the Amen thread and wallow in your own nonsense there instead of this one.

[JMAC3]

i don't understand how anyone can watch Black and not come out with the conclusion that's he's a complete stud lol...idc that he's not scoring a lot of points on a team with scorers already like Franz and Paolo.

He played 17 mpg last year, Orlando must be idiots to not be playing a COMPLETE STUD over Gary Harris, Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony.

He also had a 13% usage and 10% assist % last year, both are putrid for a guy that was sold as a playmaker.
Along with 2.9 3PA per 36 and a 61% FT%.

He is the type of player I love my team to find as an undrafted FA, not the type of guy I want to spend a top 6 pick on.

and that jumped to 26 minutes this year already, meanwhile your boy Amen played 22 minutes last year and it's gone down to 21 this year. go bump the Amen thread and wallow in your own nonsense there instead of this one.

That is fine bump the Amen thread, if people have doubts about him I am not going to argue for days right now. The difference is I am not in the Amen thread hyping him as Chris Paul or calling him a bonafide stud. Nor am I looking at mediocre 4 game sample sizes.

but if you really want to do this conversation, I am happy to indulge.

Amen per 36 last year vs Black per 36 last season
Amen- 15.4 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 4.2 apg , 2spg, 1 bpg--- 1388 total mins played-- 4.3 win shares
Black- 9.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.6 bpg--- 1164 total mins played--- 1.6 win shares

Doesn't really look that close, but I am sure you will try to use a whooping 4 game sample size for this season.

Oh actually 5 games now for Black after he put another bonafide stud performance of 4 pts on 1/5 shooting tonight.

[FarBeyondDriven]

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yep

Do you put Sheppard over Black also? Sheppard is out of the rotation, but he was like 6 mos. older than Black when he was drafted.

Are you talking about Keyonte? He played PG for Utah last season. He was one of the worst defenders in the league, so I viewed his stats as fluff. If you're talking about Kyshawn George, then that would make 10 PGs you view as better than AB from this draft.

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I have Sheppard about even with Black. Yes, I mean Kyshawn. It's kinda pointless re-litigating this discussion considering none of these guys are in a position to prove themselves definitively either way since they're young, get inconsistent minutes and are years from being finished products. I like Black like I like Derick White. Which is as a low-end starting PG or very capable backup which is what he's relegated to since Suggs is locked in as the starter. His career will probably be defined by whether he can shoot threes on volume. I would actually start Black at the 2 over KCP as he fits the timeline with the rest of the bunch and KCP can be the vet leader 6th man off the bench.

[basketballRob]

He played 17 mpg last year, Orlando must be idiots to not be playing a COMPLETE STUD over Gary Harris, Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony.

He also had a 13% usage and 10% assist % last year, both are putrid for a guy that was sold as a playmaker.
Along with 2.9 3PA per 36 and a 61% FT%.

He is the type of player I love my team to find as an undrafted FA, not the type of guy I want to spend a top 6 pick on.

and that jumped to 26 minutes this year already, meanwhile your boy Amen played 22 minutes last year and it's gone down to 21 this year. go bump the Amen thread and wallow in your own nonsense there instead of this one.

That is fine bump the Amen thread, if people have doubts about him I am not going to argue for days right now. The difference is I am not in the Amen thread hyping him as Chris Paul or calling him a bonafide stud. Nor am I looking at mediocre 4 game sample sizes.

but if you really want to do this conversation, I am happy to indulge.

Amen per 36 last year vs Black per 36 last season
Amen- 15.4 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 4.2 apg , 2spg, 1 bpg--- 1388 total mins played-- 4.3 win shares
Black- 9.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.6 bpg--- 1164 total mins played--- 1.6 win shares

Doesn't really look that close, but I am sure you will try to use a whooping 4 game sample size for this season.

Oh actually 5 games now for Black after he put another bonafide stud performance of 4 pts on 1/5 shooting tonight.

Black was sensational on defense last night. Amen is like a lot of players I've seen come into the league who never learned to shoot and ended up with a short career. Amen is also 1 year older.

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[JMAC3]

Black was sensational on defense last night. Amen is like a lot of players I've seen come into the league who never learned to shoot and ended up with a short career. Amen is also 1 year older.

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You know it is bad when you are glazing pick and pop assists and hockey assists.

These are fine plays, but hardly worthy of trying to sell anyone that he is a future all-star and a stud pick.

I can see as an Orlando fan you are too close to this situation, and I am not really going to sit here and split hairs over whether a guy had a good performance when he has 4 pts on 20% shooting after every game.

I think he is very mid, drafting Cody/Caleb Martin 6th overall is not a good pick imo despite sometimes they are useful players.

[basketballRob]

Black was sensational on defense last night. Amen is like a lot of players I've seen come into the league who never learned to shoot and ended up with a short career. Amen is also 1 year older.

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You know it is bad when you are glazing pick and pop assists and hockey assists.

These are fine plays, but hardly worthy of trying to sell anyone that he is a future all-star and a stud pick.

I can see as an Orlando fan you are too close to this situation, and I am not really going to sit here and split hairs over whether a guy had a good performance when he has 4 pts on 20% shooting after every game.

I think he is very mid, drafting Cody/Caleb Martin 6th overall is not a good pick imo despite sometimes they are useful players.

He shoots over 40% from 3 so far in the NBA, so you're criticizing 1 game shooting performance? Amen shoots like. 090 from 3.

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[clyde21]

AB is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year, and his FT is up to > 70%, all trajectory is positive, he's now also over 4 apg at 8 assists per 100 poss

compare that to your boy Amen, who's more than a year older than AB, who's regressing across the board, who's barely treading water at 30% from 3 and who now the Rockets have effectively removed his playmaking duties, down to 1 assist per game and a measly 2 assists per 100 possessions. while AB's minutes have doubled in his second season Amen's are going down.

hilarious watching this cat squirm in this thread while his boy, Amen, is literally worse across the board.

[basketballRob]

Houston would probably swap Amen for Black.

[JMAC3]

AB is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year, and his FT is up to > 70%, all trajectory is positive, he's now also over 4 apg at 8 assists per 100 poss

compare that to your boy Amen, who's more than a year older than AB, who's regressing across the board, who's barely treading water at 30% from 3 and who now the Rockets have effectively removed his playmaking duties, down to 1 assist per game and a measly 2 assists per 100 possessions. while AB's minutes have doubled in his second season Amen's are going down.

hilarious watching this cat squirm in this thread while his boy, Amen, is literally worse across the board.

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you actually trying to build an argument on shooting stats based on 9 attempts for Black and Amen's 6 attempts a week into the season...

but yes lets ignore a sample size of 2500 mins last year and only look at the 200 total mins they have played this year... seems like the right process lmao

[JMAC3]

Based on the logic in this thread you guys should go start a thread on the Gen Board calling Donovan Clingan a better shooter than Steph Curry. Clingan shoots 100% from 3 for his career.

[basketballRob]

AB is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year, and his FT is up to > 70%, all trajectory is positive, he's now also over 4 apg at 8 assists per 100 poss

compare that to your boy Amen, who's more than a year older than AB, who's regressing across the board, who's barely treading water at 30% from 3 and who now the Rockets have effectively removed his playmaking duties, down to 1 assist per game and a measly 2 assists per 100 possessions. while AB's minutes have doubled in his second season Amen's are going down.

hilarious watching this cat squirm in this thread while his boy, Amen, is literally worse across the board.

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you actually trying to build an argument on shooting stats based on 9 attempts for Black and Amen's 6 attempts a week into the season...

but yes lets ignore a sample size of 2500 mins last year and only look at the 200 total mins they have played this year... seems like the right process lmao

Give up, bro. Black will be a better PG than Amen. I have no doubt in my mind. It looks like Black will be starting for the next couple of months. Also, you aren't seriously trying to make an argument that Amen shoots as well as Black, are you?

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[clyde21]

AB is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year, and his FT is up to > 70%, all trajectory is positive, he's now also over 4 apg at 8 assists per 100 poss

compare that to your boy Amen, who's more than a year older than AB, who's regressing across the board, who's barely treading water at 30% from 3 and who now the Rockets have effectively removed his playmaking duties, down to 1 assist per game and a measly 2 assists per 100 possessions. while AB's minutes have doubled in his second season Amen's are going down.

hilarious watching this cat squirm in this thread while his boy, Amen, is literally worse across the board.

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you actually trying to build an argument on shooting stats based on 9 attempts for Black and Amen's 6 attempts a week into the season...

but yes lets ignore a sample size of 2500 mins last year and only look at the 200 total mins they have played this year... seems like the right process lmao

lol why the **** are you even in this thread if you just want to talk about last season? you've said what you had to say last season about AB, go away

[JMAC3]

lol why the **** are you even in this thread if you just want to talk about last season? you've said what you had to say last season about AB, go away

You are right, let's pick a 5 game sample since it favored whatever narrative you are spinning instead of a sample size that is 10x the size.

What do you know Black underwhelming again tonight with 7 pts on 8 shots while sporting a -13 +/-.

But I am sure BasketballRob will be along any minute to show Black have a great out of bounds save to tell me he played a really good game and how good he is.

[basketballRob]

lol why the **** are you even in this thread if you just want to talk about last season? you've said what you had to say last season about AB, go away

You are right, let's pick a 5 game sample since it favored whatever narrative you are spinning instead of a sample size that is 10x the size.

What do you know Black underwhelming again tonight with 7 pts on 8 shots while sporting a -13 +/-.

But I am sure BasketballRob will be along any minute to show Black have a great out of bounds save to tell me he played a really good game and how good he is.

Shepard is 5 months younger than AB. They could easily be in the same class. How did he do in the last game?

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[Braggins]

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[HadAnEffectHere]

The issue for Amen is that he's a center who is too small to play center and he only succeeded last year because Jabari Smith Jr. was playing as fake center.

Amen desperately needs someone like Chet or KAT and three other shooters around him and instead the Rockets loaded their roster with a bunch of non-shooters.

[JMAC3]

AB is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year, and his FT is up to > 70%, all trajectory is positive, he's now also over 4 apg at 8 assists per 100 poss

compare that to your boy Amen, who's more than a year older than AB, who's regressing across the board, who's barely treading water at 30% from 3 and who now the Rockets have effectively removed his playmaking duties, down to 1 assist per game and a measly 2 assists per 100 possessions. while AB's minutes have doubled in his second season Amen's are going down.

hilarious watching this cat squirm in this thread while his boy, Amen, is literally worse across the board.

You are really just going to spam this on every comment I make in every thread? Again, I am not out here trying to claim Amen right now is a certified stud like you did with Black.... but for some reason you want to keep jamming this comparison down everyone's throat even tho the numbers support Amen is better.

Here is an update on the season.
Amen 9.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.1 apg on 54.5% from field or 59.9 TS%
Black 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.1 apg on 40.7% from field or 49 TS%

[CptCrunch]

I'm the biggest Anthony Black believer on this board. I had him so high up even before getting drafted by Orlando.

Black is gonna be a 10 year starting PG in the league at minimum.

[azcatz11]

I'm curious why so many people are so high on Black and low on Lamelo?