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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#461 » by pacersGM » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:29 am

you guys are great :) here we are, in the preparational games for the european championships, and you miss the big picture - this posts title, by analyzing and mostly getting over excited by doncics play in every quarter of those "preparational games" - some behind closed doors, some against students from russia. :) thats nice. and such micro management and one way vision usualy leads to missing the big picture by a long shot.

is doncic a 2018 1pick? no, not now, and shurely not after the us prospects will average close to 25 ppg in the ncaa tournament or league play. he shows excelent all around talent during those prep games, wich hints he thrives in the europe team oriented game and could be a legend if he plays most of career here, and also shows he could be a valuable and solid nba player, but not a franchise player wich is often expected from a top 3-5 pick.

i repeated my opinion for a first time in 12 pages again, since i see that some are posting similar usefull information by arguing if 19,9 average is closer to 20 ppg or is averaging from 20-25 minutes ment to be the average of 22,5 minutes :) great guys

this topic is on its right way to you know where :)
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Post#462 » by Bob8 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:41 pm

pacersGM wrote:you guys are great :) here we are, in the preparational games for the european championships, and you miss the big picture - this posts title, by analyzing and mostly getting over excited by doncics play in every quarter of those "preparational games" - some behind closed doors, some against students from russia. :) thats nice. and such micro management and one way vision usualy leads to missing the big picture by a long shot.

is doncic a 2018 1pick? no, not now, and shurely not after the us prospects will average close to 25 ppg in the ncaa tournament or league play. he shows excelent all around talent during those prep games, wich hints he thrives in the europe team oriented game and could be a legend if he plays most of career here, and also shows he could be a valuable and solid nba player, but not a franchise player wich is often expected from a top 3-5 pick.

i repeated my opinion for a first time in 12 pages again, since i see that some are posting similar usefull information by arguing if 19,9 average is closer to 20 ppg or is averaging from 20-25 minutes ment to be the average of 22,5 minutes :) great guys

this topic is on its right way to you know where :)


And NCAA is of course great competition, ful of great players. And top prospects are playing every day against each other. ;) When Doncic scores 27 points against Croatia with 3 Nba players it's just a friendly. The truth is there can't be friendly matcy when this 2 countries play against each other in any sports. But o.k. it's a friendly. But please tell me, when American prospects are playing with similar competition? Videos with Porter scoring 40+ points and blocking everybody, playing with midgets in school, are probably not it. Or maybe they're?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#463 » by pacersGM » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:17 pm

Look. If the main criteria for a prospects future would be competition he faces, then scouts would be out of work. It would be simple math. But if you dont see nba superstar potential in michael porter or bagleys games, then i cant help you man :) and if you cant diferenciate the euro game from the nba game, sorry again. I see in doncic the euro greats pattern of bodiroga, diamantidis, papaloukas. Smart and crafty, but not athletic enough for nba stardom. If you see something different in doncic thats cool, more power to you if ge becomes an nba star/all star. If you look at yason tatums ncaa stats, they are not the world either with 16 ppg and 7rebs, but you can see he will average 20 in the nba in 2 years. Does that make ncaa better then the nba? Dont think so. So there is no stats /age/metrical formula, but there is also the nose for talent, wich i luckaly have :D so, see you in 3/4 years when you congratulate me on my instincts. Quotes will be more then welcome then. Until then, keep analyzing those pre eurobasket behind hidden doors games, since they are great pointers of where he will be as an nba player :)
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#464 » by XTraderXL » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:42 pm

pacersGM wrote:Look. If the main criteria for a prospects future would be competition he faces, then scouts would be out of work. It would be simple math. But if you dont see nba superstar potential in michael porter or bagleys games, then i cant help you man :) and if you cant diferenciate the euro game from the nba game, sorry again. I see in doncic the euro greats pattern of bodiroga, diamantidis, papaloukas. Smart and crafty, but not athletic enough for nba stardom. If you see something different in doncic thats cool, more power to you if ge becomes an nba star/all star. If you look at yason tatums ncaa stats, they are not the world either with 16 ppg and 7rebs, but you can see he will average 20 in the nba in 2 years. Does that make ncaa better then the nba? Dont think so. So there is no stats /age/metrical formula, but there is also the nose for talent, wich i luckaly have :D so, see you in 3/4 years when you congratulate me on my instincts. Quotes will be more then welcome then. Until then, keep analyzing those pre eurobasket behind hidden doors games, since they are great pointers of where he will be as an nba player :)



If you need to say you have the nose for talent about yourself, then I tend to believe otherwise. I dont really know Tatums game so I cant comment on him but in the past you have said some real bull*** so its very hard to take you seriously. But as you said, we will see in a few years.
I dont know what Lukas ceiling is but I am certain his floor is a borderline all star which is still a very, very good player.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#465 » by pacersGM » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:12 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
If you need to say you have the nose for talent about yourself, then I tend to believe otherwise. I dont really know Tatums game so I cant comment on him but in the past you have said some real bull*** so its very hard to take you seriously. But as you said, we will see in a few years.
I dont know what Lukas ceiling is but I am certain his floor is a borderline all star which is still a very, very good player.


well if you think the worst doncic can do is to be an all star snub / borderline all star, then you are in a whole another dimension:) . so i dont know where the objective thoughts are supposed to be on your side, i wont go as far as you and call them bull... , but i very easy could, with such statements coming from you with regularity :)
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#466 » by Mirotic12 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:14 pm

XTraderXL wrote:Anyway, Doncic might be better than Atic in a couple of years, but right now I would definitely rather have Atic. He's a better ball handler, he's a better finisher, he's a better passer, he's a at least a comparable play maker, he's a better one to one player, he's more explosive, he's got a more defined position, he's much quicker, and he's a much better athlete. Doncic is a better long range shooter.

This is what you wrote on September 18, 2016. You said you would definitely rather have Atic. In your opinion he is better at everything except long range shooting. If I wouldnt know who you are talking about I would think you are comparing LeBron to JJ Redick. So please tell me how you did not say he is better? I guess you are getting old since you keep forgetting things you said a year ago...


Nowhere did I say anything about how Atic would have a better 2016-17 season, which is what you claimed I said. I don't want to have to put you on ignore, so again, please stop changing around what I posted, to fit whatever argument you are making.

Also, you keep posting here like it is somehow ridiculous for anyone to claim Atic is a top level talent. I doubt you have even seen Atic play, because anyone with basketball knowledge should be able to see how talented he is.

pacersGM wrote:Look. If the main criteria for a prospects future would be competition he faces, then scouts would be out of work. It would be simple math. But if you dont see nba superstar potential in michael porter or bagleys games, then i cant help you man :) and if you cant diferenciate the euro game from the nba game, sorry again. I see in doncic the euro greats pattern of bodiroga, diamantidis, papaloukas. Smart and crafty, but not athletic enough for nba stardom. If you see something different in doncic thats cool, more power to you if ge becomes an nba star/all star. If you look at yason tatums ncaa stats, they are not the world either with 16 ppg and 7rebs, but you can see he will average 20 in the nba in 2 years. Does that make ncaa better then the nba? Dont think so. So there is no stats /age/metrical formula, but there is also the nose for talent, wich i luckaly have :D so, see you in 3/4 years when you congratulate me on my instincts. Quotes will be more then welcome then. Until then, keep analyzing those pre eurobasket behind hidden doors games, since they are great pointers of where he will be as an nba player :)


How much European basketball have you actually watched? Papaloukas was a freak athlete when he was in his early and mid 20s. Easily more athletic than an average NBA player.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#467 » by Bob8 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:22 pm

pacersGM wrote:Look. If the main criteria for a prospects future would be competition he faces, then scouts would be out of work. It would be simple math. But if you dont see nba superstar potential in michael porter or bagleys games, then i cant help you man :) and if you cant diferenciate the euro game from the nba game, sorry again. I see in doncic the euro greats pattern of bodiroga, diamantidis, papaloukas. Smart and crafty, but not athletic enough for nba stardom. If you see something different in doncic thats cool, more power to you if ge becomes an nba star/all star. If you look at yason tatums ncaa stats, they are not the world either with 16 ppg and 7rebs, but you can see he will average 20 in the nba in 2 years. Does that make ncaa better then the nba? Dont think so. So there is no stats /age/metrical formula, but there is also the nose for talent, wich i luckaly have :D so, see you in 3/4 years when you congratulate me on my instincts. Quotes will be more then welcome then. Until then, keep analyzing those pre eurobasket behind hidden doors games, since they are great pointers of where he will be as an nba player :)


Yes, I know. All American high school stars become Nba stars. It must be incredible crowded there.;)

It looks that you're much smarter and have better instincts than all scouts, who are coming in Europe to see him. They should stay at home and asked you about Luka. :D
If Dragic was drafted as 45th, and if I understand you right, Luka's ceiling is someone like Dragic and even that is in your opinion highly unlikely, than I guess, late second round is expected for Doncic. Maybe New York can draft him to clean Ntilikina's shoes or bring him water.

The only thing I don't understand is, why you're here, writing about mediocre player from Europe? I for sure don't write posts in Porter's, Bagley's thread. Someone with your nose for talents should be out partying with celebrities or at least doing something more important than writing in forum about players he doesn't like.;)
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#468 » by XTraderXL » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:03 pm

You said yourself that right now you would definitely have Atic. Then you went on to say he is basically better or equal at everything except long range shooting. There is no other interpretation than Atic is a better player and a better prospect. You can try to wiggle your way out of it but that is what you said last year. I really dont know how you can claim you meant something else when its clear as day what you were trying to say.

I did not say he is not talented but claiming he is on the same level as Doncic is just ridiculous. I said it before last season and I am saying it again. Some of the claims you said like he is at least on Doncic level as a playmaker and a better passer are just laughable. Do you still believe all those things you wrote? Would you still rather have Atic or do you admit you were wrong?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#469 » by Stackey » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:37 pm

Seems like Doncic didn't learn just basketball in Madrid, some Slovenian journalists noticed how he knows to pose in the front of the cameras and knows right words for the press. He's like one of those public persons who always have a big smile on their face but you actually isn't sure is that fake smile.

I mean, that's a good, he will fit well in the professional world of NBA.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#470 » by maRioGrande » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:35 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:Anyway, Doncic might be better than Atic in a couple of years, but right now I would definitely rather have Atic. He's a better ball handler, he's a better finisher, he's a better passer, he's a at least a comparable play maker, he's a better one to one player, he's more explosive, he's got a more defined position, he's much quicker, and he's a much better athlete. Doncic is a better long range shooter.

This is what you wrote on September 18, 2016. You said you would definitely rather have Atic. In your opinion he is better at everything except long range shooting. If I wouldnt know who you are talking about I would think you are comparing LeBron to JJ Redick. So please tell me how you did not say he is better? I guess you are getting old since you keep forgetting things you said a year ago...


Nowhere did I say anything about how Atic would have a better 2016-17 season, which is what you claimed I said. I don't want to have to put you on ignore, so again, please stop changing around what I posted, to fit whatever argument you are making.

Also, you keep posting here like it is somehow ridiculous for anyone to claim Atic is a top level talent. I doubt you have even seen Atic play, because anyone with basketball knowledge should be able to see how talented he is.

Well, you said Atic is better player and then you said you never said that. It is ridiculous to claim that Atic is better than Doncic, which is what you claimed. And who said Atic is not talented?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#471 » by maRioGrande » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:44 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
pacersGM wrote:Look. If the main criteria for a prospects future would be competition he faces, then scouts would be out of work. It would be simple math. But if you dont see nba superstar potential in michael porter or bagleys games, then i cant help you man :) and if you cant diferenciate the euro game from the nba game, sorry again. I see in doncic the euro greats pattern of bodiroga, diamantidis, papaloukas. Smart and crafty, but not athletic enough for nba stardom. If you see something different in doncic thats cool, more power to you if ge becomes an nba star/all star. If you look at yason tatums ncaa stats, they are not the world either with 16 ppg and 7rebs, but you can see he will average 20 in the nba in 2 years. Does that make ncaa better then the nba? Dont think so. So there is no stats /age/metrical formula, but there is also the nose for talent, wich i luckaly have :D so, see you in 3/4 years when you congratulate me on my instincts. Quotes will be more then welcome then. Until then, keep analyzing those pre eurobasket behind hidden doors games, since they are great pointers of where he will be as an nba player :)



If you need to say you have the nose for talent about yourself, then I tend to believe otherwise. I dont really know Tatums game so I cant comment on him but in the past you have said some real bull*** so its very hard to take you seriously. But as you said, we will see in a few years.
I dont know what Lukas ceiling is but I am certain his floor is a borderline all star which is still a very, very good player.

C'mon man :D
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Post#472 » by pacersGM » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:23 am

Bob8 wrote:It looks that you're much smarter and have better instincts than all scouts, who are coming in Europe to see him. They should stay at home and asked you about Luka. :D
If Dragic was drafted as 45th, and if I understand you right, Luka's ceiling is someone like Dragic and even that is in your opinion highly unlikely, than I guess, late second round is expected for Doncic. Maybe New York can draft him to clean Ntilikina's shoes or bring him water.


you are again writing your fantasy story on your own here :) no one said doncic wont be drafted high and that no scout should watch him, because he will be drafted in the top 5 probably (but shurely not first), and in my mind can become a good nba player.
yes my ceeiling for him is DRAGIC (not playing style or size or position wise, but status wise - BORDERLINE ALL STAR while in his prime- wich in my mind is awesome, and more then fair and what not, but the same projection seem to irritate many as some think thats an insult, and have DRAGIC as doncics total nba FLOOR :) thats just awesome, really :)

and to Mirotic12, who always has a kind word for the euroleague and its great players. if Papaloukas was an above average athlete during his 20s like you stated - that must have worn off really fast, since i havent seen him dunk or not run awkward in the last 10 years when i watched (yes i watched) him play euroleague basketball. please man. you can fool someone who was not around yesterday but not me. if papaloukas was ever - EVER in an nba scouts player report with the line: ABOVE AVERAGE ATHLETE, then im done with life in general :) :) now i am waiting on a youtube clip of him dunking to prove me wrong (similar to the 19.9 minutes per game thesis) :) oh, you said HE WAS A FREAK ATHLETE in his mid 20s. thats even better :)
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Post#473 » by Bob8 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:29 am

pacersGM wrote:
Bob8 wrote:It looks that you're much smarter and have better instincts than all scouts, who are coming in Europe to see him. They should stay at home and asked you about Luka. :D
If Dragic was drafted as 45th, and if I understand you right, Luka's ceiling is someone like Dragic and even that is in your opinion highly unlikely, than I guess, late second round is expected for Doncic. Maybe New York can draft him to clean Ntilikina's shoes or bring him water.


you are again writing your fantasy story on your own here :) no one said doncic wont be drafted high and that no scout should watch him, because he will be drafted in the top 5 probably (but shurely not first), and in my mind can become a good nba player.
yes my ceeiling for him is DRAGIC (not playing style or size or position wise, but status wise - BORDERLINE ALL STAR while in his prime- wich in my mind is awesome, and more then fair and what not, but the same projection seem to irritate many as some think thats an insult, and have DRAGIC as doncics total nba FLOOR :) thats just awesome, really :)

and to Mirotic12, who always has a kind word for the euroleague and its great players. if Papaloukas was an above average athlete during his 20s like you stated - that must have worn off really fast, since i havent seen him dunk or not run awkward in the last 10 years when i watched (yes i watched) him play euroleague basketball. please man. you can fool someone who was not around yesterday but not me. if papaloukas was ever - EVER in an nba scouts player report with the line: ABOVE AVERAGE ATHLETE, then im done with life in general :) :) now i am waiting on a youtube clip of him dunking to prove me wrong (similar to the 19.9 minutes per game thesis) :) oh, you said HE WAS A FREAK ATHLETE in his mid 20s. thats even better :)


Why should anyone draft Doncic in top 5 if his ceiling is "only" borderline all star? And maybe you can tell me what was written in Jokic's scouts report, when he was drafted 41. I will have wild guess, NO Athleticism.;)

Maybe I'm wrong about Doncic and he won't be nothing special, but I know anything is possible, maybe he won't be nothing special in Europe too. Stranger things happened before. But you're living in a fantasy that you know everything. If I say his ceiling is higher than Dragic's, that's only possibility, based on what he's doing at this moment on the court, with only 18 years. He has 7 or more years to his prime. It's normal to expect he will be better in everything what is he doing today. But of course, maybe he won't be. On the the other hand you're saying everything as a fact. Like you know what future brings. And it's impossible to talk to person like that, no only about basketball, but in real life too.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#474 » by pacersGM » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:00 am

Bob8 wrote:
Why should anyone draft Doncic in top 5 if his ceiling is "only" borderline all star? And maybe you can tell me what was written in Jokic's scouts report, when he was drafted 41. I will have wild guess, NO Athleticism.;)

Maybe I'm wrong about Doncic and he won't be nothing special, but I know anything is possible, maybe he won't be nothing special in Europe too. Stranger things happened before. But you're living in a fantasy that you know everything. If I say his ceiling is higher than Dragic's, that's only possibility, based on what he's doing at this moment on the court, with only 18 years. He has 7 or more years to his prime. It's normal to expect he will be better in everything what is he doing today. But of course, maybe he won't be. On the the other hand you're saying everything as a fact. Like you know what future brings. And it's impossible to talk to person like that, no only about basketball, but in real life too.


jokic had: 7ft3in wingspan and 9ft3inch standing reach standing writen in his scouting report. and considering 7ft centers usualy dont require as much athletic ability as guards.

im presenting my thinking on doncic, and usualy name frameworks, limits wich i consider reasonable from what is known and seen of doncic, and considering what i already know about euro and nba basketball and what it takes to succeed.

i am doing so, because it is equaliy annoying reading the "game report - analysis" after each friendly game (be it against a solid team in croatia or a student team from russia), and reading people going off after each 15 -5 -5 friendly game in august. thats amusing and annoying at the same time. so as long as people are doing that (going to extremes with predictions, and anything is possible - in fantasy unicorn mode) thats how long i will be on the other hand provide my thinking on that matter wich is as equaly subjective and supported with non facts, as the others posters.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#475 » by Saberestar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:20 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:Anyway, Doncic might be better than Atic in a couple of years, but right now I would definitely rather have Atic. He's a better ball handler, he's a better finisher, he's a better passer, he's a at least a comparable play maker, he's a better one to one player, he's more explosive, he's got a more defined position, he's much quicker, and he's a much better athlete. Doncic is a better long range shooter.

This is what you wrote on September 18, 2016. You said you would definitely rather have Atic. In your opinion he is better at everything except long range shooting. If I wouldnt know who you are talking about I would think you are comparing LeBron to JJ Redick. So please tell me how you did not say he is better? I guess you are getting old since you keep forgetting things you said a year ago...


Nowhere did I say anything about how Atic would have a better 2016-17 season, which is what you claimed I said. I don't want to have to put you on ignore, so again, please stop changing around what I posted, to fit whatever argument you are making.

Also, you keep posting here like it is somehow ridiculous for anyone to claim Atic is a top level talent. I doubt you have even seen Atic play, because anyone with basketball knowledge should be able to see how talented he is.

pacersGM wrote:Look. If the main criteria for a prospects future would be competition he faces, then scouts would be out of work. It would be simple math. But if you dont see nba superstar potential in michael porter or bagleys games, then i cant help you man :) and if you cant diferenciate the euro game from the nba game, sorry again. I see in doncic the euro greats pattern of bodiroga, diamantidis, papaloukas. Smart and crafty, but not athletic enough for nba stardom. If you see something different in doncic thats cool, more power to you if ge becomes an nba star/all star. If you look at yason tatums ncaa stats, they are not the world either with 16 ppg and 7rebs, but you can see he will average 20 in the nba in 2 years. Does that make ncaa better then the nba? Dont think so. So there is no stats /age/metrical formula, but there is also the nose for talent, wich i luckaly have :D so, see you in 3/4 years when you congratulate me on my instincts. Quotes will be more then welcome then. Until then, keep analyzing those pre eurobasket behind hidden doors games, since they are great pointers of where he will be as an nba player :)


How much European basketball have you actually watched? Papaloukas was a freak athlete when he was in his early and mid 20s. Easily more athletic than an average NBA player.

Papaloukas and freak athlete on the same sentence? :o

Papaloukas was an average athlete at best IMO...he was a terrific player because of his amazing basketball IQ.

Regarding Doncic, I love his huge upside and potential. I think he can be a really special player in the NBA.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#476 » by Bob8 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:45 am

pacersGM wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Why should anyone draft Doncic in top 5 if his ceiling is "only" borderline all star? And maybe you can tell me what was written in Jokic's scouts report, when he was drafted 41. I will have wild guess, NO Athleticism.;)

Maybe I'm wrong about Doncic and he won't be nothing special, but I know anything is possible, maybe he won't be nothing special in Europe too. Stranger things happened before. But you're living in a fantasy that you know everything. If I say his ceiling is higher than Dragic's, that's only possibility, based on what he's doing at this moment on the court, with only 18 years. He has 7 or more years to his prime. It's normal to expect he will be better in everything what is he doing today. But of course, maybe he won't be. On the the other hand you're saying everything as a fact. Like you know what future brings. And it's impossible to talk to person like that, no only about basketball, but in real life too.


jokic had: 7ft3in wingspan and 9ft3inch standing reach standing writen in his scouting report. and considering 7ft centers usualy dont require as much athletic ability as guards.

im presenting my thinking on doncic, and usualy name frameworks, limits wich i consider reasonable from what is known and seen of doncic, and considering what i already know about euro and nba basketball and what it takes to succeed.

i am doing so, because it is equaliy annoying reading the "game report - analysis" after each friendly game (be it against a solid team in croatia or a student team from russia), and reading people going off after each 15 -5 -5 friendly game in august. thats amusing and annoying at the same time. so as long as people are doing that (going to extremes with predictions, and anything is possible - in fantasy unicorn mode) thats how long i will be on the other hand provide my thinking on that matter wich is as equaly subjective and supported with non facts, as the others posters.


The question is why he was drafted only 41st?
I'm sure scouts just didn't believe someone so unathletic can play important role in Nba. And they were totally wrong.

What's more difficult, going 27/8/6 against solid team like Croatia, with some decent Nba players or doing 30/10/10 in some random school game? Because in any prospects thread we can see a lot of YouTube clips with "amazing" dunking and scoring against midget opponents. And nobody is annoyed about this meaningless games and reports. I don't believe you're writing everywhere how this games are meaningless.

There's only 1 fact about this preparations games. He was 1 class better than anybody else, including Dragic. We will see what will happen in Eurobasket. But it will be pretty unusual if mediocre prospect will be better than Nba top 10 Pg in his prime. Of course you will find some excuse for Dragic if something like that will happen. Other way around this meaningless games will suddenly become very important.;)

There's one thing you deliberately forgetting about Doncic. He's professional player for 2 years and he proved he can play in professional league. He has great work ethic, attitude and can stand pressure and 80+ games in professional league. Not every prospects are capable of that. And because of that his floor is higher than by average prospect, who is yet to play professional basketball. We simply know Doncic can play professional basketball. We saw in the past some great prospects couldn't.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#477 » by pacersGM » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:45 am

1. dragic seems to see those preparation games against hungary, russian STUDENTS, checzs, israel of similar importance as me. :)
you have to look at it from dragics perspective: would you go all out or 80% against hungarian basketball players while risking an nba career wich brings him currently 14 milion euros per season? of course you would ..NOT. or would you go all out while debuting for your home country, beeing 18 years old, and wanting to prove himself like doncic does now. so if your comparing gorans attitude towards those preparation games with the attitude of doncic, you failed again, because its not the same, and anyone who know a bit about ball would also put that in perspective.

2. of course you cant pull any major info out of these meaningless preparational games, but you guys analyze his every step against f... israel :) damn, if that isnt overhyped, overblown in every sence then i dont know what is.

im not jumping out of my seat when michael poter scores 60 in a semi pro summer league against also grown men, but i can see a way bigger nba star potential in him and his play then in doncic so far. but doncic is briliant and smart for european basketball, no doubt, like i said, he just wont be getting the ball in the last seconds of the 4th quarter and have the job of scoring buckets on jimmy buttler or paul george when needed. that just wont happen, sorry :)
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Post#478 » by Bob8 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:10 pm

pacersGM wrote:1. dragic seems to see those preparation games against hungary, russian STUDENTS, checzs, israel of similar importance as me. :)
you have to look at it from dragics perspective: would you go all out or 80% against hungarian basketball players while risking an nba career wich brings him currently 14 milion euros per season? of course you would ..NOT. or would you go all out while debuting for your home country, beeing 18 years old, and wanting to prove himself like doncic does now. so if your comparing gorans attitude towards those preparation games with the attitude of doncic, you failed again, because its not the same, and anyone who know a bit about ball would also put that in perspective.

2. of course you cant pull any major info out of these meaningless preparational games, but you guys analyze his every step against f... israel :) damn, if that isnt overhyped, overblown in every sence then i dont know what is.

im not jumping out of my seat when michael poter scores 60 in a semi pro summer league against also grown men, but i can see a way bigger nba star potential in him and his play then in doncic so far. but doncic is briliant and smart for european basketball, no doubt, like i said, he just wont be getting the ball in the last seconds of the 4th quarter and have the job of scoring buckets on jimmy buttler or paul george when needed. that just wont happen, sorry :)


No problem, I will wait for Eurobasket. Or maybe Dragic won't be enough motivated in his last competition for Slovenia too?

Like I said, scouts, GM's and wisemen like you have seen 40 better prospects than unathletic Jokic in 2014. And how many are better now? :D

It's not overhyped, because no 17-18 years kid in Europe haven't done what he's doing in Real and National team, ever.

I see you can see in the future. Good for you. :D
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Post#479 » by pacersGM » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:54 pm

I dont see into future, but i also dont read fairytales anymore (doncic floor is borderline all star :) )

And i dont care if doncic has better stats then dragic once eurobasket ends as it doesnt mean s... while projecting his nba future potential :)

For that to play out, i will gladly wait those 3-5 years. I hope your still around then, so we can talk some more then :)
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Post#480 » by Bob8 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:44 pm

pacersGM wrote:I dont see into future, but i also dont read fairytales anymore (doncic floor is borderline all star :) )

And i dont care if doncic has better stats then dragic once eurobasket ends as it doesnt mean s... while projecting his nba future potential :)

For that to play out, i will gladly wait those 3-5 years. I hope your still around then, so we can talk some more then :)


Do you understand how pathetic are you? You said Dragic is a legend, better than Teodosic, Spanoulis, Diamantidis... But you're not sure if he will be better than 18 years old rookie, playing in the same team in the similar position and Dragic being clear leader.;) He should dominate Eurobasket, especially with all absences, not only be the best in Slovenian team, if he's that good. Or maybe you think Eurobasket is competition in volleyball? :D If only Nba counts for you, why you even bother writing here. Let's wait until Doncic's prime. That should be somewhere around 7-10 years. :wink:

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