2020 NBA Draft II

pad300 · Post #461 » by **pad300** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:29 pm

getrichordie wrote:Abdoulaye N'Doye. This is the guy I want OKC to draft. If we can move up into the early 2nd, I would be ecstatic to have this guy.

Knicks fans...

#25 + #51 + Diallo + 2023 2nd swap

for

#27 and #38 + Dotson?

Ahem!

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1821607

Stay away from my Spurs's classic international second round steal ya thieving thunder-boy !

InTheNBADraft · Post #462 » by **InTheNBADraft** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:24 pm

This draft seems so **** bad to me. Bad drafts are so depressing.

Post #463 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:33 pm

I agree with many that aren't hyped about this draft. Im not seeing a guy I would be happy with a top 3 pick with in this draft and not really seeing a single guy I would be happy with, with a top 5 pick if Im being honest. I also think the lotto is going to be littered with major busts.

With that said there are a good amount of guys that will likely go 10-40 that Im going to be interested in.
Saddiq Bey
Nico
Aaron Nesmith
Jaden McDaniels
Jalen Smith
Josh Green
Scottie Lewis
Daniel Oturu
Yves Pons

Just to name a few. If you gave me the choice to take the top 10 or the field for when it comes to where the best player from this draft comes from. Id probably take the field. I think a lot of the guys I just named dont make any kind of mark in the NBA, but I think a few have some sneaky potential.

getrichordie · Post #464 » by **getrichordie** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 9:28 pm

By the way, I’m a little higher on Hampton now. I actually have him as #2 on my big board now, behind Edwards. I believe I also have Vassell at #8 as well.

Note: Just wanted to let everyone know that I updated my big board in the “Mock Drafts” forum. I expanded it to include 30 players (1st round).

Will probably work on 2nd round later.

Please chime in and let me know what you guys think!

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

getrichordie wrote:By the way, I’m a little higher on Hampton now. I actually have him as #2 on my big board now, behind Edwards. I believe I also have Vassell at #8 as well.

Note: Just wanted to let everyone know that I updated my big board in the “Mock Drafts” forum. I expanded it to include 30 players (1st round).

Will probably work on 2nd round later.

Please chime in and let me know what you guys think!

RJ looks to me to be a Dante Exum/Elfrid Payton/Jordan Clarkson type. I don't have the love for him that some people do.

Catchall · Post #466 » by **Catchall** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 4:05 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:By the way, I’m a little higher on Hampton now. I actually have him as #2 on my big board now, behind Edwards. I believe I also have Vassell at #8 as well.

Note: Just wanted to let everyone know that I updated my big board in the “Mock Drafts” forum. I expanded it to include 30 players (1st round).

Will probably work on 2nd round later.

Please chime in and let me know what you guys think!

RJ looks to me to be a Dante Exum/Elfrid Payton/Jordan Clarkson type. I don't have the love for him that some people do.

RJ looks like what people hoped Dante Exum would become some day. He has a better handle and better scoring touch around the rim than Exum. I think he could potentially be a somewhat lesser version of John Wall.

HeadtopChunes · Post #467 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 5:08 am

Don't really see the Hampton love, what am I missing?

He's decently athletic with some skill, but appears to be a mediocre shooter and passer, decent defensively but nothing special.

His stats are quite bad on offense and New Zealand was significantly worse offensively when he was on the floor. (He has a 99ORTG, NZ was 115.5 overall on the season)

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

Catchall wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:By the way, I’m a little higher on Hampton now. I actually have him as #2 on my big board now, behind Edwards. I believe I also have Vassell at #8 as well.

Note: Just wanted to let everyone know that I updated my big board in the “Mock Drafts” forum. I expanded it to include 30 players (1st round).

Will probably work on 2nd round later.

Please chime in and let me know what you guys think!

RJ looks to me to be a Dante Exum/Elfrid Payton/Jordan Clarkson type. I don't have the love for him that some people do.

RJ looks like what people hoped Dante Exum would become some day. He has a better handle and better scoring touch around the rim than Exum. I think he could potentially be a somewhat lesser version of John Wall.

You think when Utah drafted Exum #5 they hoped he would become a level of player that puts up 9/2.5/4 on shooting splits of 42/30/68?

You think Utah thought prime Exum would be that? That's a silly opinion you have or you worded your reply wrong. Lots of people were crazy in love with Exum as a prospect (I liked him alot too.

Utah thought Exum had all star potential. Utah hoped Exum could be an all star in the NBA, not a 9/2.5/4 in the Australian league.

EMG518 · Post #469 » by **EMG518** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 6:31 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:Don't really see the Hampton love, what am I missing?

He's decently athletic )

This is what you are missing, he is lightning fast with good size/length. All things you can't teach. Like top percentile fast.

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

clyde21 wrote:^ no one is saying he's a bust

. That's a the draw. Low bust potential.

clyde21 wrote: and no one is claiming he has to be Anthony Davis,

Good. That would be a rediculously high standard to have for a top 3 pick in a draft that most people view as weak at the top.

clyde21 wrote:but if you're talking about a top 3 or top 5 CENTER in today's NBA...you HAVE to be a multi-level player, you just have to be

Who's saying he is going to be a top 3 or top 5 center in the NBA? If he can be on the Nurkic, Adams, Capella, Favors, Vuch, Drummond, Turner tier that would be excellent value for a top pick in what is percieved as a weak draft.

clyde21 wrote:and when the majority of his offense is gonna come on catching and put-backs, he needs ELITE hands, which I'm not sure he has at this point...
yea, nothing is set in stone, he's still super young with a lot of developement ahead,

Imo opinion you answered yourself there.

clyde21 wrote:but he's being graded as a top pick in the draft, these things matter

So Wiseman needs to be top 5 or 6 at his position and be a "multilevel" player, top be worthy of a top 5 pick? Well you have Scottie Lewis and RJ Hampton at the top of your board does the standard stay the same for them? Do they have to be top 5 at their position to be drafted top 5? You have to grade on a curve, Zion/Luka/Ayton aren't in this draft.

But I'm talking to a guy with RJ Hampton #1 and Scottie Lewis #4.

This is a lesson I learned last year, if you have a guy ranked higher than everyone else, you BETTER be right, because odds are, if your higher on him than everyone else you'll be the one to draft him. Last year I missed on my #7 ranked player, that means if I stay true to my big board, any pick after #9 (my last top 6 pick went #9) I would've missed.

If you have Anthony Bennet #1 on your big board and Giannis #2, you still end up with Anthony Bennet. If you have Kendall Marshall #12 on your big board and Draymond Green #13, it doesn't matter, because you end up picking Kendall Marshall.

Last year you had Bol Bol #2, that means if you stayed true to your big board your team would've 100% ended up with Bol Bol. I know your a proponent of trading down, but what if you can't trade down? Then do you pick Bol Bol #2? Or do you deviate from your big board? What's the point of having a player #2 on your big board if he's available a #2 and #1 goes #1, but you don't pick the player you ranked #2 at #2? You'll probably say "I would've traded down" what if you get bad offers to trade down? And are you really going to trade down more than 5 picks or so? What if somebody staels your #2 pick?

At the top of the draft you need to be 100% safe.

And just like the first sentence I quoted you in, "no one is saying Wiseman will bust" combine that with him being extremely athletic (for his massive size) him being the top ranked HS player in the country his senior year and him posted a 19/11 on 73% shooting and only in 20mpg, while player OVERALL extremely impressive defense (compared to other college players not compared to NBA veterans, although obviously we would expect him, like most top prospects to get more fundamental with age, and consistency on his fundamentals is his only real weakness defensively)

getrichordie · Post #471 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 6:58 am

EMG518 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:Don't really see the Hampton love, what am I missing?

He's decently athletic )

This is what you are missing, he is lightning fast with good size/length. All things you can't teach. Like top percentile fast.

This and due to a hip injury and I believe the coronavirus, he only got to play 15 games so a lot of his repertoire can’t be showcased. His speed is insane.

And for those who are referencing his numbers, he went from high school to the NBL and put 20 points in one of his first games.

Plus, he’s an extremely smart player, especially on defense. Watch the Mike Schmitz video.

clyde21 · Post #472 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 7:06 am

again, it's about archetype to me, I'm not taking a C in the top 5 that I don't see any evidence for that he can be one of the following:

1- multi level offensive player (KAT)
2- elite defender (Davis or Gobert)
3- elite playmaker (Jokic)
4- elite defense and offense (Embiid)

^ he doesn't qualify as any of these archetypes to me right now at the NBA level, much more in the Whiteside or Drummond level to me, and that's fine, you're not gonna hit a home run with every player obviously, but if I'm taking a player in the top5 I want him to fit a much more valuable archetype

like...why take Wiseman #1 overall when I can trade down to #10 or so and take Stewart or Onyeka? just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me in terms of value of the pick.

we've been thru this on Wiseman a million times already, so this will be my last response on this.

clyde21 · Post #473 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 7:22 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:By the way, I’m a little higher on Hampton now. I actually have him as #2 on my big board now, behind Edwards. I believe I also have Vassell at #8 as well.

Note: Just wanted to let everyone know that I updated my big board in the “Mock Drafts” forum. I expanded it to include 30 players (1st round).

Will probably work on 2nd round later.

Please chime in and let me know what you guys think!

RJ looks to me to be a Dante Exum/Elfrid Payton/Jordan Clarkson type. I don't have the love for him that some people do.

i can see Exum, don't see Payton or Clarkson

and Exum was a top 5 pick for a reason

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

clyde21 wrote:again, it's about archetype to me, I'm not taking a C in the top 5 that I don't see any evidence for that he can be one of the following:

1- multi level offensive player (KAT)
2- elite defender (Davis or Gobert)
3- elite playmaker (Jokic)
4- elite defense and offense (Embiid)

^ he doesn't qualify as any of these archetypes to me right now at the NBA level, much more in the Whiteside or Drummond level to me, and that's fine, you're not gonna hit a home run with every player obviously, but if I'm taking a player in the top5 I want him to fit a much more valuable archetype

like...why take Wiseman #1 overall when I can trade down to #10 or so and take Stewart or Onyeka? just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me in terms of value of the pick.

we've been thru this on Wiseman a million times already, so this will be my last response on this.

Why would you take Stewart or Onyeka #10?
-because your making a strawmans argument.

11
2
5
47
7
15
10
13
16
1 (Wiseman)
9
22
25

That is tankathons default mock draft projections for all the players you have rated above your #2 C (Isiah Stewart). That is 13 players, 9 of whom you have in higher tiers than your #2 Center (you have Stewart in at tier three).

So instead of picking your #1 prospect top 3 you trade down to draft slot #10 (expecting Wiseman to be gone) and you select your #14 or #15 prospect? Why not select one of the players from a higher tier? If Hampton was there you'd assuredly pick him, right?

When you trade down from #3 to #10 your #1 prospect (who is projected to go #11) could very reasonably be selected by that point am I wrong? Why would you dump a chance to pick up your #1 guy? Do you have little faith in your #1 guy? Then why is he your #1 if you would trade down from #3 to #10 to select your #14 guy instead?

I mean if your #1 guy is sitting on the board at #3 and you trade down to #10 knowing he's projected to be taken at #11 that's very risky. Trading down from #3 to #10 to slecet your #14 prospect just seems silly to me

I suppose you'll say with the second pick you get you could end up selecting one of your #4, #6, #9, #12 or #13 but that is assuming no other team is smart enough to pick them and it seems strange to me to pass on your #1 prospect at draft slot #3 in order to trade down and draft your #14 or #15 prospect at #10 and hope to get one of #4, #6, #9, #12 or #13 later. Like why not pick them with the pick? And it is STILL crazy you passed up your shot to get your #1 ranked prospect in order to draft your #14 or #15 ranked prospect.

You know that logic you used dosen't make sense. I can only assume it's because you, yourself don't believe in your big board.

I wouldn't of engaged you on this topic except for at the top of the previous page you used a "^" to subtweet me.

If we've had the discussion on the values of draft picks regarding or not regarding position then that means you've already read my opinion on the subject as well.

So you subtweet me to get your opinion on and then I quote your subtweet to explain myself again and then you say "we've already had this disscussion I'm done with it." Then why did you sub tweet me?

But, I am talking to a guy who will pass up his #1 ranked player who is projected to go #11 so he can trade down to #10 and draft his #15 ranked player.

Your reply showed me you are just talking out of your rear end and not thinking which is the part that is upsetting. You want to critique my thoughts on how I think the draft process should play out via a 'subtweet' I directly reply and you are done talking about a subject because we've "been over it a million times". If we've been over it "a million times" why did you feel the need to subtweet me when I wasn't even talking to you originally?

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

clyde21 wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:By the way, I’m a little higher on Hampton now. I actually have him as #2 on my big board now, behind Edwards. I believe I also have Vassell at #8 as well.

Note: Just wanted to let everyone know that I updated my big board in the “Mock Drafts” forum. I expanded it to include 30 players (1st round).

Will probably work on 2nd round later.

Please chime in and let me know what you guys think!

RJ looks to me to be a Dante Exum/Elfrid Payton/Jordan Clarkson type. I don't have the love for him that some people do.

i can see Exum, don't see Payton or Clarkson

and Exum was a top 5 pick for a reason

Hindsight tells us Exum being picked at #5 was obviously an awful pick.

I didn't say YOU see Payton or Clarkson. I said I see Exum/Elfrid/Clarkson.

getrichordie · Post #476 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 9:00 am

Spoiler:

TL;DR: Projecting to have above-average speed, lateral quickness, and agility for his size combined with an elite NBA-ready body gives Wiseman all the tools he needs to be a top-tier big in the league for years to come. He’s still on the raw side, but is only 19 and has time to work on footwork, etc. One thing is for certain, in my mind, he will be an elite rim protector.

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

clyde21 wrote:

I think your great at breaking news and I value your opinions. You can look at me having Scottie Lewis #9 on my current big board to atest to that. If you hadn't of been pumping him up for almost a calendar year then I'd probably still have him mid 20's or lower.

I'm not trying to be aggressive with you, but you subtweeted me and then when I responded directly you say your not having the conversation anymore.

Homey, don't talk at me if you don't want to talk to me.

The-Power · Post #478 » by **The-Power** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 9:01 am

EMG518 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:Don't really see the Hampton love, what am I missing?

He's decently athletic )

This is what you are missing, he is lightning fast with good size/length. All things you can't teach. Like top percentile fast.

Exactly. I understand being worried about how Hampton will look like in the NBA, how good he can be. But the part that makes him so intriguing is that he is not only fast but insanely fast, including with the ball in his hands. He's a blur. For him it is about developing his skills enough to be lethal with his ability to create dribble-drive penetration. And in this regard, there are reasons to be hopeful and reasons to be doubtful.

HeadtopChunes · Post #479 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 1:57 pm

The-Power wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:Don't really see the Hampton love, what am I missing?

He's decently athletic )

This is what you are missing, he is lightning fast with good size/length. All things you can't teach. Like top percentile fast.

Exactly. I understand being worried about how Hampton will look like in the NBA, how good he can be. But the part that makes him so intriguing is that he is not only fast but insanely fast, including with the ball in his hands. He's a blur. For him it is about developing his skills enough to be lethal with his ability to create dribble-drive penetration. And in this regard, there are reasons to be hopeful and reasons to be doubtful.

It seems like I was understating his quickness, not sold on his skill level though. Prefer Kira Lewis who's around similarly athletic but superior skill-wise imo.

HeadtopChunes · Post #480 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:13 pm

looks like scottie lewis is staying in school