Potential sleepers

[doordoor123]

I said this last year and I'll say it again, Metu from USC. He's starting to get the hang of it. Will be a first round pick by the end of the season. USC has like 5 guys that are NBA calibre.

[Ruzious]

Look out for Cam Oliver to potentially sneak into the lotto he's listed at 6'8 again this year, but he looks bigger. A+ athlete, reliable jumper, rebounds, and has improved his ball handling in the off season. Has stretches of good defense, but his issue is he is always in foul trouble.

I think this is going to turn out to be a real good call. He's downgraded for size and so-called low BBIQ (Did Javale McGee ruin it for Nevada players?), but this guy could develop into something special as he learns the game better. His quick jumping ability and aggression make up for his lack of size. Great athlete. He's been great at hitting the 3. His 4.4 blocks per 40 minutes won't translate to the NBA, but it gives a good idea about his athletic ability. The potential there is too good to last till the 2nd round, imo.

[Notanoob]

Earlier this thread I recommended SG Jeremy Morgan of Northern Iowa, and he just had a career-high 38 points to go with 11 rebounds, 2 assists and a steal. He leads his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks and is third in the country in steals. He is off to a fantastic start.

[jmnvcavs]

Look out for Cam Oliver to potentially sneak into the lotto he's listed at 6'8 again this year, but he looks bigger. A+ athlete, reliable jumper, rebounds, and has improved his ball handling in the off season. Has stretches of good defense, but his issue is he is always in foul trouble.

I think this is going to turn out to be a real good call. He's downgraded for size and so-called low BBIQ (Did Javale McGee ruin it for Nevada players?), but this guy could develop into something special as he learns the game better. His quick jumping ability and aggression make up for his lack of size. Great athlete. He's been great at hitting the 3. His 4.4 blocks per 40 minutes won't translate to the NBA, but it gives a good idea about his athletic ability. The potential there is too good to last till the 2nd round, imo.

He's coached by former NBA coach Eric Musselman so from the time he came in as a freshman to now things have improved with his discipline on defense, still needs work, but he can get there. His block numbers are pretty impressive due to the fact that he is playing mostly on the perimeter this season, and I don't know if Musselman told him he needs to play 3 at the next level, but from what he was showcasing last year to this year is completely different. He has taken a lot of jumpers this year which is okay because he shoots it pretty well from midrange and 3. To be completely honest I watched Mcgee play for Nevada and he is on a completely different level in terms of BBIQ (McGee is one of the most low IQ players I've ever seen). Cam has shown low IQ for times, but like I've said he has show more discipline this year than last year. If I had to make a comparison I'd say his game is similar to Serge Ibaka, but with Tristan Thompson size. The good news though is he has the athleticism to make up for size he gives up... (Which tbh I don't think he is that undersized for a 4... 6'9, 230) He also he funky mechanics on his jump shots, but a high release that he won't have an issue getting off at the next level IMO. His 6 rebounds per game isn't blowing anyone away, but if you want to see more of his rebounding potential look at his freshman season where he averaged 9 boards a game in 29min. (Also had a 25 rebound game his freshman season)

Nevada played Washington yesterday and he looked pretty good laterally on switch offs against Fultz / Crisp he can most likely defend 3s still. He can actually handle the ball a little bit this year (like he will dribble the ball down and put the ball on the floor at times and try to beat his man, he didn't do this last year.) BUT he still doesn't have good enough ball skills to play the 3. He has plenty of attributes/strength to play 4 (really broad shoulders) Still would like to see him around 240-245 in the NBA.

Funny thing is Markelle Fultz is a beast don't get me wrong, but he struggled against Nevada who has a pretty athletic team Lindsey Drew (who is Larry Drews son) He defended Fultz most the game and Drew is long 6'4 PG with really long arms and a pretty good athlete. Fultz still put up numbers, but to be honest he had a tough time in this game getting his shot off. He was blocked twice on jump shots by Lindsey Drew and 2-3 times at the rim by Oliver.

[Ruzious]

What about frosh De'Anthony Melton from USC? He's a 6'4 shooting guard with unusual per 40 numbers: 3.9 steals, 1.4 blocks, 8.9 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.3 to's.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Any love for Jo Lual Acuil Jr from Baylor?

He's 7'0" with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'5.5" standing reach at a SUPER LEAN 210 lbs (source: DX)

Right now, in 28 minutes he's averaging 9.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg and 4.4 blocks (PER40: 13.6/11.3/6.4)

[goober]

How do people here feel about Frank Jackson?

[doordoor123]

What about frosh De'Anthony Melton from USC? He's a 6'4 shooting guard with unusual per 40 numbers: 3.9 steals, 1.4 blocks, 8.9 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.3 to's.

He's a good defender, but more likely a prospect for next year. There are other guys on that team you should be noticing like Shaqquan Aaron, McLaughlin, Elijah Stewart, Bennie Boatwright and Metu. I can see any of them getting drafted.

[doordoor123]

Earlier this thread I recommended SG Jeremy Morgan of Northern Iowa, and he just had a career-high 38 points to go with 11 rebounds, 2 assists and a steal. He leads his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks and is third in the country in steals. He is off to a fantastic start.

Yeah, I saw that game. He looks like the real deal. Quick release, bouncy, quick, shifty. I'm going to keep an eye on him.

[doordoor123]

How do people here feel about Frank Jackson?

At best he's Cory Joseph.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Another guy is Ben Lammers from Georgia Tech: 15.8ppg, 10.8rpg, 4.6blk

He can also stretch it out to about 17-18 feet.

[CptCrunch]

How do people here feel about Frank Jackson?

A bit too small for SG. Play making a bit too weak for PG. Combo guards aren't exactly in high demand. All the comboguards these days are essentially playing as big point guards.

He'll probably use another year at Duke so his role/position/potential in the NBA is clearer (less risky for the NBA team next year). He'll surely get drafted even this year if he comes out. 18 year old, explosive athlete, decent passer, above average shooter.

[GimmeDat]

Any love for Jo Lual Acuil Jr from Baylor?

He's 7'0" with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'5.5" standing reach at a SUPER LEAN 210 lbs (source: DX)

Right now, in 28 minutes he's averaging 9.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg and 4.4 blocks (PER40: 13.6/11.3/6.4)

I'm rooting for this kid, he's Australian! Doing really well.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Any love for Jo Lual Acuil Jr from Baylor?

He's 7'0" with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'5.5" standing reach at a SUPER LEAN 210 lbs (source: DX)

Right now, in 28 minutes he's averaging 9.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg and 4.4 blocks (PER40: 13.6/11.3/6.4)

I'm rooting for this kid, he's Australian! Doing really well.

What's his deal? I looked him up and thought wow this guy seems like a HUGE sleeper, and then I couldn't find any previous year stats. Did he have to redshirt, was he a walk on? What happened the last couple of years? Because he's already 22.

[CptCrunch]

Any love for Jo Lual Acuil Jr from Baylor?

He's 7'0" with a 7'3" wingspan and a 9'5.5" standing reach at a SUPER LEAN 210 lbs (source: DX)

Right now, in 28 minutes he's averaging 9.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg and 4.4 blocks (PER40: 13.6/11.3/6.4)

I'm rooting for this kid, he's Australian! Doing really well.

What's his deal? I looked him up and thought wow this guy seems like a HUGE sleeper, and then I couldn't find any previous year stats. Did he have to redshirt, was he a walk on? What happened the last couple of years? Because he's already 22.

I'll pass regardless of his play/eye test.

1) 6th year in college.

2) Heart condition: http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/baylor-center-acuil-sidelined-weeks-with-potential-heart-issues/article_c1f44704-643b-5ef3-9529-16c45e634f8e.html

3) Born in South Sudan, prep in Australia. Basically every other Sudanese athlete from Australia has a fake age. Very likely to be older than 22.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'm rooting for this kid, he's Australian! Doing really well.

What's his deal? I looked him up and thought wow this guy seems like a HUGE sleeper, and then I couldn't find any previous year stats. Did he have to redshirt, was he a walk on? What happened the last couple of years? Because he's already 22.

I'll pass regardless of his play/eye test.

1) 6th year in college.

2) Heart condition: http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/baylor-center-acuil-sidelined-weeks-with-potential-heart-issues/article_c1f44704-643b-5ef3-9529-16c45e634f8e.html

3) Born in South Sudan, prep in Australia. Basically every other Sudanese athlete from Australia has a fake age. Very likely to be older than 22.

How is he in his 6th year when he's only 22? He was a freshman when he was 16?

And his heart condition may have been an issue but he wouldn't be cleared to play college ball if it wasn't a non-issue. The legal team of Baylor would have a heart condition if he was cleared falsely.

As for his age, that's listed as 22 and there's no reason to believe otherwise. He doesn't even look old. It's the same issue people had with Thon Maker, yet a professional franchise drafted him 10th overall. You can't just make up age issues because of what previous players have done. That's stereotyping at its finest.

[CptCrunch]

What's his deal? I looked him up and thought wow this guy seems like a HUGE sleeper, and then I couldn't find any previous year stats. Did he have to redshirt, was he a walk on? What happened the last couple of years? Because he's already 22.

I'll pass regardless of his play/eye test.

1) 6th year in college.

2) Heart condition: http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/baylor-center-acuil-sidelined-weeks-with-potential-heart-issues/article_c1f44704-643b-5ef3-9529-16c45e634f8e.html

3) Born in South Sudan, prep in Australia. Basically every other Sudanese athlete from Australia has a fake age. Very likely to be older than 22.

How is he in his 6th year when he's only 22? He was a freshman when he was 16?

And his heart condition may have been an issue but he wouldn't be cleared to play college ball if it wasn't a non-issue. The legal team of Baylor would have a heart condition if he was cleared falsely.

As for his age, that's listed as 22 and there's no reason to believe otherwise. He doesn't even look old. It's the same issue people had with Thon Maker, yet a professional franchise drafted him 10th overall. You can't just make up age issues because of what previous players have done. That's stereotyping at its finest.

Why are you questioning the 6th year thing. I'm not making up facts: http://www.ourdailybears.com/2016/9/23/13037570/baylor-basketball-s-jo-acuil-granted-additional-year-of-eligibility

He SAT out a season due to his heart condition. If a condition is serious enough to sideline you for a season, it is serious enough. I haven't found any public sources indicating the nature of the condition.

Thon Maker hasn't been doing crap in the league; he looks lost on both offense and defense. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to the fact that Thon is 23. If you do an ounce of research, you'll uncover the extent of the age fraud among Sudanese Australians. There are literally reports everywhere.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'll pass regardless of his play/eye test.

1) 6th year in college.

2) Heart condition: http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/baylor-center-acuil-sidelined-weeks-with-potential-heart-issues/article_c1f44704-643b-5ef3-9529-16c45e634f8e.html

3) Born in South Sudan, prep in Australia. Basically every other Sudanese athlete from Australia has a fake age. Very likely to be older than 22.

How is he in his 6th year when he's only 22? He was a freshman when he was 16?

And his heart condition may have been an issue but he wouldn't be cleared to play college ball if it wasn't a non-issue. The legal team of Baylor would have a heart condition if he was cleared falsely.

As for his age, that's listed as 22 and there's no reason to believe otherwise. He doesn't even look old. It's the same issue people had with Thon Maker, yet a professional franchise drafted him 10th overall. You can't just make up age issues because of what previous players have done. That's stereotyping at its finest.

Why are you questioning the 6th year thing. I'm not making up facts: http://www.ourdailybears.com/2016/9/23/13037570/baylor-basketball-s-jo-acuil-granted-additional-year-of-eligibility

He SAT out a season due to his heart condition. If a condition is serious enough to sideline you for a season, it is serious enough. I haven't found any public sources indicating the nature of the condition.

Thon Maker hasn't been doing crap in the league; he looks lost on both offense and defense. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to the fact that Thon is 23. If you do an ounce of research, you'll uncover the extent of the age fraud among Sudanese Australians. There are literally reports everywhere.

Your article proved you wrong. He was granted a 6th year, but this is not his 6th year.

And he sat out a year, but was cleared. You don't play with heart issues so sitting out a year is completely reasonable whether or not it's a big issue or not. The fact that he was cleared shows that it's completely fine now.

And Thon Maker hasn't been "doing crap in the league", he hasn't been given any minutes which is understandable playing behind Monroe, Henson and Teletovic. You don't just throw a guy as raw as Thon to the NBA wolves and ask him to dominate. It's called development. It takes time. As for Thon's age, that still hasn't been proven. If you do an ounce of research you'd see that an NBA franchise took him 10th overall in the 2016 draft despite those "reports everywhere". If he was proven to be 23 you can bet he wouldn't be picked 10th overall.

[CptCrunch]

How is he in his 6th year when he's only 22? He was a freshman when he was 16?

And his heart condition may have been an issue but he wouldn't be cleared to play college ball if it wasn't a non-issue. The legal team of Baylor would have a heart condition if he was cleared falsely.

As for his age, that's listed as 22 and there's no reason to believe otherwise. He doesn't even look old. It's the same issue people had with Thon Maker, yet a professional franchise drafted him 10th overall. You can't just make up age issues because of what previous players have done. That's stereotyping at its finest.

Why are you questioning the 6th year thing. I'm not making up facts: http://www.ourdailybears.com/2016/9/23/13037570/baylor-basketball-s-jo-acuil-granted-additional-year-of-eligibility

He SAT out a season due to his heart condition. If a condition is serious enough to sideline you for a season, it is serious enough. I haven't found any public sources indicating the nature of the condition.

Thon Maker hasn't been doing crap in the league; he looks lost on both offense and defense. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to the fact that Thon is 23. If you do an ounce of research, you'll uncover the extent of the age fraud among Sudanese Australians. There are literally reports everywhere.

Your article proved you wrong. He was granted a 6th year, but this is not his 6th year.

And he sat out a year, but was cleared. You don't play with heart issues so sitting out a year is completely reasonable whether or not it's a big issue or not. The fact that he was cleared shows that it's completely fine now.

And Thon Maker hasn't been "doing crap in the league", he hasn't been given any minutes which is understandable playing behind Monroe, Henson and Teletovic. You don't just throw a guy as raw as Thon to the NBA wolves and ask him to dominate. It's called development. It takes time. As for Thon's age, that still hasn't been proven. If you do an ounce of research you'd see that an NBA franchise took him 10th overall in the 2016 draft despite those "reports everywhere". If he was proven to be 23 you can bet he wouldn't be picked 10th overall.

6 year in college is 6 years of college. It doesn't matter if you sit on the bench recovering. You were in JUCO + college for 6 years.

Bucks likely did not know of the issues until after the draft. I can guarantee you that you have not seen any of the evidence pointing to Thon Maker's advanced age. Now, they are ignoring the issue as to not hurt their player's value. This is exactly what any rational actor would do in their situation.

You like to bring up the concept of development. How come a bonafide stud recruit is not even good enough to get more than 3 minutes a game? Busts happen all the time at all picks. You need to stop pretending that Thon is a guaranteed star. A 7 foot athletic, shot blocking phenom with unlimited potential dropping top #10 after being rated the #1/#2 high school player in his class, give me a break.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Why are you questioning the 6th year thing. I'm not making up facts: http://www.ourdailybears.com/2016/9/23/13037570/baylor-basketball-s-jo-acuil-granted-additional-year-of-eligibility

He SAT out a season due to his heart condition. If a condition is serious enough to sideline you for a season, it is serious enough. I haven't found any public sources indicating the nature of the condition.

Thon Maker hasn't been doing crap in the league; he looks lost on both offense and defense. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to the fact that Thon is 23. If you do an ounce of research, you'll uncover the extent of the age fraud among Sudanese Australians. There are literally reports everywhere.

Your article proved you wrong. He was granted a 6th year, but this is not his 6th year.

And he sat out a year, but was cleared. You don't play with heart issues so sitting out a year is completely reasonable whether or not it's a big issue or not. The fact that he was cleared shows that it's completely fine now.

And Thon Maker hasn't been "doing crap in the league", he hasn't been given any minutes which is understandable playing behind Monroe, Henson and Teletovic. You don't just throw a guy as raw as Thon to the NBA wolves and ask him to dominate. It's called development. It takes time. As for Thon's age, that still hasn't been proven. If you do an ounce of research you'd see that an NBA franchise took him 10th overall in the 2016 draft despite those "reports everywhere". If he was proven to be 23 you can bet he wouldn't be picked 10th overall.

6 year in college is 6 years of college. It doesn't matter if you sit on the bench recovering. You were in JUCO + college for 6 years.

Bucks likely did not know of the issues until after the draft. I can guarantee you that you have not seen any of the evidence pointing to Thon Maker's advanced age. Now, they are ignoring the issue as to not hurt their player's value. This is exactly what any rational actor would do in their situation.

You like to bring up the concept of development. How come a bonafide stud recruit is not even good enough to get more than 3 minutes a game? Busts happen all the time at all picks. You need to stop pretending that Thon is a guaranteed star. A 7 foot athletic, shot blocking phenom with unlimited potential dropping top #10 after being rated the #1/#2 high school player in his class, give me a break.

You guarantee me? Do I know you? My team was picking 9th, there was TONS of Thon Maker discussion in our draft threads so don't act like you know what I've researched. I saw everything up to those photo shopped high school photos you took as facts. It's not surprising to me that you speak this way though, because you talk about Thon as though you know more than a PROFESSIONAL NBA FRANCHISE did before they selected him. What a joke.

And please quote me where I said, or even implied, that Thon is a "guaranteed star". I said he hasn't done anything because he hasn't been given minutes and he's playing behind solid veterans. The Bucks are trying to make the playoffs. Throwing a raw 19 year old out there doesn't exactly help that cause (even though I don't expect you to understand why that is).