All Things Luka Doncic

[UcanUwill]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

[XTraderXL]

@pacersGM
The only thing you are basing your prediction on is that he is not an elite athlete so he cant be a great player in the NBA, only in Europe. I dont remember you ever mentioning anything else about his skills being elite. I am just waiting for you to say Atic has better playmaking ability and that he is a better passer hehe

My reasoning for saying his floor is a borderline all star is the comparison between him a Dragic who is/was just that a borderline all star. I used to play against Dragic as a prospect on a regular basis before he went to the NBA and the first time I saw him in a friendly game I told my teammate he will be special. He is a few years younger, he was 16 at the time but you could see he has something that nobody else playing that game had. It was not his athleticism, nor his shot but just that something you cant really define. When draft came up, I said I would pick him in the lottery and I was right in my assessment looking at how other players careers in that draft played out. He also achieved the status level I predicted more than 10 years ago.

I also watched Jokic at the FIBA Worlds U19 in Prague in 2013. I watched every game live in the arena and the guy was not the best player on that Serbian team, he was soft as a pillow, couldnt dunk, looked like he has no stamina but his talent was shining through. I also said to myself he could end up a very good NBA player and 4 years later he is one of the best centers in the NBA.

With Doncic I see even more than that. He has the it factor, he has all the skills Jokic and Dragic had and most of those skills are more polished. His natural talent is immense, his body will be NBA ready when he enters the league, he is not injury prone (missed one game last season)... He is on a higher level as a prospect as Dragic so I dont see why he could not be a perennial all star. It doesnt mean it will happen but I think it is pretty likely. Maybe he is not flashy enough and wont be dunking over 3 players from the free throw line and putting up 60 in a game and that might be the reason why he will not be voted in to ASG but he is too valuable to any team he plays on that the coaches wouldnt pick him. He doesn literally everything you want from a player like him, opens up opportunities for his team mates, rebounds and scores and thats more than you can say for 80% of the league. And another thing. If you read his measurements you would see he is way above average physically for his position compared to NBA players.

[pacersGM]

I never said dragic is a legend i only said dragic is best suited for the nba game wich means he achieved waay more on the highest level of basketball ( the nba still) then spanoulis papaloukas diamantidis jasikevicius teodosic ... so you are trying to twist and add some pepper to my words. But i wont let that happen

You also wont bringe me into a race between dragic and doncic at the eurobasket wich you kinda set as your measuring stats stick again. See i dont like to look at the numbers but watch the player actualy perform. And i dont see doncic a franchise nba player happening ever. Never. A legend on a rich euroleague club/ shure why not.

For you to state im pathetic by holding my grounds, thats on you, that are your problems.

Dont worry, you wont have to wait for doncics prime in 10 years to figure out what he means in the nba. People with a feel for the game will be able to tell a few years earlier

[pacersGM]

@pacersGM
The only thing you are basing your prediction on is that he is not an elite athlete so he cant be a great player in the NBA, only in Europe. I dont remember you ever mentioning anything else about his skills being elite. I am just waiting for you to say Atic has better playmaking ability and that he is a better passer hehe

My reasoning for saying his floor is a borderline all star is the comparison between him a Dragic who is/was just that a borderline all star. I used to play against Dragic as a prospect on a regular basis before he went to the NBA and the first time I saw him in a friendly game I told my teammate he will be special. He is a few years younger, he was 16 at the time but you could see he has something that nobody else playing that game had. It was not his athleticism, nor his shot but just that something you cant really define. When draft came up, I said I would pick him in the lottery and I was right in my assessment looking at how other players careers in that draft played out. He also achieved the status level I predicted more than 10 years ago.

I also watched Jokic at the FIBA Worlds U19 in Prague in 2013. I watched every game live in the arena and the guy was not the best player on that Serbian team, he was soft as a pillow, couldnt dunk, looked like he has no stamina but his talent was shining through. I also said to myself he could end up a very good NBA player and 4 years later he is one of the best centers in the NBA.

With Doncic I see even more than that. He has the it factor, he has all the skills Jokic and Dragic had and most of those skills are more polished. His natural talent is immense, his body will be NBA ready when he enters the league, he is not injury prone (missed one game last season)... He is on a higher level as a prospect as Dragic so I dont see why he could not be a perennial all star. It doesnt mean it will happen but I think it is pretty likely. Maybe he is not flashy enough and wont be dunking over 3 players from the free throw line and putting up 60 in a game and that might be the reason why he will not be voted in to ASG but he is too valuable to any team he plays on that the coaches wouldnt pick him. He doesn literally everything you want from a player like him, opens up opportunities for his team mates, rebounds and scores and thats more than you can say for 80% of the league. And another thing. If you read his measurements you would see he is way above average physically for his position compared to NBA players.

Who the f... is Atic? is that somekind of 20-25 mpg follow up?

[XTraderXL]

Again, you apparently read my post and I still havent given one argument on why Doncic can not be an all star. The only thing you keep mentioning is his athleticism.

And if you dont get the joke about Atic, thats on you. I wonder which NBA team you work for if you are such a good evaluator of talent LOL

And BTW, how pathetic your life must be that you register on RealGM 5 months ago only to come to Doncic thread and post 120 comments about how he will be an avg NBA player and how he doesnt have the tools to make it as an all star? Mate, you havent posted a single comment in any other threads, all your posts are about Doncic. I think you might have a problem on your hands if you are so obsessed with him. I dont go around and post about players I dont like but you on the other hand cant seem to let it go. If I was a psychiatrist, I would tell you what the clinical term for your behaviour is but since I am not, I will not do that. Sad, very sad indeed

Now I am done with you

[Bob8]

I never said dragic is a legend i only said dragic is best suited for the nba game wich means he achieved waay more on the highest level of basketball ( the nba still) then spanoulis papaloukas diamantidis jasikevicius teodosic ... so you are trying to twist and add some pepper to my words. But i wont let that happen

You also wont bringe me into a race between dragic and doncic at the eurobasket wich you kinda set as your measuring stats stick again. See i dont like to look at the numbers but watch the player actualy perform. And i dont see doncic a franchise nba player happening ever. Never. A legend on a rich euroleague club/ shure why not.

For you to state im pathetic by holding my grounds, thats on you, that are your problems.

Dont worry, you wont have to wait for doncics prime in 10 years to figure out what he means in the nba. People with a feel for the game will be able to tell a few years earlier

You can guess 3 times who has written,

"so for the guy ranking dragic below teodosic, spanoulis, diamantidis, and lull?! are you normal man? and BEST players doesnt mean player with most WINS or TITLES. if that was the case, we are having robert horry walking along MJ and non sense like that.

so lull, diamantidis and such can polish dragics shoes for what its worth. "



I have to say it will be quite strange if such a player, in his prime, wouldn't dominate Eurobasket, where won't be Llull, Teo, Spanoulis...Not believing that he will be better than 18 years old kid, who's not even good prospect, it's not respectful to Dragic in first place.

[Bob8]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

I said he's pathetic, because he won't except clear comparison between 2 players in the same competition, same team and similar position. One playing in the Nba the best basketball in his career and other is 18 years old kid. Since when best players in the world are not better than young prospects in Fiba competition? Is someone scared of kids?;) If we can't compare players in the same competition and saying anybody who plays in Nba is by default better, why we would even have conversations? Even if Doncic will be Mvp and Dragic the worst player in Eurobasket it won't mean a ****. But believe me if Doncic will suck, the same people will jump on him.

[UcanUwill]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

I said he's pathetic, because he won't except clear comparison between 2 players in the same competition, same team and similar position. One playing in the Nba the best basketball in his career and other is 18 years old kid. Since when best players in the world are not better than young prospects in Fiba competition? Is someone scared of kids?;) If we can't compare players in the same competition and saying anybody who plays in Nba is by default better, why we would even have conversations? Even if Doncic will be Mvp and Dragic the worst player in Eurobasket it won't mean a ****. But believe me if Doncic will suck, the same people will jump on him.

Well, to be fair, Dragic is a very proven player. even if he has bad tournament, his sample size of success is much greater. And even if Doncic Is a better FIBA player than Dragic, that doesn't mean he is bettter NBA player.

[SportsGuy8]

Yeah, penetrating guards were made for today's NBA and Dragic is one of the best. He's simply one of the best NBA guards Europe has produced, ahead of everyone besides Drazen and Parker, unless I'm missing someone (Marciulionis probably suffered a bit because of anti-Euro stigma at the time).

His game is simply totally suited for today's NBA, not so much for FIBA where it's harder to penetrate.

[Bob8]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

I said he's pathetic, because he won't except clear comparison between 2 players in the same competition, same team and similar position. One playing in the Nba the best basketball in his career and other is 18 years old kid. Since when best players in the world are not better than young prospects in Fiba competition? Is someone scared of kids?;) If we can't compare players in the same competition and saying anybody who plays in Nba is by default better, why we would even have conversations? Even if Doncic will be Mvp and Dragic the worst player in Eurobasket it won't mean a ****. But believe me if Doncic will suck, the same people will jump on him.

Well, to be fair, Dragic is a very proven player. even if he has bad tournament, his sample size of success is much greater. And even if Doncic Is a better FIBA player than Dragic, that doesn't mean he is bettter NBA player.

To be fair Doncic is 18 years old and it's not normal that kids are better in any tournament than top Nba players. Normally great prospects, like Ntilikina don't even participate in this kind of tournaments because they're simply not good enough. But I expected something like that, if Doncic plays good, it's not important, if he will have bad tournament everybody will doubt about his potential. Maybe we can look what Dragic did, when he was 18, maybe he played in great Euroleague club and National team too?

[SportsGuy8]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

This is exactly why we can't have nice things (in this case Doncic threads).

I'm a big Doncic "homer" and even I admit that hyperbole is ridiculous on BOTH sides of the argument. As I said before, it mostly comes down to the core FIBA vs. NBA (and Euroleague vs. NBA) debate that's been going on on these boards for more than a DECADE (seriously ). And Doncic, due to his characteristics (extremely skilled but athletically somewhat questionable player), brings that debate to front like nothing else. Americans tend to underrate FIBA and European basketball, while Europeans tend to underrate NBA and think it's just some stupid circus show with the basis of making monies ...

It's never going to end ...

[BoardCrusher]

if Papaloukas was an above average athlete during his 20s like you stated - that must have worn off really fast, since i havent seen him dunk or not run awkward in the last 10 years when i watched (yes i watched) him play euroleague basketball. please man. you can fool someone who was not around yesterday but not me. if papaloukas was ever - EVER in an nba scouts player report with the line: ABOVE AVERAGE ATHLETE, then im done with life in general now i am waiting on a youtube clip of him dunking to prove me wrong (similar to the 19.9 minutes per game thesis) oh, you said HE WAS A FREAK ATHLETE in his mid 20s. thats even better

Papaloukas may not be an above average athelte, but anyone without some typing disability can find videos of him dunking.

Watch on YouTube

and theres many others


Youve said countless time Doncic wont make it in NBA, thats fine, now **** off, and be done with life in general.

[Bob8]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

This is exactly why we can't have nice things (in this case Doncic threads).

I'm a big Doncic "homer" and even I admit that hyperbole is ridiculous on BOTH sides of the argument. As I said before, it mostly comes down to the core FIBA vs. NBA (and Euroleague vs. NBA) debate that's been going on on these boards for more than a DECADE (seriously ). And Doncic, due to his characteristics (extremely skilled but athletically somewhat questionable player), brings that debate to front like nothing else. Americans tend to underrate FIBA and European basketball, while Europeans tend to underrate NBA and think it's just some stupid circus show with the basis of making monies ...

It's never going to end ...

In theory you're right. But in this case you're not. If Americans are right Dragic should dominate in Eurobasket against unathletic scrubs. But if he can't, because he can't penetrate and finish at the rim like in Nba, because Fiba rules make this very difficult, how the hell can the same Americans expect that from 18 years old kid in Euroleague? I'm pretty sure Doncic will score, like Dragic, more easily in Nba. And believe me if Porter was from Europe, he would have looked totally different player and vice versa Doncic would have looked totally different (much better) in high school.

[pacersGM]

Since at least two posters made very reasonable statements on the last page ( its not hard to figure out who the reasonable ones were) i will let it be for a while.

And not because the others on the lower end of the intelect ladder, who said i should f... of for having an opinion

To the guy who said i only registred here cause im a doncic hater. Well im one boig hater for projecting him as an future euroleage legend or a solid nba player. I am really the worst

And to boardcrusher: you didnt really post a papaloukas dunk video for me, to prove he was on the athletic side awesome!

And that comes from the guy who says he played agains a prospect dragic and didnt find him to be athletic at all awesome again

Have fun guys. Enjoy the remaining practice games left

[SportsGuy8]

So when it comes to comparing Doncic to other prospects, level of competition and the fact Doncic plays against much better players is extremely important, to the point we discredit everything other propsects do. But when we compare Dragic to Euros like Diamantidis, the fact that Dragic made a very successful career playing against far better competition, best competition in the world in NBA, that doesn't matter... No relatively garbage Euro leagues mean all? NBA sample size is far larger than some FIBA games, but whatever, glorify Euroleague stars to the point its hilarious, and call other posters pathetic while doing it. This is just getting sad.

This is exactly why we can't have nice things (in this case Doncic threads).

I'm a big Doncic "homer" and even I admit that hyperbole is ridiculous on BOTH sides of the argument. As I said before, it mostly comes down to the core FIBA vs. NBA (and Euroleague vs. NBA) debate that's been going on on these boards for more than a DECADE (seriously ). And Doncic, due to his characteristics (extremely skilled but athletically somewhat questionable player), brings that debate to front like nothing else. Americans tend to underrate FIBA and European basketball, while Europeans tend to underrate NBA and think it's just some stupid circus show with the basis of making monies ...

It's never going to end ...

In theory you're right. But in this case you're not. If Americans are right Dragic should dominate in Eurobasket against unathletic scrubs. But if he can't, because he can't penetrate and finish at the rim like in Nba, because Fiba rules make this very difficult, how the hell can the same Americans expect that from 18 years old kid in Euroleague? I'm pretty sure Doncic will score, like Dragic, more easily in Nba. And believe me if Porter was from Europe, he would have looked totally different player and vice versa Doncic would have looked totally different (much better) in high school.

I've mentioned several times before how I think penetrating is going to be easier for Doncic in the NBA, opening up his game even further. I also agree about even the best 18-year-old American prospects would most likely struggle to even see minutes for European powerhouses like Real Madrid ...

But that still doesn't mean you aren't using a hyperbole in your arguments a whole lot ...

[XTraderXL]

Since at least two posters made very reasonable statements on the last page ( its not hard to figure out who the reasonable ones were) i will let it be for a while.

And not because the others on the lower end of the intelect ladder, who said i should f... of for having an opinion

To the guy who said i only registred here cause im a doncic hater. Well im one boig hater for projecting him as an future euroleage legend or a solid nba player. I am really the worst

And to boardcrusher: you didnt really post a papaloukas dunk video for me, to prove he was on the athletic side awesome!

And that comes from the guy who says he played agains a prospect dragic and didnt find him to be athletic at all awesome again

Have fun guys. Enjoy the remaining practice games left

You must be high. Where did I say he was not athletic? Show me exactly when I ever said that I bet you will not reply to this post because you really messed up this time hahah.
Dragic wasnt a freak athlete but he was plenty athletic. I was just trying to point out that I saw his potential based on other things and not just because he was athletic. There are many athletic players even in Europe but they dont have the talent. You seem to think that athleticism is the only thing that can make a great player, no matter how much talent he actually has. Athleticism or lack there of is actually the only thing you are pointing out about Doncic. I see you really have trouble even understanding what people are trying to tell you. You also dont post your opinions because you think they are facts. Anyway, you proved your posts are worth 0 as you are not able to comprehend the basics. You have proven it time and time again. Talking about IQ LOL

[pacersGM]

dude, i really dont have time to search through your post. That would be really pathetic but i do remember a dumb post when i see one. In the locked post you dreamt how average dragic seemed when you played against him ( probably when he was 16 and you were 29 , but anyways, you wrote how he didnt stand out as an athlete ) now you can go search for it if you have the time for it

And just to be shure: are you the guy who said that doncics floor was an borderline all star? im just making shure i got the right guy legend

[XTraderXL]

Yes, I did say he didnt stand out as an athlete at 18. I played against him and I know exactly what I saw an experienced. I am a few years older than him but not even close to 10, actually its less than half that. First time I played against him was when he was 16 and back then he was skinny, weak and looked unathletic but he showed a lot of talent and thats why I was sure he will be a great player.

As for predictions, I dont understand how you feel you can laugh at them. If I am wrong, you will have time to do that in a few years but right now nobody knows how he will turn out in the NBA. If you think you do, it just shows what an arrogant prick you are. Being a top 30 player in the NBA in his prime is not really something that is not possible as you seem to think.

I really hope you will still be here in a few years but I guess you will be long gone by then. After all, you are so smart and know so much that you will probably be at least a GM in the NBA in the next year or two. I think Riley will retire pretty soon so you should apply for the job, I am certain you will get it with your ability to predict basketball future and all HAHAHAHAHAH

See you around boy))

[pacersGM]

Yes, I did say he didnt stand out as an athlete at 18. I played against him and I know exactly what I saw an experienced. I am a few years older than him but not even close to 10, actually its less than half that. First time I played against him was when he was 16 and back then he was skinny, weak and looked unathletic but he showed a lot of talent and thats why I was sure he will be a great player.

As for predictions, I dont understand how you feel you can laugh at them. If I am wrong, you will have time to do that in a few years but right now nobody knows how he will turn out in the NBA. If you think you do, it just shows what an arrogant prick you are. Being a top 30 player in the NBA in his prime is not really something that is not possible as you seem to think.

I really hope you will still be here in a few years but I guess you will be long gone by then. After all, you are so smart and know so much that you will probably be at least a GM in the NBA in the next year or two. I think Riley will retire pretty soon so you should apply for the job, I am certain you will get it with your ability to predict basketball future and all HAHAHAHAHAH

See you around boy))

So what was dragic then at 18? Not athletic or PLENTY ATHLETIC like you said 2 posts above? Make up your mind man.

And dont call me a boy since you are younger then me.

I will be around in a few years. Dont worry, i wouldnt want to miss this. But from what i just saw you will forget every prediction you made about doncic if he wont pann out a superstar who said that? Me? Hm dont remember your awesome man

[XTraderXL]

Boy, I dont care if you are older if you act like a child. I wont even talk about Dragic anymore since you clearly dont understand what I was trying to tell you. Not worth the time.

I also never said Doncic will be a superstar. If he is a top 30 player in the league, I dont consider that a superstar. In my opinion there are only 6 superstars in the league today and thats it. Again being a borderline all star doesnt make you a superstar except if you think Dragic is one. If he is, then I am 100% Doncic will be one as well.

Now calm down boy, the fun time is over and you need to go to bed;-)