2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

CptCrunch · Post #481 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:00 am

Roger Murdock wrote:What do y’all think the Pelicans will do? I think they are wildcards here. With Lewis/NAW/Hayes all showing potential but none being good yet and all being question marks I could see them getting desperate and making a safe play like Mitchell or Kispert. I think it’s dumb to turn to a rookie when you need to win now.

Also looking at the board I think the BPA guys don’t seem like the best fits. Most of the top end talents will either be backups behind Zion or Ingram long term.

They need spacing and defense which makes me think Mitchell is most likely. I’d consider Garuba here I think but would hope for a 2 like Moody

Pelicans should draft the BPA. Either Hayes nor NAW is good enough to draft around. May just maybe the braintrust should not pick a PF because Zion is going to be eating most of those minutes. But I wouldn't feel too bad if they drafted a PF in Sengun.

But I do see the Pelicans panicking and making a dumb pick like Davion, who is not first round talent. The whole fanbase and likely front office is set on this idea of treadmill contention, dreaming of the likes of a Kyle Lowry trade.

mademan · Post #482 » by **mademan** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:23 pm

If im the Pel's, i just take Keon Johnson and bet on absolutely ridiculous athleticism coupled with intensity. Dude should be one of the best defenders at the guard spot in this league with high offensive upside. If you want a safer pick, take Moody who will slot in right beside Ingram/Zion and be a seamless fit

NirvanaFC · Post #483 » by **NirvanaFC** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:21 pm

mademan wrote:If im the Pel's, i just take Keon Johnson and bet on absolutely ridiculous athleticism coupled with intensity. Dude should be one of the best defenders at the guard spot in this league with high offensive upside. If you want a safer pick, take Moody who will slot in right beside Ingram/Zion and be a seamless fit

You already got Zion and Ingram, you don't need star upside. You need elite role player upside.

mademan · Post #484 » by **mademan** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:36 pm

NirvanaFC wrote:
mademan wrote:If im the Pel's, i just take Keon Johnson and bet on absolutely ridiculous athleticism coupled with intensity. Dude should be one of the best defenders at the guard spot in this league with high offensive upside. If you want a safer pick, take Moody who will slot in right beside Ingram/Zion and be a seamless fit

You already got Zion and Ingram, you don't need star upside. You need elite role player upside.

You dont say no to star upside. Especially for Ingram. Im not sure Ingram should even be a long term piece beside Zion, unless he shows more of an all around game next year, especially on the defensive side.

clyde21 · Post #485 » by **clyde21** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:00 am

completely forgot about this guy but Kyree Walker working out for Wizards tomorrow

Post #486 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:10 am

clyde21 wrote:completely forgot about this guy but Kyree Walker working out for Wizards tomorrow

Wow. Talk about a blast from the past

DCasey91 · Post #487 » by **DCasey91** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:33 am

Actually Keon with Zion and Ingram has a nice setup going for it. Figure out what to do with Ball. They have NAW anyway.

Keon is a swing pick but he does remind me of Latrell.

DCasey91 · Post #488 » by **DCasey91** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:36 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Barnes has solid mechanics. He's just as likely to follow Kawhi's progression as a shooter as he is Simmons. In fact, based on what they did at the collegiate level in terms of shooting, Barnes more closely resembles Kawhi. I'm not saying he will become as good a shooter as Kawhi because Kawhi's improvement is almost as crazy as Simmons lack of improvement in that area.

Barnes does not have solid mechanics.

God Squad · Post #489 » by **God Squad** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:15 am

DCasey91 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:Barnes has solid mechanics. He's just as likely to follow Kawhi's progression as a shooter as he is Simmons. In fact, based on what they did at the collegiate level in terms of shooting, Barnes more closely resembles Kawhi. I'm not saying he will become as good a shooter as Kawhi because Kawhi's improvement is almost as crazy as Simmons lack of improvement in that area.

Barnes does not have solid mechanics.

Chances of him following "Kawhis progression as a shooter" is slim to none. You're more likely to end up with Josh Jackson, Stanley Johnson, MKG and so forth. Barnes has a good floor as a defender/passer but the gap to his ceiling is tough task and the stats don't bold well imo (3pt%/FT%).

rolling_91 · Post #490 » by **rolling_91** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:16 pm

Repost. Posted this in the Raptors forum by mistake.

Some thoughts on the 4 teams at the top of the draft.

Like critics say, Cunningham's lack of explosiveness is something you wonder about. It's the reason I don't think Jason Tatum is a superstar. But Cunningham is a true point to me. You can initiate offense with him from all 3 levels. I just wonder how good a scorer he will be. The Pistons will finally have a true foundation to build on with him Grant and Hayes. I will watch.

Who doesn't love a guy who can get buckets like Jalen Green? I don't know though. How can you pass on a unicorn like Evan Mobley? It's almost unfortunate that the Rockets already have a promising big in Wood. The Rockets are so early in their rebuild that it would make sense to take Mobley and try to develop him like Giannis. Green makes them a run and gun crew without a real plan.

The Cavs really lucked out with a top 3 pick. Either take Mobley and pair him with Nance and/or Allen. Or take Green and pair him with Garland for a really talented back court. I can't imagine a more athletic and versatile front line than Mobley and Nance. That would be very interesting to watch. Then they could sign and trade Allen maybe with Sexton for a scoring wing.

Jalen Suggs seems like a great fit for Toronto. You could pair him with Van Fleet and set your back court for the future. But Suggs leaves me wanting. He reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd. Playmaker, leader, but not a bucket getter. I don't see the comparison to a wing like Brandon Roy (not even half as good as Roy). Suggs is a point guard, you have to put the ball in his hands. The Raptors need a great offensive player to set that roster. They really need Jalen Green.

Big J · Post #491 » by **Big J** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:16 pm

Can someone tell me what I'm missing with Ziare? I've been digesting all of his Stanford footage and he doesn't even look like an NBA player to me. He's like a homeless man's Cam Reddish.

jezzerinho · Post #492 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:22 pm

Big J wrote:Can someone tell me what I'm missing with Ziare? I've been digesting all of his Stanford footage and he doesn't even look like an NBA player to me. He's like a homeless man's Cam Reddish.

That was my impression too.

Post #493 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:30 pm

I like Ziare but he's definitely a project. i like the jumper and the effort on defense (still not the greatest at it but he tries and that part can be worked with). That handle super shaky for most advancement moves and not enough rocks in the pocket to move anyone on a drive. Hopefully he lands on a team willing to give time and space to develop but yeah right now he's looking like a kid that might have to settle into the "how can i help" mindset and just do a job to keep a job.

Hal14 · Post #494 » by **Hal14** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:51 pm

NirvanaFC wrote:
mademan wrote:If im the Pel's, i just take Keon Johnson and bet on absolutely ridiculous athleticism coupled with intensity. Dude should be one of the best defenders at the guard spot in this league with high offensive upside. If you want a safer pick, take Moody who will slot in right beside Ingram/Zion and be a seamless fit

You already got Zion and Ingram, you don't need star upside. You need elite role player upside.

1) Most of the teams who have won the title in the last 10 yrs had 3 stars, not 2
2) Zion's family members are telling people he wants out. There's also trade rumors involving Ingram. So it's no guarantee that the 2 of them will be in New Orleans long term..

Upperclass · Post #495 » by **Upperclass** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 am

I think Pelicans are taking Davion if hes on the board

Big J · Post #496 » by **Big J** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:15 pm

I keep going back and forth with Davion. People keep bringing up his measurements, but Kyle Lowry had terrible length and he's been great. The age thing can actually be a positive because he'll be old as **** and still on a rookie deal.

BostonCouchGM · Post #497 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:08 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Barnes has solid mechanics. He's just as likely to follow Kawhi's progression as a shooter as he is Simmons. In fact, based on what they did at the collegiate level in terms of shooting, Barnes more closely resembles Kawhi. I'm not saying he will become as good a shooter as Kawhi because Kawhi's improvement is almost as crazy as Simmons lack of improvement in that area.

This is one of the most regurgitated false narratives out there. Kawhi didn’t shoot a whole bunch in college, worked on his form and put in reps before his rookie season and has been the exact same shooter from jump until now. There was no progression. I seriously doubt Barnes has the work ethic to duplicate this. All you can hope is that he does steadily improve because if he does, he has best in draft potential

Catchall · Post #498 » by **Catchall** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:18 am

I keep seeing Filip Petrusev in the late 2nd round of mock drafts. Maybe you believe in the potential of Isaiah Todd, but Petrusev is twice the player Isaiah Todd is right now.

Big J · Post #499 » by **Big J** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:21 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:Barnes has solid mechanics. He's just as likely to follow Kawhi's progression as a shooter as he is Simmons. In fact, based on what they did at the collegiate level in terms of shooting, Barnes more closely resembles Kawhi. I'm not saying he will become as good a shooter as Kawhi because Kawhi's improvement is almost as crazy as Simmons lack of improvement in that area.

This is one of the most regurgitated false narratives out there. Kawhi didn’t shoot a whole bunch in college, worked on his form and put in reps before his rookie season and has been the exact same shooter from jump until now. There was no progression. I seriously doubt Barnes has the work ethic to duplicate this. All you can hope is that he does steadily improve because if he does, he has best in draft potential

What about Pippen's progression as a shooter? He was pretty bad early on in his career and became solid later on. Barnes has a similar physical profile and traits, so maybe the shot can comp as well? K Malone also started his career as a pretty poor shooter especially from the line and improved it over time.

crows2 · Post #500 » by **crows2** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:38 pm

mademan wrote:
NirvanaFC wrote:
mademan wrote:If im the Pel's, i just take Keon Johnson and bet on absolutely ridiculous athleticism coupled with intensity. Dude should be one of the best defenders at the guard spot in this league with high offensive upside. If you want a safer pick, take Moody who will slot in right beside Ingram/Zion and be a seamless fit

You already got Zion and Ingram, you don't need star upside. You need elite role player upside.

You dont say no to star upside.

That's a ridiculous take. There are plenty of reasons for certain teams to take the safer option over a guy who has about a 1% chance of turning into a star. The Pels should be looking at how the Bucks have built their roster and game style around Giannis - shooting, defense and role players. If they can do that (although I question the organisation's capabilities), they'll be a regular playoff team. If they take Keon, he's probably going to be a negative impact on-court player for at least the first few years, and if he flames out completely they're back to square one.