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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#481 » by reanimator » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:49 am

The Moose wrote:I still like Miller and I think he's earned a top 3 spot, but I'll be interested to see how he does in the tournament. His numbers have been considerably different against top 50 teams, and I assume he'll play a few in the next couple of games.

Overall season (33 games) : 11.9 BPM , 61% TS, 12% AST, 1.5 STLR, 52% 2pt, 40% 3pt, 121 ORTG

Against top 50 teams (16 games): 6.7 BPM, 53% TS, 9.6 AST, 0.9 STLR, 42% 2pt, 34% 3pt, 106 ORTG


Would you have the updated numbers after tonights game?
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#482 » by azcatz11 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:58 am

Sorry I wouldn’t draft him top 10. All he does is take 3s and he can’t effect the game in any other way
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#483 » by BostonCouchGM » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:58 am

Might be the biggest choke job I’ve ever seen from a supposed top prospect. His draft stock took a major hit in my eyes. I think I and others may have been a tad bit generous and presumptuous with him because he produced all year against inferior competition. I’m struggling to see what role he’ll have that will make him special at the next level. I do this every year. I overrate long wings and every time they get into the league they’re afterthoughts. Well, that stops now
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#484 » by neo515 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:03 am

3/19 FG and 1/10 from 3 with 6 turnovers. Ouch. This may be the worst ever tournament showing from a supposed top-2/3 pick.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#485 » by The Moose » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:06 am

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The Moose wrote:I still like Miller and I think he's earned a top 3 spot, but I'll be interested to see how he does in the tournament. His numbers have been considerably different against top 50 teams, and I assume he'll play a few in the next couple of games.

Overall season (33 games) : 11.9 BPM , 61% TS, 12% AST, 1.5 STLR, 52% 2pt, 40% 3pt, 121 ORTG

Against top 50 teams (16 games): 6.7 BPM, 53% TS, 9.6 AST, 0.9 STLR, 42% 2pt, 34% 3pt, 106 ORTG


Would you have the updated numbers after tonights game?


not sure about some of the more advanced box score numbers, but after these last 2 games, (so 19 total games)

he finished at 38.4% 2pt, 31.9% 3pt, 51% TS against top 50 teams
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#486 » by Braggins » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:14 am

neo515 wrote:3/19 FG and 1/10 from 3 with 6 turnovers. Ouch. This may be the worst ever tournament showing from a supposed top-2/3 pick.

I can't believe someone made a burner account on realgm with a Terry A. Davis avatar lol.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#487 » by The-Power » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:20 am

It's obvious that people will now overreact to a poor stretch of games (or those who never bought him as an elite prospect will see this as a good opportunity) but I'll just say that we have seen enough of him against legit competition to know what his strengths and weaknesses are. You can be high or low on him (all fair enough) but anyone who dramatically alters their big board after a couple of games is not doing genuine analysis and evaluation but knee-jerk punditry.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#488 » by Big J » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:24 am

You guys do realize that he's playing hurt right? He easily could have "shut it down" and pussed out, but he manned up and played. Shows more about his competitiveness than anything.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#489 » by reanimator » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:27 am

Characterizing a year long pattern vs top 50 teams, top 40 defense as a poor stretch and an opportunity for detractors is a bit dismissive.

Scoot's stock was in question for a much lesser slump/pattern.

That said, I still have him 3rd but some of the hyperbole that had gained momentum in this thread hopefully becomes more grounded.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#490 » by reanimator » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:30 am

Big J wrote:You guys do realize that he's playing hurt right? He easily could have "shut it down" and pussed out, but he manned up and played. Shows more about his competitiveness than anything.


What about in the non conference when he struggled against good defensive teams like Houston and UCONN?

He shot 29/80 in the 5 games preceding the alleged injury. What about those?

Yes he had elite stretches but its not opportunistic to question why those stretches never came when the competition got better.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#491 » by The Box Office » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:32 am

"Hey I was injured but I manned up and played anyway" will become a trend for any player whenever they have a bad game.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#492 » by Big J » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:36 am

Tbh, I was starting to move towards putting the twins ahead of him anyway.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#493 » by CptCrunch » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:52 am

Big J wrote:Tbh, I was starting to move towards putting the twins ahead of him anyway.


When is your final pre-draft big board being sent out to your NBA contacts? We are all dying to see.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#494 » by The-Power » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:57 am

reanimator wrote:Characterizing a year long pattern vs top 50 teams, top 40 defense as a poor stretch and an opportunity for detractors is a bit dismissive.

Characterizing my statement as saying that is a bit unfair, though, isn't it? I never wrote that those who worried about his creation against good defenses, and pointed to an emerging pattern, are unreasonable. I was strictly addressing those who seem to use his last couple of games to reach a conclusion (i.e. the ‘choke’ narrative) instead of his entire body of work.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#495 » by BostonCouchGM » Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:23 am

The-Power wrote:It's obvious that people will now overreact to a poor stretch of games (or those who never bought him as an elite prospect will see this as a good opportunity) but I'll just say that we have seen enough of him against legit competition to know what his strengths and weaknesses are. You can be high or low on him (all fair enough) but anyone who dramatically alters their big board after a couple of games is not doing genuine analysis and evaluation but knee-jerk punditry.


I'm not overreacting. I'm admitting that I've been fraudulently overhyping 4s forever and this type of player, who I think should be more impactful in the league, almost never ends up being that, and I'm coming to terms with this so need to start reevaluating how I project these guys. Even the better and more successful 4s that fit this description, the few that actually amount to anything, are at the end of the day role players. You either have the ball in your hands or you don't. If a player is dependent on others for creating for them, they shouldn't be ranked so high, so I no longer will.

Miller isn't an elite athlete. His handle is adequate but nothing special. He CAN pass but only against inferior competition where his size/length advantage comes into play. He CAN shoot but it's 3 or nothing else and as we've seen from others (Jabari) if that goes away you need to be able to create other looks and I'm sorry but Miller can't. It's not like he's being taken off my board, it just means he can't be in the top of the lottery. He'll still be a likely starter at the next level but he's not special. He's not even the prospect I think Smith was and still is because Smith can defend better and I trust his BBIQ and shot more than Miller.

I didn't know he was supposedly injured. He didn't look any different to me tonight than he has in any of the other dozen games I was able to watch him play this season so that excuse doesn't convince me.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#496 » by azcatz11 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:28 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
The-Power wrote:It's obvious that people will now overreact to a poor stretch of games (or those who never bought him as an elite prospect will see this as a good opportunity) but I'll just say that we have seen enough of him against legit competition to know what his strengths and weaknesses are. You can be high or low on him (all fair enough) but anyone who dramatically alters their big board after a couple of games is not doing genuine analysis and evaluation but knee-jerk punditry.


I'm not overreacting. I'm admitting that I've been fraudulently overhyping 4s forever and this type of player, who I think should be more impactful in the league, almost never ends up being that, and I'm coming to terms with this so need to start reevaluating how I project these guys. Even the better and more successful 4s that fit this description, the few that actually amount to anything, are at the end of the day role players. You either have the ball in your hands or you don't. If a player is dependent on others for creating for them, they shouldn't be ranked so high, so I no longer will.

Miller isn't an elite athlete. His handle is adequate but nothing special. He CAN pass but only against inferior competition where his size/length advantage comes into play. He CAN shoot but it's 3 or nothing else and as we've seen from others (Jabari) if that goes away you need to be able to create other looks and I'm sorry but Miller can't. It's not like he's being taken off my board, it just means he can't be in the top of the lottery. He'll still be a likely starter at the next level but he's not special. He's not even the prospect I think Smith was and still is because Smith can defend better and I trust his BBIQ and shot more than Miller.

I didn't know he was supposedly injured. He didn't look any different to me tonight than he has in any of the other dozen games I was able to watch him play this season so that excuse doesn't convince me.


Feels like a Kyle Kuzma type impact player in the league...very similar bodies also. I think he can be a good 3rd option on a mediocre (play-in team)
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#497 » by Upperclass » Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:02 am

Upperclass wrote:This dude looks like another Jarret Culver-type prospect. Doesnt seem like much different from your standard 6'6/6'7 high D1 wing scorer


Upperclass wrote:^Lots of very average prospects in recent drafts of the same archetype.. KZ Okpala, Cam Reddish, Justin Jackson, Ziaire Williams.. the '23 draft looks pretty terrible overall


He's terrible and someone will burn a top 7 pick on him. Happens every draft.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#498 » by Braggins » Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:08 am

Jarrett Culver is 3+ inches shorter than Brandon Miller and shot 34% from 3pt on 4 attempts per game in college. Kuzma shot 30% from 3pt in college.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#499 » by azcatz11 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:18 am

Braggins wrote:Jarrett Culver is 3+ inches shorter than Brandon Miller and shot 34% from 3pt on 4 attempts per game in college. Kuzma shot 30% from 3pt in college.


He's far closer to Kuz than he is to PG who everyone comps him too. He's nowhere the creator nor finisher and let's not even get into defense....it's like galaxies apart
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#500 » by Hal14 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:11 pm

azcatz11 wrote:Sorry I wouldn’t draft him top 10. All he does is take 3s and he can’t effect the game in any other way

I don't think you've ever seen him play.

Very good defender.

Very good passer/play maker - especially for the dude who's 6'9". Have you not seen him slinging passes out of the PnR, leading the roll man perfectly to the basket? slinging live dribble skip passes with his left hand?

Making chase down blocks.

He can drive and finish with his left hand.

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