Luka Doncic

[reanimator]

The Europeans on here simply have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to admit the obvious.

[Derento]

The Europeans on here simply have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to admit the obvious.

And what is this obvious?

[Ettorefm]

Doncic is already a better player than Ingles.

[FreeMario]

Bust

I will take anything you say with a grain of salt, you still believe Mario Hezonja is just as good as Devin Booker right?

Are you serbian? Lol
Mario just need a better place and better coach than Vogel... sorry for OT

[WalterBenjamin]

The Europeans on here simply have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to admit the obvious.

Says a guy who still uses the example of Milicic as, a Euro bust.

[UcanUwill]

The Europeans on here simply have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to admit the obvious.

Most draft sites and international scouts have him as potential #1 pick, yet you still put him outside top 10. Who here has problem admitting the obvious? I understand not being sold on him, but i think you dont realize how much better EL competition is compared to junior tournaments. Any prospect would look limited in EL at age 18.

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[SportsGuy8]

Doncic is already a better player than Ingles.

Joe Ingles is basically the exact same player as he was in his last European season, when he arguably wasn't as good as Doncic is right now. But since you're not going to take our word for it, we can even simply go by the stats:
- Ingles Europe 2013/14, per36: 10.1 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 48 FG%, 41 3P%
- Ingles NBA 2016/17, per 36: 10.8 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 4.7 APG, 46 FG&, 45 3P% (he's probably upswinging a bit with 3pt shots)

Now let's look at Doncic:
- Europe 2016/17 per36: 14.5 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 6.5 APG, 46 FG%, 38 3P%

It's not outlandish as all to claim that Doncic is already a better player. I'm not saying he surely is, but it in no way warrants your response.

P.s.: You really shouldn't have picked that last couple of games to check out Doncic. He's clearly not playing completely healthy while also probably hitting the so-called "rookie wall". Keep in mind that this year, top Euroleague teams have grueling, almost NBA-like schedules.

[reanimator]

The Europeans on here simply have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to admit the obvious.

Most draft sites and international scouts have him as potential #1 pick, yet you still put him outside top 10. Who here has problem admitting the obvious? I understand not being sold on him, but i think you dont realize how much better EL competition is compared to junior tournaments. Any prospect would look limited in EL at age 18.

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I really don't care what the draft sites have him. I have my own eyes and a brain.

[UcanUwill]

I really don't care what the draft sites have him. I have my own eyes and a brain.

Well, so do we. So why Doncic fanboys are the ones not admitting the obvious, whatever that is, its really not that obvious,

I agree that some fanboys are a bit too optimistic, still believing his body will mature and fix some of his physical weaknesses, That almost never happens to be fair.

[The-Power]

The Europeans on here simply have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to admit the obvious.

Most draft sites and international scouts have him as potential #1 pick, yet you still put him outside top 10. Who here has problem admitting the obvious? I understand not being sold on him, but i think you dont realize how much better EL competition is compared to junior tournaments. Any prospect would look limited in EL at age 18.

I really don't care what the draft sites have him. I have my own eyes and a brain.

You are backing off now, though. You wrote that 'the Europeans on here refuse to admit the obvious' but when US scouts rank him high across the board then it's clearly neither a trait of 'the Europeans on here' nor is it obvious apparently. You are entitled to your personal opinion but this isn't what your initial post above implied.

And for what it's worth, I haven't seen Doncic enough to reasonably rank him nor do I particularly care about a player's origin which means I'm unbiased and not here to call anyone's opinion wrong.

[reanimator]

Most draft sites and international scouts have him as potential #1 pick, yet you still put him outside top 10. Who here has problem admitting the obvious? I understand not being sold on him, but i think you dont realize how much better EL competition is compared to junior tournaments. Any prospect would look limited in EL at age 18.

I really don't care what the draft sites have him. I have my own eyes and a brain.

You are backing off now, though. You wrote that 'the Europeans on here refuse to admit the obvious' but when US scouts rank him high across the board then it's clearly neither a trait of 'the Europeans on here' nor is it obvious apparently.

Not really nor is the discussion about being "highly ranked." I have yet to see any US scouts making any of the claims to Doncic as a flawless prospect nor that the Euroleague and NBA are equivalent, outside of Givony who is an agent to Euros.

Maybe its better not to jump in a conversation when you have no idea whats being discussed?

[reanimator]

I really don't care what the draft sites have him. I have my own eyes and a brain.

Well, so do we. So why Doncic fanboys are the ones not admitting the obvious, whatever that is, its really not that obvious,

I agree that some fanboys are a bit too optimistic, still believing his body will mature and fix some of his physical weaknesses, That almost never happens to be fair.

Its not just the Doncic critiques....its this idea that the Euroleague and NBA fields similar athletes with physical tools.

[UcanUwill]

Its not just the Doncic critiques....its this idea that the Euroleague and NBA fields similar athletes with physical tools.

NBA has far better athletes on average, especially guards, but I think you do underrate Euroleague athletes. Saying that top college teams has better athletes and measurements, thats just not true... Its a 16 team competition that has collection of the best non NBA teams and players. Some teams are unathletic, Zalgiris is very unathletic team, but teams like Panathinaikos has pretty ridiculous bouncy and fast players. Most of them are Americans by the way, who played college, became pros and played their way to the top. Literally hundreds of Americans graduate and go overseas every year, but only select few play their way to those 16 teams.

[The-Power]

I really don't care what the draft sites have him. I have my own eyes and a brain.

You are backing off now, though. You wrote that 'the Europeans on here refuse to admit the obvious' but when US scouts rank him high across the board then it's clearly neither a trait of 'the Europeans on here' nor is it obvious apparently.

Not really nor is the discussion about being "highly ranked." I have yet to see any US scouts making any of the claims to Doncic as a flawless prospect nor that the Euroleague and NBA are equivalent, outside of Givony who is an agent to Euros.

Maybe its better not to jump in a conversation when you have no idea whats being discussed?

So 'the Europeans on here' talk about Doncic as a flawless prospect and that Euroleague are equivalent? Stop with these silly and incorrect generalizations if you want to have a proper discussion.

And you are in absolutely no position to tell me when I should or shouldn't respond to a public post. I appreciate your concern, though.

[reanimator]

You are backing off now, though. You wrote that 'the Europeans on here refuse to admit the obvious' but when US scouts rank him high across the board then it's clearly neither a trait of 'the Europeans on here' nor is it obvious apparently.

Not really nor is the discussion about being "highly ranked." I have yet to see any US scouts making any of the claims to Doncic as a flawless prospect nor that the Euroleague and NBA are equivalent, outside of Givony who is an agent to Euros.

Maybe its better not to jump in a conversation when you have no idea whats being discussed?

So 'the Europeans on here' talk about Doncic as a flawless prospect and that Euroleague are equivalent? Stop with these silly and incorrect generalizations if you want to have a proper discussion.

You read what I posted the first time. No need to ask me a dumb question for clarity when you can simply scroll up.

[UcanUwill]

Anyway, Doncic with another very poor game, this time in ACB. 1 point (0/4 FG), 3 rebounds and 3 assists against Fuenlabrada. Not sure how good Fuenlabrada is, but it was a close game.

If Doncic was playing like this entire year, there would still be some hype, because he is so young and just getting any playing time on Real Madrid is impressive in it itself, but it wouldn't be nearly as big as it got.

Earlier this season in freaking Euroleague, he had a 16 game stretch where he averaged Player index rating of 18.2, while still being 17! Thats insane, MVP, solid Euroleague MVP material. No talent has ever done anything close to this in Europe history, so its completely understandable why people drank the cool aid that much. So you have to forgive them reanimator. Even in Euroleague he is probably below average athlete, but he was dominating despite all that. And yes Mirotic12, 16 game stretch of almost 20 PIR per game is flat out domination.

The decline was probably inescapable, he already exceeded all expectations this season.

[reanimator]

Like I said, I'm high on Doncic, think he is a lottery talent, but he would be one of the weakest #1 overall picks in recent memory IMO UNLESS he continues to get stronger and continue to develop his game in the post. Not that I don't think he won't have value on the perimeter as a shooter or PnR handler, but there just isn't enough there for me to think he is a guy you build around as an offensive anchor.

[The-Power]

Not really nor is the discussion about being "highly ranked." I have yet to see any US scouts making any of the claims to Doncic as a flawless prospect nor that the Euroleague and NBA are equivalent, outside of Givony who is an agent to Euros.

Maybe its better not to jump in a conversation when you have no idea whats being discussed?

So 'the Europeans on here' talk about Doncic as a flawless prospect and that Euroleague are equivalent? Stop with these silly and incorrect generalizations if you want to have a proper discussion.

You read what I posted the first time. No need to ask me a dumb question for clarity when you can simply scroll up.

Still incorrect but at least now I know that you're not capable of responding in an appropriate manner on this topic, so I'll leave it at that. Disappointing nonetheless considering that I apparently misjudged you as a solid poster before this little exchange we had.

[Mirotic12]

You mean better than Ingles right now?

Yes.

[Foliohattu]

Doncic is already a better player than Ingles.

You mean better than Ingles right now?

Yes, and quite easily so.

Haven´t seen enough of Doncic to really have an informed opinion, just find this hard to believe as Ingles has played a really significant role on a really good team in a better league. He´s been much better than I thought defensively and really efficient. Obviously Doncic is going to be much better going forward, just don´t think he could be a borderline starter on a top-4 team in west as a 18-year old.