DeAndre Ayton

[anthony00]

Best thing to happen to Ayton. Don't risk injury. Leave Arizona and train on your own.

Virtual lock for for the #1 pick.

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[Dr Positivity]

My model has this guy as serious bust risk. Don't want to mess with bigs with bad statistical indicators and motor concerns. And getting picked over Doncic and Young? Man

[GreatWhiteStiff]

What statistical indicators of his are bad?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The game played (without coach Sean Miller ) showed a whole new side of this player that I had not seen.

DeAndre Ayton does play with passion. I have been thinking that Jaren Jackson is the better prospect but today made me rethink.

Ayton defends the perimeter very well.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

My model has this guy as serious bust risk. Don't want to mess with bigs with bad statistical indicators and motor concerns. And getting picked over Doncic and Young? Man

Today he played with that motor.

I'm also curious about what statistics. My very first impressions were Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson are better than Deandre Ayton. Both appeared to have a better motor to me.

Now I'm not so sure about that.

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[Dr Positivity]

My model has this guy as serious bust risk. Don't want to mess with bigs with bad statistical indicators and motor concerns. And getting picked over Doncic and Young? Man

Today he played with that motor.

I'm also curious about what statistics. My very first impressions were Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson are better than Deandre Ayton. Both appeared to have a better motor to me.

Now I'm not so sure about that.

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Ayton has a very low steal and block rate for his size. Out of these all-star big men PF: Griffin, Bosh, Love, Davis, Aldridge, Millsap, Boozer, Simmons, West, Draymond, C: Embiid, Cousins, Towns, Drummond, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Deandre, the only big with lower stls/40 than Ayton is Deandre. He has a lower block rate than any of the centers on that list, although if you treat his position at PF it would be more like average.

To put it in perspective with three of the gold standards for big men prospects lately:

Davis 1.7 stl/40, 5.8 blk/40
Towns 0.9 stl/40, 4.3 blk/40
Embiid 1.5 stl/40, 4.5 blk/40
Ayton 0.6 stl/40, 2.4 blk/40

Draft mistakes that get made often:

- Obsession with a big man's physical measurements, rather than how he USES those physical measurements on the court. Ayton may be 7'1 but he struggles to use his size on the court. Even Drummond who was criticized for floating did 1.2 stl, 3.8 blk per 36.

- Treating scoring as the most important stat for NCAA prospect when it is arguably the least predictive stat. (See prospects like Bennett, Ingram, Okafor where points was by far their most impressive part of their college game) That's the one thing Ayton exceptionally well, he has a higher Pts/40 in college than anyone did as a freshman on the above list but Cousins

I think he has a chance to be a good player but I would not count on him to become the next David Robinson. The trend seems to be that the all time great big men destroy college when they're there. I suspect if Ayton becomes a perennial all-star it looks more like Bosh and LMA

[GimmeDat]

My model has this guy as serious bust risk. Don't want to mess with bigs with bad statistical indicators and motor concerns. And getting picked over Doncic and Young? Man

Today he played with that motor.

I'm also curious about what statistics. My very first impressions were Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson are better than Deandre Ayton. Both appeared to have a better motor to me.

Now I'm not so sure about that.

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Ayton has a very low steal and block rate for his size. Out of these all-star big men PF: Griffin, Bosh, Love, Davis, Aldridge, Millsap, Boozer, Simmons, West, Draymond, C: Embiid, Cousins, Towns, Drummond, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Deandre, the only big with lower stls/40 than Ayton is Deandre. He has a lower block rate than any of the centers on that list, although if you treat his position at PF it would be more like average.

To put it in perspective with three of the gold standards for big men prospects lately:

Davis 1.7 stl/40, 5.8 blk/40
Towns 0.9 stl/40, 4.3 blk/40
Embiid 1.5 stl/40, 4.5 blk/40
Ayton 0.6 stl/40, 2.4 blk/40

Draft mistakes that get made often:

- Obsession with a big man's physical measurements, rather than how he USES those physical measurements on the court. Ayton may be 7'1 but he struggles to use his size on the court. Even Drummond who was criticized for floating did 1.2 stl, 3.8 blk per 36.

- Treating scoring as the most important stat for NCAA prospect when it is arguably the least predictive stat. (See prospects like Bennett, Ingram, Okafor where points was by far their most impressive part of their college game) That's the one thing Ayton exceptionally well, he has a higher Pts/40 in college than anyone did as a freshman on the above list but Cousins

I think he has a chance to be a good player but I would not count on him to become the next David Robinson. The trend seems to be that the all time great big men destroy college when they're there. I suspect if Ayton becomes a perennial all-star it looks more like Bosh and LMA

Worth considering - I saw this as somewhat of a concern with Markkanen before we drafted him, especially since it was a red flag brought up for McDermott previously. Markkanen's not picking up those counting stats at the NBA level either but he's still a really solid defender.

[doordoor123]

Today he played with that motor.

I'm also curious about what statistics. My very first impressions were Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson are better than Deandre Ayton. Both appeared to have a better motor to me.

Now I'm not so sure about that.

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Ayton has a very low steal and block rate for his size. Out of these all-star big men PF: Griffin, Bosh, Love, Davis, Aldridge, Millsap, Boozer, Simmons, West, Draymond, C: Embiid, Cousins, Towns, Drummond, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Deandre, the only big with lower stls/40 than Ayton is Deandre. He has a lower block rate than any of the centers on that list, although if you treat his position at PF it would be more like average.

To put it in perspective with three of the gold standards for big men prospects lately:

Davis 1.7 stl/40, 5.8 blk/40
Towns 0.9 stl/40, 4.3 blk/40
Embiid 1.5 stl/40, 4.5 blk/40
Ayton 0.6 stl/40, 2.4 blk/40

Draft mistakes that get made often:

- Obsession with a big man's physical measurements, rather than how he USES those physical measurements on the court. Ayton may be 7'1 but he struggles to use his size on the court. Even Drummond who was criticized for floating did 1.2 stl, 3.8 blk per 36.

- Treating scoring as the most important stat for NCAA prospect when it is arguably the least predictive stat. (See prospects like Bennett, Ingram, Okafor where points was by far their most impressive part of their college game) That's the one thing Ayton exceptionally well, he has a higher Pts/40 in college than anyone did as a freshman on the above list but Cousins

I think he has a chance to be a good player but I would not count on him to become the next David Robinson. The trend seems to be that the all time great big men destroy college when they're there. I suspect if Ayton becomes a perennial all-star it looks more like Bosh and LMA

Worth considering - I saw this as somewhat of a concern with Markkanen before we drafted him, especially since it was a red flag brought up for McDermott previously. Markkanen's not picking up those counting stats at the NBA level either but he's still a really solid defender.

Fluidity is just super important on the next level. When Frank Kaminsky was drafted I thought his lack of fluidity was a pretty big deal in terms of his ability to play defense. But it’s also a big deal on offense, which is one of the reasons Kyle Kuzma is so successful. I liked Markkanen’s fluidity even though I wasn’t a fan of his defense.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Last two games he's missed 9 shots from the field 1 from the line and scored 64 points.

[WeNeverLeftAZ]

And 32 rebounds

[getrichordie]

My model has this guy as serious bust risk. Don't want to mess with bigs with bad statistical indicators and motor concerns. And getting picked over Doncic and Young? Man

Today he played with that motor.

I'm also curious about what statistics. My very first impressions were Mo Bamba and Jaren Jackson are better than Deandre Ayton. Both appeared to have a better motor to me.

Now I'm not so sure about that.

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Ayton has a very low steal and block rate for his size. Out of these all-star big men PF: Griffin, Bosh, Love, Davis, Aldridge, Millsap, Boozer, Simmons, West, Draymond, C: Embiid, Cousins, Towns, Drummond, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Deandre, the only big with lower stls/40 than Ayton is Deandre. He has a lower block rate than any of the centers on that list, although if you treat his position at PF it would be more like average.

To put it in perspective with three of the gold standards for big men prospects lately:

Davis 1.7 stl/40, 5.8 blk/40
Towns 0.9 stl/40, 4.3 blk/40
Embiid 1.5 stl/40, 4.5 blk/40
Ayton 0.6 stl/40, 2.4 blk/40

Draft mistakes that get made often:

- Obsession with a big man's physical measurements, rather than how he USES those physical measurements on the court. Ayton may be 7'1 but he struggles to use his size on the court. Even Drummond who was criticized for floating did 1.2 stl, 3.8 blk per 36.

- Treating scoring as the most important stat for NCAA prospect when it is arguably the least predictive stat. (See prospects like Bennett, Ingram, Okafor where points was by far their most impressive part of their college game) That's the one thing Ayton exceptionally well, he has a higher Pts/40 in college than anyone did as a freshman on the above list but Cousins

I think he has a chance to be a good player but I would not count on him to become the next David Robinson. The trend seems to be that the all time great big men destroy college when they're there. I suspect if Ayton becomes a perennial all-star it looks more like Bosh and LMA

Couldn’t that be contributed to players not attacking the paint because of Ayton’s sheer size?

Also, is no one worried about Ayton’s knees or legs or anything? Has he ever had injuries? Big men like him usually have had knee issues in the past.

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[Heej]

I know I'm gonna get ridiculed for this but I could see him being the Andrew Wiggins of big men. He's giving off some of those vibes. Also I never really thought he had great hands. Beginning of the season I thought his hands were Actually questionable

[RCM88x]

Watching him tonight reminds me soooo much of David Robinson, basically looks like the exact same player at times. I guess the only difference is Ayton will take 3s.

[doordoor123]

Ayton not looking great

[VCfor3]

Well this was an unexpected development. How does this early tournament exit (more to do with other players on the team but still) as well as how Ayton played effect everyone's opinion?

[CptCrunch]

Am I supposed to believe that this dude can be a two way player in the NBA, anchor a defense and dominate on offense while getting blown out by a 13 seed without even a center?

14 points on 13 shots? Zero defensive impact.

[GIMME_DATT]

Yikeess..

[doordoor123]

Am I supposed to believe that this dude can be a two way player in the NBA, anchor a defense and dominate on offense while getting blown out by a 13 seed without even a center?

14 points on 13 shots? Zero defensive impact.

His rebounding was also pretty bad at times. A lot of his rebounds are tipped and then rebounded. He tipped the ball a lot, but the other team kept coming up with possession of the ball. I think his lack of eathleticism could lower his ceiling. Starting to think doubters were right.

[Duke4life831]

This is the reason I just can't put Ayton at the top of my board. I think he has the highest ceiling but man it's games like this scare me. He has too many of these games where he should be dominant but he ends up not being dominant. The biggest game of the year and he and his team just gets dominated by a team that had no business dominating them.

[rpa]

If I'm a fan of a top lottery team with shaky coaching or a shaky culture I'm absolutely terrified that my team picks Ayton (said as a Kings fan)