Cade Cunningham

[Big J]

I think even those of us who are down on Cade admit he's going to be good. I've said all along he comps to Hedo Turkoglu. Turk was a borderline 2/3 on that Magic team that made the finals. That is a solid player that any team would love to have. My beef is that there are a few of other guys in this class who have a legitimate chance to be generational guys. Why go with the "safe" pick when there are guys who could carry your team to multiple titles. I've said this before, but Cade's game is also not the most aesthetically appealing, so even if you are getting someone good, he's not the kind of guy that's going be exciting to watch game after game.

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

[Roddy B for 3]

I think my favorite comparison for cafe is a taller Chauncey Billups.

Billups is a 5 time allstar and 3 time all-NBA who peaked as a too 5 MVP candidate.

Cade will have more name recognition than young Billups did and I expect 6-8 all stars + 5-8 all-NBA apprrances. With several too 10 MVP finishes.

I think Cade is a guy who will get most rosters to the playoffs as the #1 but ideally should be a #2 or even a #3 on a superteam.

The fact is the tes who get the #1 pick are lucky, they literally won the lottery.

Now what do you want out ofthat lottory ticket? Do you want a Billups/Hedo/Tatam caliber player guranteed or do you want someone with more potential but also more likley to bust?

For me, I think when picking at the very too of the draft, the primary goal should be to not complety whiff.

Phoniex missed Luka with Ayton, but Ayton is still really good for a finals team, Atlanta missed Luka for Trae and Redfish, but Atlanta still made ECF.

Sacramento missed Luka/Trae/SGA/Porter/Jackson/Sexton/Mikal and hasnt made the playoffs in a decade.

If your awful you take the Luka/Zion/AD/LeBron if they are there. If you dont see them Ayton/Morant/Beal/Carmelo are also incredibly players.

Imo Cade is the clear #1. I think Green has more upside, Barnes and Kuminga probably have more (less realsitic) upside than Cade. I can see why people are high on Mobley, personally I dont see enough self creation.

I also think Cade is a guy who will make the s of the team greater than its parts, and thats a championship quality (why Billups was a top 5 MVP candidate even with a "better potential" Carmelo on his team)

So, i expect Cade to peak as a 2nd tier allstar who is better than his raq numbers suggest and is an elite leader. And if he turns out to be that you have to look back and be happy with the pick even if Kuminga becomes Kwahi (unlikley) Mobley becomes Bisu (I doubt) and J.Green becomes Booker (unlikley).

Its not about what you MISS, its about what you get. And getting a Billups is a very good outcome, no matter what the situation is.

Final line, you can MISS on Luka and still contend for a title, but if you draft Bagley instead of JJJ/Trae/Porter/SGA its going to be a lot harder than drafting Ayton instead of Luka

[Yuri Vaultin]

I think even those of us who are down on Cade admit he's going to be good. I've said all along he comps to Hedo Turkoglu. Turk was a borderline 2/3 on that Magic team that made the finals. That is a solid player that any team would love to have. My beef is that there are a few of other guys in this class who have a legitimate chance to be generational guys. Why go with the "safe" pick when there are guys who could carry your team to multiple titles. I've said this before, but Cade's game is also not the most aesthetically appealing, so even if you are getting someone good, he's not the kind of guy that's going be exciting to watch game after game.

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

And this mysterious evidence is where exactly? This is my fourth time asking you to substantiate your claims, and most likely the 4th time you avoid answering (such a shrewd strategy!).

It's almost like talking to an antivaxxer. I ask for evidence and they either avoid answering (because they can't) or basically gesture their hands around and say it's out there - you just need to find it... but can't provide any proof when pressed.

[bkseven]

I think even those of us who are down on Cade admit he's going to be good. I've said all along he comps to Hedo Turkoglu. Turk was a borderline 2/3 on that Magic team that made the finals. That is a solid player that any team would love to have. My beef is that there are a few of other guys in this class who have a legitimate chance to be generational guys. Why go with the "safe" pick when there are guys who could carry your team to multiple titles. I've said this before, but Cade's game is also not the most aesthetically appealing, so even if you are getting someone good, he's not the kind of guy that's going be exciting to watch game after game.

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

Yes

[azcatz11]

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

And this mysterious evidence is where exactly? This is my fourth time asking you to substantiate your claims, and most likely the 4th time you avoid answering (such a shrewd strategy!).

It's almost like talking to an antivaxxer. I ask for evidence and they either avoid answering (because they can't) or basically gesture their hands around and say it's out there - you just need to find it... but can't provide any proof when pressed.

Everything I've read about Cade is that he's a team leader and a team first guy. I listen to a few different draft pods and I haven't heard anything about questionable team guy or SM posts.

So yeah, unless he posts something it's a troll

[bkseven]

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

And this mysterious evidence is where exactly? This is my fourth time asking you to substantiate your claims, and most likely the 4th time you avoid answering (such a shrewd strategy!).

It's almost like talking to an antivaxxer. I ask for evidence and they either avoid answering (because they can't) or basically gesture their hands around and say it's out there - you just need to find it... but can't provide any proof when pressed.

His evidence is his “eye test” based on the “it” factor

[The Moose]

I think even those of us who are down on Cade admit he's going to be good. I've said all along he comps to Hedo Turkoglu. Turk was a borderline 2/3 on that Magic team that made the finals. That is a solid player that any team would love to have. My beef is that there are a few of other guys in this class who have a legitimate chance to be generational guys. Why go with the "safe" pick when there are guys who could carry your team to multiple titles. I've said this before, but Cade's game is also not the most aesthetically appealing, so even if you are getting someone good, he's not the kind of guy that's going be exciting to watch game after game.

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

You said you did a deep dive into his social media “and there are some things I’ve seen that I don’t like”

Just simply list a few of those things, that’s all I ask.

[DCasey91]

25ppg Is more year 3 for me with Green. 17-19 ppg next season with more the a few eye popping games is my est.

Cade and Suggs will get the jump early that I have no doubt.

I actually think the value bet is Jalen Suggs for rookie of the year. Kind of under the radar somehow

He’s a year off but Jason Kidd is my comp for him. I see more Kidd then other prospects years gone by (Especially the ball brothers just too tall).

[The Moose]

25ppg Is more year 3 for me with Green. 17-19 ppg next season with more the a few eye popping games is my est.

Cade and Suggs will get the jump early that I have no doubt.

I actually think the value bet is Jalen Suggs for rookie of the year. Kind of under the radar somehow

I think it depends where Suggs lands. If he's on the Raptors he might struggle for 'counting' stats. If he's goes to the Magic or even the Cavs potentially he'll have a great chance for sure

[buzzkilloton]

So were you trolling about his SM?

No.

And this mysterious evidence is where exactly? This is my fourth time asking you to substantiate your claims, and most likely the 4th time you avoid answering (such a shrewd strategy!).

It's almost like talking to an antivaxxer. I ask for evidence and they either avoid answering (because they can't) or basically gesture their hands around and say it's out there - you just need to find it... but can't provide any proof when pressed.

The evidence doesnt exist. Its a complete lie. The guy is either a troll or just dislikes Cade so much hes willing to fabricate things that dont exist.

You can read 100s of scouting reports, teammates reports, former coaches its all out there about Cade. Nobody questions his character thats been around him. Its all praise of saying things like hes high character, mature, and a great teammate who players like being around.

If you have the athletic this was a good article from a month ago has alot of talk from people who're actually around Cade and know what kind of kid he is growing up.

https://theathletic.com/2671322/2021/06/28/before-cade-cunningham-was-the-best-player-in-the-country-the-dallas-cowboys-took-notice/

[buzzkilloton]

25ppg Is more year 3 for me with Green. 17-19 ppg next season with more the a few eye popping games is my est.

Cade and Suggs will get the jump early that I have no doubt.

I actually think the value bet is Jalen Suggs for rookie of the year. Kind of under the radar somehow

He’s a year off but Jason Kidd is my comp for him. I see more Kidd then other prospects years gone by (Especially the ball brothers just too tall).

I like Suggs alot to. It really feels like hes become underrated a bit. I was looking for his thread and didnt even see it on the first few pages. Hes just a player without any huge holes in his game. The Jason Kidd comp I've heard quite a bit I think its a good one.

We will have to see the betting lines this season for ROY. Its such a strong class that its going to be tough for one player to be a huge favorite over the others. Of course Cade will be the favorite but the best value could surely be on another guy for betting.

[Big J]

No.

And this mysterious evidence is where exactly? This is my fourth time asking you to substantiate your claims, and most likely the 4th time you avoid answering (such a shrewd strategy!).

It's almost like talking to an antivaxxer. I ask for evidence and they either avoid answering (because they can't) or basically gesture their hands around and say it's out there - you just need to find it... but can't provide any proof when pressed.

The evidence doesnt exist. Its a complete lie. The guy is either a troll or just dislikes Cade so much hes willing to fabricate things that dont exist.

You can read 100s of scouting reports, teammates reports, former coaches its all out there about Cade. Nobody questions his character thats been around him. Its all praise of how hes high character, mature, and a great teammate.

Why would I fabricate my own scouting? From the character work I've done I have some question about Cade's overall intelligence. He seems a bit dim to me. I get non-troublemaker Michael Beasley vibes from him. This issue could show up in his ability to be the main facilitator of a team. I don't think he's got the Luka/CP3/Lebron ability to quickly read defensive schemes and make proper reads. People excuse his high turnover rate on the doubles, but when you get doubled you've gotta hit the open man or move the ball.

[bkseven]

And this mysterious evidence is where exactly? This is my fourth time asking you to substantiate your claims, and most likely the 4th time you avoid answering (such a shrewd strategy!).

It's almost like talking to an antivaxxer. I ask for evidence and they either avoid answering (because they can't) or basically gesture their hands around and say it's out there - you just need to find it... but can't provide any proof when pressed.

The evidence doesnt exist. Its a complete lie. The guy is either a troll or just dislikes Cade so much hes willing to fabricate things that dont exist.

You can read 100s of scouting reports, teammates reports, former coaches its all out there about Cade. Nobody questions his character thats been around him. Its all praise of how hes high character, mature, and a great teammate.

Why would I fabricate my own scouting? From the character work I've done I have some question about Cade's overall intelligence. He seems a bit dim to me. I get non-troublemaker Michael Beasley vibes from him. This issue could show up in his ability to be the main facilitator of a team. I don't think he's got the Luka/CP3/Lebron ability to quickly read defensive schemes and make proper reads. People excuse his high turnover rate on the doubles, but when you get doubled you've gotta hit the open man or move the ball.

“Character work I’ve done”

Ok bro

[NYPiston]

Why would I fabricate my own scouting? From the character work I've done I have some question about Cade's overall intelligence. He seems a bit dim to me. I get non-troublemaker Michael Beasley vibes from him. This issue could show up in his ability to be the main facilitator of a team. I don't think he's got the Luka/CP3/Lebron ability to quickly read defensive schemes and make proper reads. People excuse his high turnover rate on the doubles, but when you get doubled you've gotta hit the open man or move the ball.

That's really weird because I got the sense of high level intelligence and thoughtfulness to his answers in his interviews. Hell, just listen to that 20 minute video of him breaking down his own game film with Schmitz. I don't know how anybody could get "dim" from that video, it was a very informative breakdown of his strengths and weaknesses and what he saw, or didn't see, on the court. Also, from people in the know, his basketball intelligence is one of his strengths.

In any event, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If you think he's dimwitted and lacks intelligence then I'm not here to change your mind, you're going to think what you're going to think regardless and that's fine. That would be an outlier opinion though from what most people see from the kid but I'm sure you know that already.

I will say one more thing though. He does give off that laid back kind of high (chill) type of vibe at times so in that sense I guess you can see a bit of a Beasley vibe but as far as basketball IQ is concerned, he's far from dim IMO.

[Big J]

The other thing I found out about him that’s kinda **** up is that he knocked up a high school chick. Sounds like he’s a good dad, but do you see a Grant Hill doing something like that?

[NYPiston]

The other thing I found out about him that’s kinda **** up is that he knocked up a high school chick. Sounds like he’s a good dad, but do you see a Grant Hill doing something like that?

Are you serious with this?
It seems like it's personal with Cade with you. Odd to say the least.

[Big J]

The other thing I found out about him that’s kinda **** up is that he knocked up a high school chick. Sounds like he’s a good dad, but do you see a Grant Hill doing something like that?

Are you serious with this?
It seems like it's personal with Cade with you. Odd to say the least.

Serious about knocking up the high school chick, or? When you take these guys this high you have to look at everything. To me getting a high schooler pregnant is not a good look.

[azcatz11]

The other thing I found out about him that’s kinda **** up is that he knocked up a high school chick. Sounds like he’s a good dad, but do you see a Grant Hill doing something like that?

Are you serious with this?
It seems like it's personal with Cade with you. Odd to say the least.

Serious about knocking up the high school chick, or? When you take these guys this high you have to look at everything. To me getting a high schooler pregnant is not a good look.

I mean - he was a high schooler also. It says his kid is 2 online. Tatum had a son super young also and he's one of the stand up guys in the league

[Yuri Vaultin]

The other thing I found out about him that’s kinda **** up is that he knocked up a high school chick. Sounds like he’s a good dad, but do you see a Grant Hill doing something like that?

"Sounds like a good dad" that's the important part. Everything else is just noise.

Did you attack Tatum for having a kid young it too? Naaah, of course not.

You have a very weird conscious bias towards the kid. Going so far as to invent reasons to not like him (fake social media claims). Very strange. Why are you grabbing at straws to drive this narrative?

[azcatz11]

The other thing I found out about him that’s kinda **** up is that he knocked up a high school chick. Sounds like he’s a good dad, but do you see a Grant Hill doing something like that?

"Sounds like a good dad" that's the important part. Everything else is just noise.

Did you attack Tatum for having a kid young it too? Naaah, of course not.

You have a very weird conscious bias towards the kid. Going so far as to invent reasons to not like him (fake social media claims). Very strange. Why are you grabbing at straws to drive this narrative?

I'd like to know the motive also. This is going beyond trolling IMO. Sounds like Big J was wronged by Cade somehow and is using RealGM to slander him...