2022 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

nothing is wrong with them, until you start talking about them as top5 picks, Duren is strictly a 5 in the NBA, and primarily a roller on offense that's not gonna create much on his own...we really still picking these dudes that high?

and AJ is fine as a mid first guy I guess, but doesn't really bring anything to the table in terms of dynamic scoring or playmaking chops as a wing to say he's a top 5 pick either.

i guess all this could change but not sure why you think these two are not only top 5 pick but part of what makes this class better than last year's class which was widely viewed as one of the best in yrs.

who are you taking AJ/JD over in last years top 8? and I only say top 8 because Mitchell/Ziaire went 9 and 10 when they probably shouldn't have.

[DCasey91]

Ohhh not to get it confused with the top 5 or anything I was listed names this year. Too early to tell who the top 5 will be. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see both of them in the top 10.

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

You don’t reckon Smith Jr/Chet/Banch is a great as Cade/Green/Mobley?

I was lukewarm on the top end (Mobley/Green that’s it, just Mobley now).

This one seems like theres one or two more but that’s maybe my personal belief.

[clyde21]

right now I only see 3 legitimate top 5 picks - Chet, Paolo and Jabari, rest is tbd honestly.

[crows2]

I agree there's too much projection with not enough substance for Griffin at the moment. He hasn't shown enough to be in the top 5 conversation at this stage.

I also see Duren as more of a 5-10 guy than a top 3. His game doesn't have the potential value of Banchero/Holmgren/Smith. Smith's game tape posted above was absolutely ridiculous!

And speaking of Holmgren, what did people who saw today's game think of his performance? His numbers obviously don't stand out.

[clyde21]

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

no way imo but we'll see

[DCasey91]

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

no way imo but we'll see

For me there’s a lot to like about Duren over Kuminga. Both are very young relative to draft time (Duren will still be 18 when next NBA season rolls around)

Early days but I like his aptitude for the game more.

- Gets into good spots inside (teammates missed him a couple times)
- Settled on the catches
- Scanned well
- Is a monster athletically especially on rebounds/putbacks/shot blocking it’d be the same at the next level imo
- Up high on the defensive rebounds
- Hit a nice pass to a cutter to start the game
- Defends well positional wise inside/out

Little fundamental things but for a kid that’s great it’s a solid base to work from now.

Essentially it boils down to bad play/bad execution. Kuminga got worse as the G league comp went on as the hot streak cooled down to normal, saw twice the head coach wanting to pull his hair out or what hair he had left lol.

With Jalen it’s right play/off execution which is fine (that means raw to me) and can be ironed out easier.

Today there’s players that have spent years in the NBA that still do the bad play/bad execution or essentially the Kelly Oubre’s of the world.

To ADJ and Suggs I think Suggs is more of an athlete than a natural basketball player and he’s smaller on an NBA court than I would have liked. Great kid wonderful maturity, whereas ADJ for the same reason as above is probably the more naturally talented basketball player add to the fact he’s all of 6”6” and a humungous unit.

He’s on the bench because he’s coming back from knee injuries not because of talent/performance.

That’s how I see it now but things can change

[jman3134]

right now I only see 3 legitimate top 5 picks - Chet, Paolo and Jabari, rest is tbd honestly.

Thoughts on Ivey from U19 over the summer? Purdue is going to clog the lane for him, so not really a fair indicator.

[clyde21]

right now I only see 3 legitimate top 5 picks - Chet, Paolo and Jabari, rest is tbd honestly.

Thoughts on Ivey from U19 over the summer? Purdue is going to clog the lane for him, so not really a fair indicator.

i have him as a lotto guy right now, but need to see him shoot better from 3 this yr and develop more creative juice so he's not just an off-ball/slasher in the NBA. possibly top10 if these things happen.

[Duke4life831]

Ohhh not to get it confused with the top 5 or anything I was listed names this year. Too early to tell who the top 5 will be. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see both of them in the top 10.

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

You don’t reckon Smith Jr/Chet/Banch is a great as Cade/Green/Mobley?

I was lukewarm on the top end (Mobley/Green that’s it, just Mobley now).

This one seems like theres one or two more but that’s maybe my personal belief.

Give me Kuminga over JD any day of the week. Sooner or later teams need to realize you don’t take raw athletic bigs high in the draft. Every draft you can usually find 1-2 raw athletic bigs late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

Kuminga on the other hand, taking a raw athletic wing in todays NBA early in the draft makes more sense. Plus even amongst NBA players, Kuminga’s speed and athleticism for his size stands out big time.

[PhilBlackson]

We'll see how he develops but right now I'm not seeing the hype with Duren and why he's a supposed top 5 pick.

[TraBuch]

What happened in the Gonzaga game with Chet? Texas has a really weak front court. Did he just get dominated physically?

[DCasey91]

Ohhh not to get it confused with the top 5 or anything I was listed names this year. Too early to tell who the top 5 will be. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see both of them in the top 10.

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

You don’t reckon Smith Jr/Chet/Banch is a great as Cade/Green/Mobley?

I was lukewarm on the top end (Mobley/Green that’s it, just Mobley now).

This one seems like theres one or two more but that’s maybe my personal belief.

Give me Kuminga over JD any day of the week. Sooner or later teams need to realize you don’t take raw athletic bigs high in the draft. Every draft you can usually find 1-2 raw athletic bigs late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

Kuminga on the other hand, taking a raw athletic wing in todays NBA early in the draft makes more sense. Plus even amongst NBA players, Kuminga’s speed and athleticism for his size stands out big time.

That’s true but Duren is 17 right now and he’s a monster man child with a good base to work from.
I see value in him with any pick outside 10 heck even from 6 onwards I’m backing him in.

Top 5-10 is up in the air, last couple of spots is fluid like it was this year. Chet/Smith Jr/Banch that’s comfortable then after that it’s question mark.

Turner would go pretty high in a redraft (pick 11) if Duren gets drafted in that spot or near enough there’s value there imo. And he has the size adv already being so young.

I was high on Kuminga but I’ve passed on it because damn his aptitude was questionable to say the least in G League play.

[Big J]

I think Timme could work in the NBA. Dude's were saying the same ish about Sengun last year before the draft as they are saying about Time now. Chet on the other hand looked hella busty in that game against Tex. Could be another big stiff Cody Zeller type.

[Pekovic_MIP21]

What happened in the Gonzaga game with Chet? Texas has a really weak front court. Did he just get dominated physically?

While watching the game my take was that Timme was just dominating so much that Holmgren just defeated and didn’t really need to be involved much in the offense as he only took 3 shots. I thought that Chet was a huge factor defensively as Texas never wanted to go inside to challenge him.


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[Duke4life831]

Ohhh not to get it confused with the top 5 or anything I was listed names this year. Too early to tell who the top 5 will be. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see both of them in the top 10.

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

You don’t reckon Smith Jr/Chet/Banch is a great as Cade/Green/Mobley?

I was lukewarm on the top end (Mobley/Green that’s it, just Mobley now).

This one seems like theres one or two more but that’s maybe my personal belief.

Give me Kuminga over JD any day of the week. Sooner or later teams need to realize you don’t take raw athletic bigs high in the draft. Every draft you can usually find 1-2 raw athletic bigs late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

Kuminga on the other hand, taking a raw athletic wing in todays NBA early in the draft makes more sense. Plus even amongst NBA players, Kuminga’s speed and athleticism for his size stands out big time.

That’s true but Duren is 17 right now and he’s a monster man child with a good base to work from.
I see value in him with any pick outside 10 heck even from 6 onwards I’m backing him in.

Top 5-10 is up in the air, last couple of spots is fluid like it was this year. Chet/Smith Jr/Banch that’s comfortable then after that it’s question mark.

Turner would go pretty high in a redraft (pick 11) if Duren gets drafted in that spot or near enough there’s value there imo. And he has the size adv already being so young.

I was high on Kuminga but I’ve passed on it because damn his aptitude was questionable to say the least in G League play.

Myles Turner? Turner was far ahead of Duren as a defender and his jumper was much further along as well. And when I say further ahead as a defender, Im not just talking about blocked shots because Duren will get plenty of those. Im talking rotations, awareness, positioning and so on. Turner was actually a sound defender. Duren is more along the lines of Wiseman, Hayes and so on. Which is the defensive potential is there because they have all the athletic attributes you can ask for, but its more just highlight blocks and potential at the moment.

Just a look back at the raw athletic 5s taken in the top 10 in the last 10 drafts:
James Wiseman
Jaxson Hayes
Bamba
Noel
Drummond
Biyombo

Its just not worth it. Especially when you can get guys like Robert Williams or Mitchell Robinson late in the 1st or early in the 2nd. My question is, when was the last time taking a raw athletic big in the top 10 worked out? Off the top of my head was Dwight Howard. That would be close to 20 years ago.

[clyde21]

Ohhh not to get it confused with the top 5 or anything I was listed names this year. Too early to tell who the top 5 will be. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see both of them in the top 10.

I’d take JD over Kuminga for example and I’d take ADJ over Suggs.

You don’t reckon Smith Jr/Chet/Banch is a great as Cade/Green/Mobley?

I was lukewarm on the top end (Mobley/Green that’s it, just Mobley now).

This one seems like theres one or two more but that’s maybe my personal belief.

Give me Kuminga over JD any day of the week. Sooner or later teams need to realize you don’t take raw athletic bigs high in the draft. Every draft you can usually find 1-2 raw athletic bigs late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

Kuminga on the other hand, taking a raw athletic wing in todays NBA early in the draft makes more sense. Plus even amongst NBA players, Kuminga’s speed and athleticism for his size stands out big time.

Chet/Smith Jr/Banch that’s comfortable then after that it’s question mark.

seems like you agree? you kinda changed your opinion like 4 times in the last 2 pages.

[DCasey91]

I disagree about Wiseman and Hayes, Duren would kill them physically.

What I saw was he got into good positions on both ends of the court and contested well and good repositions on offense. He has fluid feet and moves for a guy his size. Remember he is 17 soon to be 18. I do see his trajectory like a weighted Turner in the future.

In the post he took his time, scanned well, didn’t over dribble etc. There isn’t fancy stuff going on it’s clean fundamental basketball, his touch and execution can improve but I’m guessing his integrating skills are very good. I didn’t see second motions or bad play for the most part mostly just 1:1 stuff. That’s excellent

I dunno personal opinion but Duren outside of the top ten come draft night is value.

[Duke4life831]

I think Timme could work in the NBA. Dude's were saying the same ish about Sengun last year before the draft as they are saying about Time now. Chet on the other hand looked hella busty in that game against Tex. Could be another big stiff Cody Zeller type.

We still arent sure if Sengun is going to end up being a good pick or not. He is getting 19mpg, so its still way too early to say people questioning if his skill set would fit well in today's NBA were wrong. Also Sengun is younger, already has a better perimeter shot, and is far far ahead of Timme as a passer.

[Duke4life831]

I disagree about Wiseman and Hayes, Duren would kill them physically.

What I saw was he got into good positions on both ends of the court and contested well and good repositions on offense. He has fluid feet and moves for a guy his size. Remember he is 17 soon to be 18. I do see his trajectory like a weighted Turner in the future.

In the post he took his time, scanned well, didn’t over dribble etc. There isn’t fancy stuff going on it’s clean fundamental basketball, his touch and execution can improve but I’m guessing his integrating skills are very good. I didn’t see second motions or bad play for the most part mostly just 1:1 stuff. That’s excellent

I dunno personal opinion but Duren outside of the top ten come draft night is value.

Okay even if you think he is a far better physical prospect than those two guys. Back to my main question, when was the last time a raw athletic big going in the top 10 worked out? Again the last one I can think of is Dwight Howard. Like you say that Duren would kill Wiseman and Hayes physically, Turner at the same age was much further along with his perimeter skill set than Duren. And its not like Turner is killing it in the NBA on the offensive side either.

This isn't just me not liking Duren or something. I said the same thing 2 years ago with Wiseman, I dont see the value of taking a raw athletic big high in the draft. And until a player comes along and makes that view point look really bad. I'll stick with it. Because again off the top of my head Dwight Howard was the last raw athletic big taken in the top 10 that lived up to the draft pick.

[clyde21]

no one is disputing Duren outside the top10, this whole convo started when you said hes top 5 and that was proof that this class was 'better off the rip' than last year's.

also I don't get the Turner comp, Turner showed considerable ball skills/shooting ability as a FS big, still early but JD hasn't really shown any of it at this point in a scalable way.

people fall into this trap literally every year it's so odd.