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MemphisX wrote:Every draft season traditional NBA agents unleash wild rumors against every prospect that does not select one of the clique to represent them. And journalists they leak stuff to help them do this. All so they can point at prospects torpedoing their draft stock by not selecting the "right representation".
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
KembaWalker wrote:If he’s got a promise he’s satisfied with what’s the point of working out? VJ went and did the workout that Ace denied and Philly was immediately trying to leak that he looked nervous and was shooting poorly
No point in playing into their games
RollingWave wrote:I dunno the whole story obviously, but I'm going to hazard a guess that Utah wasn't where the Bailey team was trying to manipulate himself to.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Notanoob wrote:KembaWalker wrote:If he’s got a promise he’s satisfied with what’s the point of working out? VJ went and did the workout that Ace denied and Philly was immediately trying to leak that he looked nervous and was shooting poorly
No point in playing into their games
There are lots of cases of guys 'getting a promise' and then on draft day seeing it never materialize.
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
One_and_Done wrote:Notanoob wrote:KembaWalker wrote:If he’s got a promise he’s satisfied with what’s the point of working out? VJ went and did the workout that Ace denied and Philly was immediately trying to leak that he looked nervous and was shooting poorly
No point in playing into their games
There are lots of cases of guys 'getting a promise' and then on draft day seeing it never materialize.
That's actually quite rare.
babyjax13 wrote:RollingWave wrote:I dunno the whole story obviously, but I'm going to hazard a guess that Utah wasn't where the Bailey team was trying to manipulate himself to.
Yup, lol, but I am thrilled.
I think he is a kid who wanted to be close to home. Salt Lake is not that, but hopefully he grows to enjoy it.
KembaWalker wrote:If he’s got a promise he’s satisfied with what’s the point of working out? VJ went and did the workout that Ace denied and Philly was immediately trying to leak that he looked nervous and was shooting poorly
No point in playing into their games
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
NO-KG-AI wrote:KembaWalker wrote:If he’s got a promise he’s satisfied with what’s the point of working out? VJ went and did the workout that Ace denied and Philly was immediately trying to leak that he looked nervous and was shooting poorly
No point in playing into their games
Because establishing relationships with teams and front offices might help your contracts and landing spots at other points in your career.
Or You can be an asshat, and when you’re not very good and no one is interested in signing you, you can get on a podcast and you and your friends can claim you are blackballed.
If you are confident in your skills, you should be trying to impress whoever you can. Never know where your career might go.
SeattleJazzFan wrote:this post may retire this thread. i started the thread and he was my favorite prospect over the course of the season and into the draft. very few things better in sports* for a draft geek, than your favorite team drafting your favorite prospect.
he could be the biggest bust in nba history, but at least on that one day, it was near the pinnacle of my sports fandom.
*it should be noted, the last time one of my teams won a championship in any major sport, college or pro, the orioles won the ws in 1983, so i really don't know/remember what that feels like.
azcatz11 wrote:SeattleJazzFan wrote:this post may retire this thread. i started the thread and he was my favorite prospect over the course of the season and into the draft. very few things better in sports* for a draft geek, than your favorite team drafting your favorite prospect.
he could be the biggest bust in nba history, but at least on that one day, it was near the pinnacle of my sports fandom.
*it should be noted, the last time one of my teams won a championship in any major sport, college or pro, the orioles won the ws in 1983 - i was 9, so i really don't know/remember what that feels like.
Wow - interesting. So what are your thoughts present moment? How much conviction do you have?
SeattleJazzFan wrote:azcatz11 wrote:SeattleJazzFan wrote:this post may retire this thread. i started the thread and he was my favorite prospect over the course of the season and into the draft. very few things better in sports* for a draft geek, than your favorite team drafting your favorite prospect.
he could be the biggest bust in nba history, but at least on that one day, it was near the pinnacle of my sports fandom.
*it should be noted, the last time one of my teams won a championship in any major sport, college or pro, the orioles won the ws in 1983 - i was 9, so i really don't know/remember what that feels like.
Wow - interesting. So what are your thoughts present moment? How much conviction do you have?
i've always had concerns about his game - but i've been bullish regardless. watching him in summer league, i still think the key for him will be the ability to create his own shot (which he hasn't done much or had much success with in summer league) while getting good shots. at rutgers, he created plenty for himself, but most of the time it resulted in really tough shots and poor efficiency. so can he create consistently while getting good looks and being efficient with it? who knows. he's so young. but with his size, athleticism and stroke, he has a great base to start from. ballhandling is going to be key.
EvanZ wrote:Honestly he already looks better than Kuminga. Not that that's saying much, but what separates Bailey is his willingness and even eagerness to rebound and get physical in the paint. If that is truly who Ace Bailey is, I don't think he can fail (in the way Kuminga really is trying to fail). I think this is the trait that a lot of people either were skeptical on or just slept on, but it's so important.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:EvanZ wrote:Honestly he already looks better than Kuminga. Not that that's saying much, but what separates Bailey is his willingness and even eagerness to rebound and get physical in the paint. If that is truly who Ace Bailey is, I don't think he can fail (in the way Kuminga really is trying to fail). I think this is the trait that a lot of people either were skeptical on or just slept on, but it's so important.
Ace's level of toughness/physicality is hard to judge as he's a really good rebounder and a really bad foul drawer.
SeattleJazzFan wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:EvanZ wrote:Honestly he already looks better than Kuminga. Not that that's saying much, but what separates Bailey is his willingness and even eagerness to rebound and get physical in the paint. If that is truly who Ace Bailey is, I don't think he can fail (in the way Kuminga really is trying to fail). I think this is the trait that a lot of people either were skeptical on or just slept on, but it's so important.
Ace's level of toughness/physicality is hard to judge as he's a really good rebounder and a really bad foul drawer.
i think what evan is saying or if not, at least what i would say is that he (he being Evan) is right about his toughness and physicality, but it's mostly manifested, perhaps entirely manifested, in his defense and rebounding. i don't think he's figured out how to be tough offensively. when he gets in the paint, he's usually fading away or taking hook shots - and you're just not going to get fouled much when that's the case