DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get?

nba_addict · Post #501 » by **nba_addict** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:51 pm

Wolves picking Johnson over Cousins is like Washington winning the lottery for Sacramento.

Dr Positivity · Post #502 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:58 pm

The Wolves trading splitting up Love-Jefferson and replacing it with Love-Cousins would be :lol:

Even better than the PG thing last year

Cammo101 · Post #503 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:59 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:Putting Johnson on this team dooms them to another 15 win season. No one on the team is a playmaker and he desperately need playmakers.

Minny would win 15 games next year with Cousins and Johnson. Johnson's playmaker will be Rubio long term, and a team as bad as Minny should not care about the short term.

Esohny · Post #504 » by **Esohny** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:37 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:The Wolves trading splitting up Love-Jefferson and replacing it with Love-Cousins would be Even better than the PG thing last year

What?

zauchary · Post #505 » by **zauchary** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:38 pm

yeah, im not sure he was even trying to make sense.

Mezotarkus · Post #506 » by **Mezotarkus** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:18 pm

Esohny wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:The Wolves trading splitting up Love-Jefferson and replacing it with Love-Cousins would be Even better than the PG thing last year

What?

Replacing Jefferson with Cousins wouldn't accomplish anything is his point - kind of like drafting two PGs in the lottery did last year.

Post #507 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:31 pm

I just noticed a typo in the thread title, it should have read: "DeMarcus Cousins. How big can he get?"

Mods, please fix.

AQuintus · Post #508 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:55 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:Replacing Jefferson with Cousins wouldn't accomplish anything is his point - kind of like drafting two PGs in the lottery did last year.

Currently the two best players on the Timberwolves' roster are both Power Forwards. How does replacing one of those PFs with a legit Center not accomplish anything?

Dr Positivity · Post #509 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:39 am

Cousins (if he pans out mind you) will pretty much be Al Jefferson. That's why it'd be funny. Love Jefferson is a disaster for fit reasons, for them to say this didn't work so let's put Cousins in there would be a hilarious lack of insight. Basically not only would the Wolves would be continuing their trend of putting players together with no semblence of fit, but they'd be making the exact same poor fit mistake as before

It'd be analogous to Colangelo trading Bargnani on draft day and then taking Donatas Montiejunas and claiming him the C of the future (if Bosh was staying)

Esohny · Post #510 » by **Esohny** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:40 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Cousins (if he pans out mind you) will pretty much be Al Jefferson. That's why it'd be funny. Love Jefferson is a disaster for fit reasons, for them to say this didn't work so let's put Cousins in there would be a hilarious lack of insight. Basically not only would the Wolves would be continuing their trend of putting players together with no semblence of fit, but they'd be making the exact same poor fit mistake as before

It'd be analogous to Colangelo trading Bargnani on draft day and then taking Donatas Montiejunas and claiming him the C of the future (if Bosh was staying)

Terrible analogy. Ridiculous take.

Zeitgeister · Post #511 » by **Zeitgeister** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:04 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Cousins (if he pans out mind you) will pretty much be Al Jefferson. That's why it'd be funny. Love Jefferson is a disaster for fit reasons, for them to say this didn't work so let's put Cousins in there would be a hilarious lack of insight. Basically not only would the Wolves would be continuing their trend of putting players together with no semblence of fit, but they'd be making the exact same poor fit mistake as before

It'd be analogous to Colangelo trading Bargnani on draft day and then taking Donatas Montiejunas and claiming him the C of the future (if Bosh was staying)

I've read quite a few of your takes on various subjects and I rarely agree with them, and this is no exception to the rule. Cousins is a legit center, Love and Jefferson are not. Love/Cousins would be a good front court duo. Jefferson/Cousins would be pretty good as well but I think Cousins/Love fit a little better because Love works better in the triangle. Cousins should be a very good center offensively, drawing a lot more fouls than Jefferson and he has a lot of defensive potential. More than anyone on the Timberwolves roster. not to mention he's BPA and there is a noticeable gap between him and everyone else in the draft after the 4th pick. It'd be ridiculous not to take him, even with some of his red flags. Secondly, you referencing the point guard situation and joking about it means you probably don't have a handle as to what the Timberwolves management's reasoning was for doing it in the first place.

AQuintus · Post #512 » by **AQuintus** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:33 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Cousins (if he pans out mind you) will pretty much be Al Jefferson.

Yep, he'll be a taller, longer, better passing, better foul drawing, better shooting Al Jefferson.

That's why it'd be funny. Love Jefferson is a disaster for fit reasons, for them to say this didn't work so let's put Cousins in there would be a hilarious lack of insight.

I big reason (perhaps the biggest) why they don't fit together is because they're both Power Forwards. A Cousins-Love front court doesn't have that problem.

Basically not only would the Wolves would be continuing their trend of putting players together with no semblence of fit, but they'd be making the exact same poor fit mistake as before

It's certainly too bad that trades were outlawed in the NBA, or else taking the best player available to help fill the massive talent void that the Wolves have and then moving guys for fit later would work very well.

It'd be analogous to Colangelo trading Bargnani on draft day and then taking Donatas Montiejunas and claiming him the C of the future (if Bosh was staying)

No, it would be more like Colangelo trading Bargnani, a 3pt shooting Power Forward playing out of position, and on draft day taking Bill Laimbeer, a 3pt shooting Center, and claiming him the C of the future.

ponder276 · Post #513 » by **ponder276** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 6:30 am

Re: the Cousins/Love pairing, I think they'd fit well offensively, and they'd certainly grab a TONNE of boards, but they'd be pretty poor defensively. I like what Cousins brings in terms of scoring and rebounding, but he's just not a great help defender, and Love is a poor defender period. This team would definitely have defensive issues.

humblebum · Post #514 » by **humblebum** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 4:39 pm

ponder276 wrote:Re: the Cousins/Love pairing, I think they'd fit well offensively, and they'd certainly grab a TONNE of boards, but they'd be pretty poor defensively. I like what Cousins brings in terms of scoring and rebounding, but he's just not a great help defender, and Love is a poor defender period. This team would definitely have defensive issues.

Which is basically the same issue, defensive weakness, that the Love-Jefferson pairing struggles with, correct? I'm a Celtics fan and definitely a believer in Big Al's offensive talent. Next to the right Center (a lengthy, defensive minded center or a rangy, long defensive PF) I think he could be a #2 on a Championship contender. I'm not sure about Love being that same calibre of player, but I haven't seen much of him.

Either way you look at it though the Wolves need to draft BPA and if that happens to be Cousins then so be it. You can fit the pieces together down the line because the core of that team is very young.

Photo Guy · Post #515 » by **Photo Guy** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 11:16 pm

Cammo101 wrote:And for the record, I never said Whiteside would be better than Cousins. I said he had more upside. I have had Cousins ahead of Whiteside in my big board for quite some time now.

I don't think anyone in this draft has more 'upside' than Cousins, including Wall. If Cousins reaches his highest point, he's absolutely the best player in this draft. That's the dilemma though, what's the likelihood he even comes close to reaching that potential? That's why there are people making a lot more money than you or me calling the shots. My guess, though, is that Cousins go in the top 7 likely in the 4-7 range.

Post #516 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 12:14 am

I think Cousins can be an excellent defender in the mold of Brendan Haywood or Kendrick Perkins. All about mentality, being a weak leaper doesn't make you a poor defender.

Post #517 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 12:14 am

I think Cousins can be an excellent defender in the mold of Brendan Haywood or Kendrick Perkins. All about mentality, being a weak leaper doesn't make you a poor defender.

Cammo101 · Post #518 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 2:53 am

Photo Guy wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:And for the record, I never said Whiteside would be better than Cousins. I said he had more upside. I have had Cousins ahead of Whiteside in my big board for quite some time now.

I don't think anyone in this draft has more 'upside' than Cousins, including Wall. If Cousins reaches his highest point, he's absolutely the best player in this draft.

I could not disagree more with this. Cousins is very skilled, but he is a below the basket big man and that severely limits his upside. To say he has a higher ceiling that John Wall is borderline (Please Use More Appropriate Word) IMO.

TAI8 · Post #519 » by **TAI8** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 1:01 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Photo Guy wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:And for the record, I never said Whiteside would be better than Cousins. I said he had more upside. I have had Cousins ahead of Whiteside in my big board for quite some time now.

I don't think anyone in this draft has more 'upside' than Cousins, including Wall. If Cousins reaches his highest point, he's absolutely the best player in this draft.

I could not disagree more with this. Cousins is very skilled, but he is a below the basket big man and that severely limits his upside. To say he has a higher ceiling that John Wall is borderline (Please Use More Appropriate Word) IMO.

Just stop talking about Cousins seriously...You obviously have no idea what upside means...and your hatred for Cousins obviously clouds your judgment.

Cammo101 · Post #520 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 2:41 pm

TAI8 wrote:Just stop talking about Cousins seriously...You obviously have no idea what upside means...and your hatred for Cousins obviously clouds your judgment.

I don't hate Cousins, I rate him as a top 5 player in this draft. I just don't pray at his alter.

Please teach me the meaning of upside thought. I am always trying to learn. :roll:

Explain to me why a below the basket big man with limited defense has more upside than John Wall.