Evan Mobley - USC

[NRSV]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

[Marcus]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

enjoy

[ThunderBolt]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

Trade down while you still can.

[NRSV]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

Trade down while you still can.

Oh no…

Thanks.

[DCasey91]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

I’d recommend going through this thread, it’s a well informed discussion. Posters and regulars here do an amazing job scouting prospects (hot take but better then NBA scouts imo lol). All the strengths and weaknesses and upside/comparisons of Mobley are all here

To get a gist of how good these gents and gentiles are at this search up the Ben Simmons thread. Everything that’s repeated ad nauseam even today from having defensive monstrous capabilities to questioning his work ethic to the shot was fully outlined back in 2016.

These members got a hold of Shai weeks and weeks before the main media picked him up and still he got drafted later then he should have! Same with RJ who should have gone higher as well.

To Mobley you are in for a treat.

I liken him to a modern Bosh with different +-‘s.

- Scoring, Rebounding
+ Modern 3 ball potential, Elite defense, Better facilitator

By year 2/3 once the strength (Which he does lack but he’s young and he’s a big so no worries there) comes if you guys get him and Mobley fans in general (which I’m firmly in that boat been there for awhile) it’s going to be happy days.

Something like 18/9/4/2/1 is my est. with All NBA defense and a superb ancillary piece to a superstar. C/PF switch man capabilities because he moves effortlessly positional wise from interior to outer. Loose hips, amazing blocking instincts and already a more advanced facilitator then Embiid/Towns/Ayton. Would not surprise me in the slightest if he averaged 4 assists in his prime. His mold-ability for me is the highest bar none.

Adebayo is a good comp but I prefer the dif, modern more defense, better passing Bosh. Heck Mobley had Duncan comps that’s how high some people rate him .

Serious tier one best of group in this draft class.

He’s my pick initially early on then later Jalen Green but it’s come full circle. Either I believe will be the best player from this draft in due time. Have patience and you’ll be rewarded and then some!

Happy days ahead Cavs fans you got a great one with Mobley!

[Marcus]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

I’d recommend going through this thread, it’s a well informed discussion. Posters and regulars here do an amazing job scouting prospects (hot take but better then NBA scouts imo lol). All the strengths and weaknesses and upside/comparisons of Mobley are all here

To get a gist of how good these gents and gentiles are at this search up the Ben Simmons thread. Everything that’s repeated ad nauseam even today from having defensive monstrous capabilities to questioning his work ethic to the shot was fully outlined back in 2016.

These members got a hold of Shai weeks and weeks before the main media picked him up and still he got drafted later then he should have! Same with RJ who should have gone higher as well.

i mean....
we don't like to brag...
but we do love this prospect game and we give it the time and effort it deserves.

on behalf of the crew, we thank you sir.

[DCasey91]

As a Cavs fan, how should I feel about Mobley? I’m gonna try to get through this thread between now and the draft tonight

I’d recommend going through this thread, it’s a well informed discussion. Posters and regulars here do an amazing job scouting prospects (hot take but better then NBA scouts imo lol). All the strengths and weaknesses and upside/comparisons of Mobley are all here

To get a gist of how good these gents and gentiles are at this search up the Ben Simmons thread. Everything that’s repeated ad nauseam even today from having defensive monstrous capabilities to questioning his work ethic to the shot was fully outlined back in 2016.

These members got a hold of Shai weeks and weeks before the main media picked him up and still he got drafted later then he should have! Same with RJ who should have gone higher as well.

i mean....
we don't like to brag...
but we do love this prospect game and we give it the time and effort it deserves.

on behalf of the crew, we thank you sir.

My pleasure It’s a way more chill atmosphere but it’s also very very fine combed and thorough every step of the way. It so fine combed there was about 7 or so pages just discussing Senguns height lol.

Great great job on this draft kudos!

[Marcus]

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[clyde21]

<3Mobes

time for me to set u free do ur thing playboy

[Marcus]

<3Mobes

time for me to set u free do ur thing playboy

It's tough to let the youngins go after we've watched them get to this point. It's like seeing your favorite underground artist get a number one single and you know you have to share them with the world. They'll never appreciate them like you did.

Bittersweet bruh bruh

[yoyoboy]

It's pretty clear he's a work in progress. Doesn't have the strength yet to get into ideal scoring situations which has led to a lot of jump shots and slightly too far shots in the paint. And while he's hit some jumpers, it's obviously not consistent yet. But you can see the IQ in his playmaking, screen setting, and instructions to teammates on defense. He's not looking quite as active defensively as he did in college so far (cardio not there yet?) but he still has a huge impact out there and guys are oftentimes afraid to challenge him at the rim.

He'll definitely be relegated mostly to pick 'n pop and rolling lobs his first year. He'll also probably be used as a playmaker near the top of the key. That was getting some easy buckets late in the game. But I don't think he's ready to attack from face ups or post up that much yet until he gains some mass. I'm slightly concerned about his rebounding so far (JJJ vibes) but Jackson came in at 240 lbs while Mobley is only 215 lbs so I'm hoping the added weight will mostly alleviate that, even if he never becomes a dominant rebounder.

[K_chile22]

It's pretty clear he's a work in progress. Doesn't have the strength yet to get into ideal scoring situations which has led to a lot of jump shots and slightly too far shots in the paint. And while he's hit some jumpers, it's obviously not consistent yet. But you can see the IQ in his playmaking, screen setting, and instructions to teammates on defense. He's not looking quite as active defensively as he did in college so far (cardio not there yet?) but he still has a huge impact out there and guys are oftentimes afraid to challenge him at the rim.

He'll definitely be relegated mostly to pick 'n pop and rolling lobs his first year. He'll also probably be used as a playmaker near the top of the key. That was getting some easy buckets late in the game. But I don't think he's ready to attack from face ups or post up that much yet until he gains some mass. I'm slightly concerned about his rebounding so far (JJJ vibes) but Jackson came in at 240 lbs while Mobley is only 215 lbs so I'm hoping the added weight will mostly alleviate that, even if he never becomes a dominant rebounder.

He just doesn't seem interested in getting in there for rebounds that he can't just jump and grab in his area. Was the same way in usc. Beginning to think there's a bigger chance he can't play C later in his career then many thought, much like jjj

[clyde21]

It's pretty clear he's a work in progress. Doesn't have the strength yet to get into ideal scoring situations which has led to a lot of jump shots and slightly too far shots in the paint. And while he's hit some jumpers, it's obviously not consistent yet. But you can see the IQ in his playmaking, screen setting, and instructions to teammates on defense. He's not looking quite as active defensively as he did in college so far (cardio not there yet?) but he still has a huge impact out there and guys are oftentimes afraid to challenge him at the rim.

He'll definitely be relegated mostly to pick 'n pop and rolling lobs his first year. He'll also probably be used as a playmaker near the top of the key. That was getting some easy buckets late in the game. But I don't think he's ready to attack from face ups or post up that much yet until he gains some mass. I'm slightly concerned about his rebounding so far (JJJ vibes) but Jackson came in at 240 lbs while Mobley is only 215 lbs so I'm hoping the added weight will mostly alleviate that, even if he never becomes a dominant rebounder.

He just doesn't seem interested in getting in there for rebounds that he can't just jump and grab in his area. Was the same way in usc. Beginning to think there's a bigger chance he can't play C later in his career then many thought, much like jjj

eh, he's never gonna be an elite rebounder, was never his game, don't see the issue...rebounding is probably the most overrated part of being a big in today's NBA if we are being honest...look @ Drummond...might be the best rebounder we've ever seen but it's almost completely irrelevant on the W/L column in terms of his impact

we've mentioned here many times, he's more of a Pau Gasol type of big, where his impact is going to be on how good of a playmaking big he is on offense + the multi-level multi-positional defense he brings on the other side, while also contributing 20 points a pop on good efficiency.

as long as he understands how to box out, the rebounds will come, like they did for Pau, but his bread and butter will be everything else he brings to the table...and this talk about him not being a C needs to die a quick death. he's a center, period...there is no need to get cute about it.

[K_chile22]

It's pretty clear he's a work in progress. Doesn't have the strength yet to get into ideal scoring situations which has led to a lot of jump shots and slightly too far shots in the paint. And while he's hit some jumpers, it's obviously not consistent yet. But you can see the IQ in his playmaking, screen setting, and instructions to teammates on defense. He's not looking quite as active defensively as he did in college so far (cardio not there yet?) but he still has a huge impact out there and guys are oftentimes afraid to challenge him at the rim.

He'll definitely be relegated mostly to pick 'n pop and rolling lobs his first year. He'll also probably be used as a playmaker near the top of the key. That was getting some easy buckets late in the game. But I don't think he's ready to attack from face ups or post up that much yet until he gains some mass. I'm slightly concerned about his rebounding so far (JJJ vibes) but Jackson came in at 240 lbs while Mobley is only 215 lbs so I'm hoping the added weight will mostly alleviate that, even if he never becomes a dominant rebounder.

He just doesn't seem interested in getting in there for rebounds that he can't just jump and grab in his area. Was the same way in usc. Beginning to think there's a bigger chance he can't play C later in his career then many thought, much like jjj

eh, he's never gonna be an elite rebounder, was never his game, don't see the issue...rebounding is probably the most overrated part of being a big in today's NBA if we are being honest...look @ Drummond...might be the best rebounder we've ever seen but it's almost completely irrelevant on the W/L column in terms of his impact

we've mentioned here many times, he's more of a Pau Gasol type of big, where his impact is going to be on how good of a playmaking big he is on offense + the multi-level multi-positional defense he brings on the other side, while also contributing 20 points a pop on good efficiency.

as long as he understands how to box out, the rebounds will come, like they did for Pau, but his bread and butter will be everything else he brings to the table...and this talk about him not being a C needs to die a quick death. he's a center, period...there is no need to get cute about it.

I absolutely think his best position is as a center, just not sure he'll rebound well enough to be that full time. Again , JJJ is the example of this, he's primarily a four because they get bludgeoned on the glass when he's a five. Maybe you need to find a stretch four who can rebound well to put next to him, but every team is looking for those. Maybe he figures it out as a rebounder, just cautious of repeating the same mistake I made with JJJ

[clyde21]

He just doesn't seem interested in getting in there for rebounds that he can't just jump and grab in his area. Was the same way in usc. Beginning to think there's a bigger chance he can't play C later in his career then many thought, much like jjj

eh, he's never gonna be an elite rebounder, was never his game, don't see the issue...rebounding is probably the most overrated part of being a big in today's NBA if we are being honest...look @ Drummond...might be the best rebounder we've ever seen but it's almost completely irrelevant on the W/L column in terms of his impact

we've mentioned here many times, he's more of a Pau Gasol type of big, where his impact is going to be on how good of a playmaking big he is on offense + the multi-level multi-positional defense he brings on the other side, while also contributing 20 points a pop on good efficiency.

as long as he understands how to box out, the rebounds will come, like they did for Pau, but his bread and butter will be everything else he brings to the table...and this talk about him not being a C needs to die a quick death. he's a center, period...there is no need to get cute about it.

I absolutely think his best position is as a center, just not sure he'll rebound well enough to be that full time. Again , JJJ is the example of this, he's primarily a four because they get bludgeoned on the glass when he's a five. Maybe you need to find a stretch four who can rebound well to put next to him, but every team is looking for those. Maybe he figures it out as a rebounder, just cautious of repeating the same mistake I made with JJJ

except Jaren is not an example of this, Jaren is an example of a big who can't stay on the court because he's never learned to block shots/rim protect without being a foul fiend..in the NBA he's averaging 4 fouls per game in just 26 minutes, and in college JJJ fouled 5.3 times per 36 minutes...compare that to Evan's which was an ELITE 1.9 fouls per 36.

again, modern NBA concepts, team rebounding is just way more important than a single big on the inside hoarding all the boards (again the Drummond example)...as long as Evan learns to box out (which he will) the rebounds will come whether to him or someone else on the team.

and again, the Pau Gasol archetype...never been an elite rebounder, but was one of the best bigs in the entire league for a decade because of his combo of defense and playmaking while being an efficient scorer, and Evan even has a higher ceiling than Pau due to his superior movement skills.

[K_chile22]

eh, he's never gonna be an elite rebounder, was never his game, don't see the issue...rebounding is probably the most overrated part of being a big in today's NBA if we are being honest...look @ Drummond...might be the best rebounder we've ever seen but it's almost completely irrelevant on the W/L column in terms of his impact

we've mentioned here many times, he's more of a Pau Gasol type of big, where his impact is going to be on how good of a playmaking big he is on offense + the multi-level multi-positional defense he brings on the other side, while also contributing 20 points a pop on good efficiency.

as long as he understands how to box out, the rebounds will come, like they did for Pau, but his bread and butter will be everything else he brings to the table...and this talk about him not being a C needs to die a quick death. he's a center, period...there is no need to get cute about it.

I absolutely think his best position is as a center, just not sure he'll rebound well enough to be that full time. Again , JJJ is the example of this, he's primarily a four because they get bludgeoned on the glass when he's a five. Maybe you need to find a stretch four who can rebound well to put next to him, but every team is looking for those. Maybe he figures it out as a rebounder, just cautious of repeating the same mistake I made with JJJ

except Jaren is not an example of this, Jaren is an example of a big who can't stay on the court because he's never learned to block shots/rim protect without being a foul fiend..in the NBA he's averaging 4 fouls per game in just 26 minutes, and in college JJJ fouled 5.3 times per 36 minutes...compare that to Evan's which was an ELITE 1.9 fouls per 36.

again, modern NBA concepts, team rebounding is just way more important than a single big on the inside hoarding all the boards (again the Drummond example)...as long as Evan learns to box out (which he will) the rebounds will come whether to him or someone else on the team.

and again, the Pau Gasol archetype...never been an elite rebounder, but was one of the best bigs in the entire league for a decade because of his combo of defense and playmaking while being an efficient scorer, and Evan even has a higher ceiling than Pau due to his superior movement skills.

I never said mobley won't be able to stay on the floor, that's a straw man. I don't disagree with anything you said about mobley v jjj, but I was talking specifically about how JJ is more effective at 4 than at 5 because his deficiencies as a rebounder, worried that may be true for Mobley as well

[NO-KG-AI]

JJJ is exceptionally awful as a rebounder though. Mobley might not be great, but JJJ is in a very elite category of rebound suckage lol.

[Roger Murdock]

Evan Mobley helps the team rebounding by lowering opponents FG%. He covers a lot of ground and is frequently far from the hoop/away from the potential rebounds. I haven't been a fan of him winning physical rebounds in summer league or college, its an obvious weakness of his, but defense/rebounding are team stats and I expect Allen to feast on the glass next year.

What I love about Mobley right now is he has two clear weaknesses

1. Strength/physicality
2. Shooting

These are also the 2 skills most proven to improve over time. His vision, game feel, and mobility are other-worldly.

Cavs seem hell bend on developing him as a playmaker from what I've read/heard. I think long term for his development (and the teams) this is 100% the right call but will likely have a negative affect on the teams W/L record and his efficiency metrics this year.

[SaNdMiRkS]

This dude is so similar to Duncan, that it's somewhat eerie. Much like Patrick Williams with Kawhi Leonard.

[DroseReturnChi]

Evan Mobley helps the team rebounding by lowering opponents FG%. He covers a lot of ground and is frequently far from the hoop/away from the potential rebounds. I haven't been a fan of him winning physical rebounds in summer league or college, its an obvious weakness of his, but defense/rebounding are team stats and I expect Allen to feast on the glass next year.

What I love about Mobley right now is he has two clear weaknesses

1. Strength/physicality
2. Shooting

These are also the 2 skills most proven to improve over time. His vision, game feel, and mobility are other-worldly.

Cavs seem hell bend on developing him as a playmaker from what I've read/heard. I think long term for his development (and the teams) this is 100% the right call but will likely have a negative affect on the teams W/L record and his efficiency metrics this year.

he is basically a long term project that could pan out. jjj didnt.
cavs in the end didnt gain anything from development only got mediocre picks until now. even assuming mobley is a future all star, they need 2 of his caliber more and need to get rid of the entire core and tank 1 more yr.