2022 NBA Draft

[Duke4life831]

no one is disputing Duren outside the top10, this whole convo started when you said hes top 5 and that was proof that this class was 'better off the rip' than last year's.

also I don't get the Turner comp, Turner showed considerable ball skills/shooting ability as a FS big, still early but JD hasn't really shown any of it at this point in a scalable way.

people fall into this trap literally every year it's so odd.

Especially early on in the college season when the vast majority of the games played are against unbelievably weak opposition. And most bad college teams are drastically lacking legit big men. So we see a lot of these raw athletic big men put up big points/reb/blk stats against these horrible teams with no big men and people go crazy.

Unless the player is a freak two way prospect (a Mobley) or has a top tier offensive skill set, Im not even looking at them as an option for an early 1st round pick.

[clyde21]

rough top 8 for me right now, obv disclaimer that it's still way too early.

1 Chet Holmgren
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Jabari Smith Jr.

4 Nikola Jovic
5 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
6 Caleb Houstan
7 Kendall Brown
8 Ousmane Dieng

[DCasey91]

no one is disputing Duren outside the top10, this whole convo started when you said hes top 5 and that was proof that this class was 'better off the rip' than last year's.

also I don't get the Turner comp, Turner showed considerable ball skills/shooting ability as a FS big, still early but JD hasn't really shown any of it at this point in a scalable way.

people fall into this trap literally every year it's so odd.

I didn’t say he was top 5 look earlier I said I was naming names that’s all. I also said the top 5 was a wait and see (question mark) the top 3 is sound. I also said don’t get it confused, it’s fluid the top ten which I also mentioned before. It’s rarely static and there’ll be prospects that don’t make it picked that high it’s normal.

The difference is:

Between Cade/Green/Mobley and Chet/Banch/Smith Jr I prefer this one to the other.

Same running gait and same trajectory (start inside then Durens works outside sort of deal) if he gets close to 70% FT there’s something workable there long term imo.

[Duke4life831]

My end of week 1 rankings

Jabari
Paolo
Chet
Ivey
Baldwin
Hardy
Collins (my sleeper)

Too lazy at the moment to dig any deeper than these guys at the moment.

[babyjax13]

My end of week 1 rankings

Jabari
Paolo
Chet
Ivey
Baldwin
Hardy
Collins (my sleeper)

Too lazy at the moment to dig any deeper than these guys at the moment.

I might end up team Jabari for first pick, as well. He is so much more athletic and fluid than I thought.

[CptCrunch]

So some of these are based on stats, performance, interviews, skill set, NBA archetype in the league, others on 'feels'.

Players I like:
Jabari Smith
Wendell Moore (he is going lotto)

Players I dislike:
Patrick Baldwin Jr
Jalen Duren
Jalen Hardy
Ty Ty Washington

#1 pick today:
Paolo -> Jabari -> Chet

[NYPiston]

My end of week 1 rankings

Jabari
Paolo
Chet
Ivey
Baldwin
Hardy
Collins (my sleeper)

Too lazy at the moment to dig any deeper than these guys at the moment.

Somebody finally mentioning Ivey. People are sleeping on this kid, some not having him in the top 10 even. He's a prime candidate to be a riser in this draft. Athletic big guard who can shoot, facilitate, defend and is not afraid of the big moment. High character kid too, scouts are going to fall in love with him as the season wears on.

[TraBuch]

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

[Duke4life831]

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

I will be straight forward, I have been one of Moore’s biggest detractors. Being a die hard Duke fan, he has brought Greg Paulus level of frustration watching Duke games the last two years.

But with that said he’s been playing very well to start the year. I think he has 2 big question marks with his game though.

#1. That jumpshot is garbage. 28% from 3 for his career at Duke (28% this year as well). He’s been a good FT shooter though. But his form is pretty weak and not the most repeatable form.

#2. He’s been a bad facilitator up until this year. He was a 2 assist to 2 turnover guy up until the start of this year. Now this year he has been good so far. But 2 of the 3 games has been against garbage opponents. So it will be interesting to see if his facilitating holds up under consistent good opposition.

So if he can keep up the facilitating, get his 3pt shot to at least like 33% and show some progression with it. With his size and good athleticism, I can see him turning himself into a 1st round pick. But those are still 2 big questions he needs to answer this year.

[Duke4life831]

My end of week 1 rankings

Jabari
Paolo
Chet
Ivey
Baldwin
Hardy
Collins (my sleeper)

Too lazy at the moment to dig any deeper than these guys at the moment.

Somebody finally mentioning Ivey. People are sleeping on this kid, some not having him in the top 10 even. He's a prime candidate to be a riser in this draft. Athletic big guard who can shoot, facilitate, defend and is not afraid of the big moment. High character kid too, scouts are going to fall in love with him as the season wears on.

I get the hesitation on Ivey. I don’t know if he can shoot. Last year he was a 39/25/72 shooter. 2 games in he’s still only shooting 33% from 3 and let’s see what all his shooting numbers look like once the season gets going.

But I like him, he has solid size for a guard. He might be De’Aaron Fox fast out there. His athleticism, especially his speed and quickness is ridiculous. His shooting production hasn’t been there, but I don’t think his form is all that bad or not fixable.

If my team took him in the latter half of the top 10 I wouldn’t be against it. I like the potential:bust ratio for him in the latter half of the top 10 at the moment.

[NYPiston]

I get the hesitation on Ivey. I don’t know if he can shoot. Last year he was a 39/25/72 shooter. 2 games in he’s still only shooting 33% from 3 and let’s see what all his shooting numbers look like once the season gets going.

But I like him, he has solid size for a guard. He might be De’Aaron Fox fast out there. His athleticism, especially his speed and quickness is ridiculous. His shooting production hasn’t been there, but I don’t think his form is all that bad or not fixable.

If my team took him in the latter half of the top 10 I wouldn’t be against it. I like the potential:bust ratio for him in the latter half of the top 10 at the moment.

Agreed and I should clarify my earlier post. I meant to say "scorer", not "shooter" as in him being an efficient shooter yet but as you said, he has the form to improve that in time. I love his attitude and attack mentality, I think it'll take him and Purdue far.

[clyde21]

rough top 8 for me right now, obv disclaimer that it's still way too early.

1 Chet Holmgren
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Jabari Smith Jr.

4 Nikola Jovic
5 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
6 Caleb Houstan
7 Kendall Brown
8 Ousmane Dieng

boom

15/8/10 with 2stls and 2blks

if his playmaking is real and not an anomaly lookout.

[clyde21]

Baylor might have 3 dudes taken in the top25 this yr

[CptCrunch]

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

I will be straight forward, I have been one of Moore’s biggest detractors. Being a die hard Duke fan, he has brought Greg Paulus level of frustration watching Duke games the last two years.

But with that said he’s been playing very well to start the year. I think he has 2 big question marks with his game though.

#1. That jumpshot is garbage. 28% from 3 for his career at Duke (28% this year as well). He’s been a good FT shooter though. But his form is pretty weak and not the most repeatable form.

#2. He’s been a bad facilitator up until this year. He was a 2 assist to 2 turnover guy up until the start of this year. Now this year he has been good so far. But 2 of the 3 games has been against garbage opponents. So it will be interesting to see if his facilitating holds up under consistent good opposition.

So if he can keep up the facilitating, get his 3pt shot to at least like 33% and show some progression with it. With his size and good athleticism, I can see him turning himself into a 1st round pick. But those are still 2 big questions he needs to answer this year.

I am mocking him based on his improved play making. If he puts up 1X pts /6 ast/6 reb/ 2 tov, I don't see how he doesn't get drafted in the lotto for his point guard skills. 6 assist to 2 tov is really nice in college btw. Those are CP3, Conley, Lowry kind of stats.

Nice sized player for a point guard. All the recruiting services had him as a SF. Maybe his natural calling is a 6'5" point guard.

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

Good points, he is basically the same age as Cade Cunningham (7 days apart) and rest of the 20 year old rookie.

[DCasey91]

I too am hesitant on both Ivey and Hardy. Ivey is more Schroder than Morant and Hardy lacks variety for a guard. G League is still grain in salt for me

Though Fox is a good comp but I don’t rate him.

I’m meh on the guards overall, the PF/Wings are fantastic though so far.

Whoever mentioned Collins damn, mentioned earlier but he has scary upside.

[clyde21]

this is a terrible PG/SG class overall aside from a few names, nothing really super exciting.

[Duke4life831]

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

I will be straight forward, I have been one of Moore’s biggest detractors. Being a die hard Duke fan, he has brought Greg Paulus level of frustration watching Duke games the last two years.

But with that said he’s been playing very well to start the year. I think he has 2 big question marks with his game though.

#1. That jumpshot is garbage. 28% from 3 for his career at Duke (28% this year as well). He’s been a good FT shooter though. But his form is pretty weak and not the most repeatable form.

#2. He’s been a bad facilitator up until this year. He was a 2 assist to 2 turnover guy up until the start of this year. Now this year he has been good so far. But 2 of the 3 games has been against garbage opponents. So it will be interesting to see if his facilitating holds up under consistent good opposition.

So if he can keep up the facilitating, get his 3pt shot to at least like 33% and show some progression with it. With his size and good athleticism, I can see him turning himself into a 1st round pick. But those are still 2 big questions he needs to answer this year.

I am mocking him based on his improved play making. If he puts up 1X pts /6 ast/6 reb/ 2 tov, I don't see how he doesn't get drafted in the lotto for his point guard skills. 6 assist to 2 tov is really nice in college btw. Those are CP3, Conley, Lowry kind of stats.

Nice sized player for a point guard. All the recruiting services had him as a SF. Maybe his natural calling is a 6'5" point guard.

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

Good points, he is basically the same age as Cade Cunningham (7 days apart) and rest of the 20 year old rookie.

I get that. But what I’m saying is we don’t know how much he’s improved with his facilitating. 2 of the 3 games have been against bad opponents. Against UK he had 3 assists to 3 turnovers. 15 of his 18 assists have come against Army and Campbell.

So I’m just saying I think it’s a little premature to project his facilitating based off of 3 games where 2 of the 3 games were against bad opponents and his 1 game against a good team he put up 3:3. And again we are talking about a guy with a really bad jumpshot.

Don’t get me wrong I would love to see him keep this up. If he ends up being a 6 assist to 2 turnovers kind of guy, that means this Duke team is going to have one hell of a year. But we tend to do this every year. We get excited about how these guys look against horrible competition then they come crashing down to earth once conference play begins.

[DCasey91]

this is a terrible PG/SG class overall aside from a few names

Clyde you follow it more than I do, what do you think of Baldwin? Can’t get a clear read of how good he is. Is he overrated? He’s like a classier Kuzma or a smarter MPJ in Kuzma’s body.

Love Houstan though he reminds me of Allan Houston abit. Such a pleasing game to him

[clyde21]

this is a terrible PG/SG class overall aside from a few names

Clyde you follow it more than I do, what do you think of Baldwin? Can’t get a clear read of how good he is. Is he overrated? He’s like a classier Kuzma or a smarter MPJ in Kuzma’s body.

Love Houstan though he reminds me of Allan Houston abit. Such a pleasing game to him

he's got all the requisite tools and skills to be a starting 4 in the league, biggest ? mark is what's he gonna do defensively for you, if he's not a switch guy what's gonna happen to him in the post if he's asked to defend bigger/stronger dude, can he provide any help protection at the rim, etc.

really same positional questions as Paolo for me, but instead of if he's able to move up a position at the 5 it's if he's able to move down and play the 3 at a high level, I don't know if he's a good enough athlete to consistently do it but it's a tbd. if he's pigeon holed at the 4 it'll probably drive his value down a bit.

[jman3134]

rough top 8 for me right now, obv disclaimer that it's still way too early.

1 Chet Holmgren
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Jabari Smith Jr.

4 Nikola Jovic
5 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
6 Caleb Houstan
7 Kendall Brown
8 Ousmane Dieng

boom

15/8/10 with 2stls and 2blks

if his playmaking is real and not an anomaly lookout.

Saw the game - was very impressive. He's clearly a lotto talent, but the shooting is obviously going to have to come along. Most of his points came on run outs in transition, but his vision and fluidity are what stand out to me. Those, in and of themselves, are projectable moving forward.

The assists were mostly in transition, but this offense really caters to a big/fast guard like him because everyone is constantly looking off ball or to hit cutting lanes. He made a few halfcourt plays to cutters.

The turnovers he had were bad, but expected given how early we are in the college season. Shooting stroke is going to be the biggest question mark. Could be top 10 - I agree. Also really like how Jeremy Sochan played. I wonder if he can keep filling it up on the perimeter - he's probably even more raw, but just a huge upside case.