AJ Dybantsa

[nbafan781]

He was leading a threadbare Celtics team to contention this year,

There's five guys on the Celtics who bring more value to the team than does Brown. And that's not even counting the coach.

Too many made up stats used for your convenience. Brown is scoring double/triple as much as Hauser and Pritchard at same efficiency yet they have “more impact”. Derrick White as having one of the worst offensive seasons ever and Queta lmao. You can’t be serious. I guess Jokic should’ve been nowhere near mvp contention Given that nuggets looked just fine without him and some may argue even better. Celtics were projected to be a loterry team and mazulla was bashed as overrated and most of you thought there was no way Brown could carry the charge. It’s ok to admit that you were flat out wrong. Now that said, Dybantsa plays nothing like Brown in playstyle or offensive impact. Brown has struggled to dribble and finish with left, Dybantsa can finish with both and dribble with both. Dybantsa’s whole game is based on counter moves and footwork rather than just raw athleticism. Some of these comparisons throughout the thread make 0 sense when preseason a ton of you assumed Dybantsa would struggle in the half court but the very opposite happened. Not only that, Dybantsa is all time great at the rim which makes the comparison null and void. Lastly, Dybantsa objectively speaking is probably the most doubled/triple teamed player in the last decade, I’ll try to find stats to back it up but Dybantsa experienced way less single coverage than anyone in this current draft or the last draft for that matter. It’s interesting how Dybantsa is more efficient than Peterson and Flagg while having much worse teammates yet somehow Dybantsa gets nitpicked on everything. Hmmmmm

[ReggiesKnicks]

He was leading a threadbare Celtics team to contention this year,

There's five guys on the Celtics who bring more value to the team than does Brown. And that's not even counting the coach.

Too many made up stats used for your convenience. Brown is scoring double/triple as much as Hauser and Pritchard at same efficiency yet they have “more impact”. Derrick White as having one of the worst offensive seasons ever and Queta lmao. You can’t be serious. I guess Jokic should’ve been nowhere near mvp contention Given that nuggets looked just fine without him and some may argue even better. Celtics were projected to be a loterry team and mazulla was bashed as overrated and most of you thought there was no way Brown could carry the charge. It’s ok to admit that you were flat out wrong. Now that said, Dybantsa plays nothing like Brown in playstyle or offensive impact. Brown has struggled to dribble and finish with left, Dybantsa can finish with both and dribble with both. Dybantsa’s whole game is based on counter moves and footwork rather than just raw athleticism. Some of these comparisons throughout the thread make 0 sense when preseason a ton of you assumed Dybantsa would struggle in the half court but the very opposite happened. Not only that, Dybantsa is all time great at the rim which makes the comparison null and void. Lastly, Dybantsa objectively speaking is probably the most doubled/triple teamed player in the last decade, I’ll try to find stats to back it up but Dybantsa experienced way less single coverage than anyone in this current draft or the last draft for that matter. It’s interesting how Dybantsa is more efficient than Peterson and Flagg while having much worse teammates yet somehow Dybantsa gets nitpicked on everything. Hmmmmm

You shouldn't be quoting Jokic here. Jokic looks phenomenal in EPM, always has.

[Upperclass]

I dont think people are really understanding how good AJ is.. He is imo the best Wing prospect since LeBron and will at some point be the best player in the league.. yes.. better than Wemby, who's issue will always be staying on the floor consistently, more well rounded than Luka.. Jokic and Giannis will be far out of their primes by the time AJ is entering his obviously

[ReggiesKnicks]

I dont think people are really understanding how good AJ is.. He is imo the best Wing prospect since LeBron and will at some point be the best player in the league.. yes.. better than Wemby, who's issue will always be staying on the floor consistently, more well rounded than Luka.. Jokic and Giannis will be far out of their primes by the time AJ is entering his obviously

I have him a tier below Flagg. So he isn't the best wing prospect in the past 10 months for me

[Upperclass]

I dont think people are really understanding how good AJ is.. He is imo the best Wing prospect since LeBron and will at some point be the best player in the league.. yes.. better than Wemby, who's issue will always be staying on the floor consistently, more well rounded than Luka.. Jokic and Giannis will be far out of their primes by the time AJ is entering his obviously

I have him a tier below Flagg. So he isn't the best wing prospect in the past 10 months for me

Flagg is phenomenal but he doesnt do anything on offense better than AJ and the defense will be negligible the more consistent Flagg becomes on O

[BAMAFREAK]

I dont think people are really understanding how good AJ is.. He is imo the best Wing prospect since LeBron and will at some point be the best player in the league.. yes.. better than Wemby, who's issue will always be staying on the floor consistently, more well rounded than Luka.. Jokic and Giannis will be far out of their primes by the time AJ is entering his obviously

I have him a tier below Flagg. So he isn't the best wing prospect in the past 10 months for me

Maybe as an all around prospect, but as a natural scorer, I’m a frame that is a mix of KD and LeBron, AJ has the potential to be the best scorer on the game. So either way, pretty close, just different strengths

[ReggiesKnicks]

I dont think people are really understanding how good AJ is.. He is imo the best Wing prospect since LeBron and will at some point be the best player in the league.. yes.. better than Wemby, who's issue will always be staying on the floor consistently, more well rounded than Luka.. Jokic and Giannis will be far out of their primes by the time AJ is entering his obviously

I have him a tier below Flagg. So he isn't the best wing prospect in the past 10 months for me

Maybe as an all around prospect, but as a natural scorer, I’m a frame that is a mix of KD and LeBron, AJ has the potential to be the best scorer on the game. So either way, pretty close, just different strengths

The context is wing prospect, not scorer.

It's worth pointing out they are the same age. Flagg was a year younger when in college.

We will see who the better scorer is in the 2027 NBA season.

[JMAC3]

I think Flagg is better than any prospect in this draft. AJ has the best chance to better than him imo, but I would still take Flagg who has already had success in the NBA and will likely be a very good two way wing for a long time.

[Caneman786]

the defense will be negligible the more consistent Flagg becomes on O

Why wouldn't Flagg being a better defender at every level so far show no translation to the pros? Flagg already has a usage rate of 26%.

And next year Kyrie is coming back.

[tontoz]

AJ to DC

[Upperclass]

He’s headed to the Jazz similar to the Celts/Sixers swap

[jangles86]

I’m taking Dybantsa over Flagg

[tmorgan]

I don’t get it, folks. Is it just his low 3p% this year?

He set the single game scoring record for 18 and 19 year olds. He’s already a solid defender as a teenager. He played on a poor team with few other threats to draw serious attention most of the year. He can pass. His turnover percentage (10.7%) was extremely low for someone tasked to run the offense a decent portion of the time.

And he’s 39 days older than Dybantsa.

You guys that prefer AJ think he’s a MVP contender on his rookie deal or something? If you do, OK I guess, but if not, taking him over Flagg is just plain crazy.

[CptCrunch]

I don't even have Dybantsa as a top 2 talent, possibly not even top 3, and here we have people taking him over Cooper or being the best since Lebron, it's insane.

I see zero case for him over Boozer.

He is the lowest feel prospect at the top tier (consensus Boozer, DP, AJ) with worst shooting, bad actual RAPM impact (zero), worst shot diet, worst shooting timing in terms of shot clock, worst steal, block among the top 3. His best attribute, his rate scoring isn't materially better than Boozer or DP.

http://vstatball.com?s=be2f84

[NO-KG-AI]

I still like AJ the best, but I think there is a better chance Boozer goes one than there is that Wilson goes before him.

[JMAC3]

Dybantsa lead the nation in scoring, measured nearly 6-10 in shoes with a 42 inch Vert. Also averaged nearly 4 assists a game which is incredibly high for a college wing, most elite college wings are lucky to average half of that.

BYU was bad they basically had 3 players and 1 of them got injuried half way through the year. Dybantsa was forced to carry his team every single night and if he played just okay they lost. So many college players are insulated to where their individual performance has so little say on wins and losses. Yaxel is great but Michigan was winning majority of games without him, same with Peterson- we have proof they were nearly as good if not better without him.

Allen Graves was a bench player, Swain was the 3rd best player on Texas.... AJ is getting underrated at this point if anything, not overrated.

[Chuck Everett]

Dybantsa lead the nation in scoring, measured nearly 6-10 in shoes with a 42 inch Vert. Also averaged nearly 4 assists a game which is incredibly high for a college wing, most elite college wings are lucky to average half of that.

BYU was bad they basically had 3 players and 1 of them got injuried half way through the year. Dybantsa was forced to carry his team every single night and if he played just okay they lost. So many college players are insulated to where their individual performance has so little say on wins and losses. Yaxel is great but Michigan was winning majority of games without him, same with Peterson- we have proof they were nearly as good if not better without him.

Allen Graves was a bench player, Swain was the 3rd best player on Texas.... AJ is getting underrated at this point if anything, not overrated.

And Richie Saunders wasn't the only player who went down with injuries. They lost two guards to season ending injuries in Baker and Pickens, and then lost bigger players in Staton and Kozlowski. How many teams have had five season ending injuries? That Dybantsa led them to the tournament in a top-heavy Big 12 is a miracle.

The team Egor Denim played on the year before was way better in the aggregate (and I like Denim a lot).

[Notanoob]

Dybantsa lead the nation in scoring, measured nearly 6-10 in shoes with a 42 inch Vert. Also averaged nearly 4 assists a game which is incredibly high for a college wing, most elite college wings are lucky to average half of that.

BYU was bad they basically had 3 players and 1 of them got injuried half way through the year. Dybantsa was forced to carry his team every single night and if he played just okay they lost. So many college players are insulated to where their individual performance has so little say on wins and losses. Yaxel is great but Michigan was winning majority of games without him, same with Peterson- we have proof they were nearly as good if not better without him.

Allen Graves was a bench player, Swain was the 3rd best player on Texas.... AJ is getting underrated at this point if anything, not overrated.

AJ didn't play defense when BYU was fully healthy and he didn't play much defense before college either. Being a one-way player is a problem even if he's a great scorer. Everyone's concern about Boozer is that he doesn't defend the rim and can't keep up on the perimeter ie he'll be a one-way player as well, but he showed way better instincts on defense than AJ ever has.

With AJ you're just sort of hoping that with his size and athleticism he'll become solid on-ball and just won't get you killed off-ball, but when you don't see those instincts it matters. Guys like Zach Lavine have the athleticism to play defense and even put in effort but it just never came together because he just doesn't have feel for whats going on on that end of the court.

[JMAC3]

Dybantsa lead the nation in scoring, measured nearly 6-10 in shoes with a 42 inch Vert. Also averaged nearly 4 assists a game which is incredibly high for a college wing, most elite college wings are lucky to average half of that.

BYU was bad they basically had 3 players and 1 of them got injuried half way through the year. Dybantsa was forced to carry his team every single night and if he played just okay they lost. So many college players are insulated to where their individual performance has so little say on wins and losses. Yaxel is great but Michigan was winning majority of games without him, same with Peterson- we have proof they were nearly as good if not better without him.

Allen Graves was a bench player, Swain was the 3rd best player on Texas.... AJ is getting underrated at this point if anything, not overrated.

AJ didn't play defense when BYU was fully healthy and he didn't play much defense before college either. Being a one-way player is a problem even if he's a great scorer. Everyone's concern about Boozer is that he doesn't defend the rim and can't keep up on the perimeter ie he'll be a one-way player as well, but he showed way better instincts on defense than AJ ever has.

With AJ you're just sort of hoping that with his size and athleticism he'll become solid on-ball and just won't get you killed off-ball, but when you don't see those instincts it matters. Guys like Zach Lavine have the athleticism to play defense and even put in effort but it just never came together because he just doesn't have feel for whats going on on that end of the court.

AJ is going to play the 3, it is much easier to hide him on players and he is more switchable defender than a lumbering big. AJ also won't really be counted on to defend the rim, if you are projecting as a 4/5 like Boozer rim protection is more of a needed skill.

Scottie Barnes had 11 blocks in college.
Jalen Williams had 17,11 and 18 his three seasons.

Yet everyone is going to fixate on Dybantsa block numbers this year when in the past we didn't care at all for other players. Remember when CJ Stroud S2 score was all that was talked about? It hasn't been mentioned before or after for any other draft class. People latch onto something and assign it value but there is no consistency to why it matters from year to year.

Barnes and Williams are all defensive players in NBA. Playing defense without fouling is all that really matters in terms of winning games, Dybantsa being on the floor for 35 minutes is more valuable to BYU then him having two blocks but playing 29 mins with a bunch of fouls. It is the same with Acuff, both their teams needed their offense more then they needed an extra stock per game.

[FrodoBaggins]

I don't even have Dybantsa as a top 2 talent, possibly not even top 3, and here we have people taking him over Cooper or being the best since Lebron, it's insane.

I see zero case for him over Boozer.

He is the lowest feel prospect at the top tier (consensus Boozer, DP, AJ) with worst shooting, bad actual RAPM impact (zero), worst shot diet, worst shooting timing in terms of shot clock, worst steal, block among the top 3. His best attribute, his rate scoring isn't materially better than Boozer or DP.

http://vstatball.com?s=be2f84

Sounds like a bigger, more athletic DeMar DeRozan.