All Things Luka Doncic

[XTraderXL]

How am i beeing naive by saying Madrids interest is to let doncic shine for those 2 years he will be in madrid. He will for shure be in madrid this season. And to get him to get on board for an aditional season, they will have to offer him good money and a leading role. Thats the only thing that could keep him in madrid after this season.

How will they be twisting his arms is what i dont get? Real is a big club, so are the lakers but they would sell half of their team to make lonzo ball a 19 year old kid the new franchise player. And again soccer and ronaldo have 0 to do with this topic

In my opinion

The problem is they already offer him all this in February. And he still didn't sign. .

Why do you see this as a problem? Doncic holds all the cards in this situation. Real has to give him minutes, he is not some kid who teams play just to get some exposure and experience like Barca did with Hezonja. They had other guys that could take his minutes so there was no difference if he played or not. Doncic was one of the best players of Real last season, when he didnt play well Real always lost against good teams. They couldnt win a game without Doncic playing well.

They need him to play otherwise they will be worse, especially now that Llull is out. Doncic signed with Bill Duffy who knows exactly what he is doing. I am sure they are working on a deal. Its not in his best interest for Doncic not to play or not get enough minutes. If you think Real will not play him, you are 100% wrong. I think he will be the most important player or Madrid this year and one of the best players in Euroleague and that is not the player any team can afford not to play because he will leave after the season. That would be idiotic and Laso would be fired by December.

[Bob8]

It's in interest of both parties that Doncic plays. And because of that Real will do anything possible that Doncic sign 2+1. Do you really think it goes like that, "Doncic will you sign new 3 year contract? No. Ok, no problem, we really need you this year and than good luck in Nba." I don't think they will necessarily bench him, but there some more subtle ways to show him what can happen.
Btw. Wanamaker had the same idea, Fener offered him 2 years contract, but he wanted opt Nba out after first year. Obradovic didn't want to hear about it and he stayed in Darussafaka, despite Fener needs him very much after Bogdanovic's departure. And don't forget Darussafaka is new sponsor of Fener.

[Mrnjav]

where are you guys able to watch these games? I can never find anything resembling a schedule or a stream

Well I was sitting in the arena and watching live

[XTraderXL]

It's in interest of both parties that Doncic plays. And because of that Real will do anything possible that Doncic sign 2+1. Do you really think it goes like that, "Doncic will you sign new 3 year contract? No. Ok, no problem, we really need you this year and than good luck in Nba." I don't think they will necessarily bench him, but there some more subtle ways to show him what can happen.
Btw. Wanamaker had the same idea, Fener offered him 2 years contract, but he wanted opt Nba out after first year. Obradovic didn't want to hear about it and he stayed in Darussafaka, despite Fener needs him very much after Bogdanovic's departure.

Thats exactly how it goes. What else are they going to do? They will not bench him, they will not loan him, they can only limit his minutes but that hurts the team and the coach more than Luka and no top prospect will ever want to go to Real in the future... Why do you think he signed Duffy in the middle of last season? It was not so he can get a 2+1 year deal, it was to get the best deal to go to the NBA as soon as possible.

Btw, what are the other subtle ways to show him what can happen? They will cut his salary?))

[Bob8]

It's in interest of both parties that Doncic plays. And because of that Real will do anything possible that Doncic sign 2+1. Do you really think it goes like that, "Doncic will you sign new 3 year contract? No. Ok, no problem, we really need you this year and than good luck in Nba." I don't think they will necessarily bench him, but there some more subtle ways to show him what can happen.
Btw. Wanamaker had the same idea, Fener offered him 2 years contract, but he wanted opt Nba out after first year. Obradovic didn't want to hear about it and he stayed in Darussafaka, despite Fener needs him very much after Bogdanovic's departure.

Thats exactly how it goes. What else are they going to do? They will not bench him, they will not loan him, they can only limit his minutes but that hurts the team and the coach more than Luka and no top prospect will ever want to go to Real in the future... Why do you think he signed Duffy in the middle of last season? It was not so he can get a 2+1 year deal, it was to get the best deal to go to the NBA as soon as possible.

Btw, what are the other subtle ways to show him what can happen? They will cut his salary?))

Now you exaggerate Doncic's importance. They didn't win anything last year with Llull and now they will win Euroleague with 18 years old kid running offense? Do you know how more exhausting is to run offense for 30 minutes per game? 80+ games. Nobody with 18 years can do that. It's physical and mentally impossible. Real can easy cut his minutes on last year volume, try with Campazzo or eventually buy another Pg. They won't win anything either way. If in some crazy case Doncic will run Real's offense and win Euroleague then he's for sure far the best player in Nba draft, not only this year but in last decade.

[XTraderXL]

You didnt answer my question. What are the other subtle ways tho show him what can happen? That was your statement and I would like to know what you meant by that.
Besides, who said anything about him running the team the whole time he is on the floor? We see he can play 30 min per game with the national team and he will probably not be playing as much in Madrid anyways. Luka this season would be as valuable to the team (or almost) as Llull given the same PT and it makes no sense to limit that kind of player.

Your premise is that Real will be vindictive if Doncic doesnt sign a long term contract and that would be stupid on their part. They know he will leave sooner or later and they will want to maximize him while they still can. Real is not in the business of developing players, they are in the business of winning and Luka was one of the most important players of the team last year already.

I also dont understand one thing. For the past 2 weeks you were claiming Luka is a better player than Dragic. Dragic is running an NBA team for 36 min ever night for 82 games in the NBA. How come Luka cant play for 30 min in Eurleague if he is better than Dragic?
I really hope you answer all my questions in your next post.

[Bob8]

You didnt answer my question. What are the other subtle ways tho show him what can happen? That was your statement and I would like to know what you meant by that.
Besides, who said anything about him running the team the whole time he is on the floor? We see he can play 30 min per game with the national team and he will not be playing as much in Madrid. Luka this season would be as valuable to the team (or almost) as Llull given the same PT and it makes no sense to limit that kind of player.

Your premise is that Real will be vindictive if Doncic doesnt sign a long term contract and that would be stupid on their part. They know he will leave sooner or later and they will want to maximize him while they still can. Real is not in the business of developing players, they are in the business of winning and Luka was one of the most important players of the team last year already.

I also dont understand one thing. For the past 2 weeks you were claiming Luka is a better player than Dragic. Dragic is running an NBA team for 36 min ever night for 82 games in the NBA. How come Luka cant play for 30 min in Eurleague if he is better than Dragic?
I really hope you answer all my questions in your next post.

I never said Doncic is a better player. I said he's better shooter, rebounder and assistant. Not the same thing. Doncic is not prepared mentally or physically to be a leader for the full season in the team like Real. Defenses were focused on Llull last year. One thing is to be very good as backup for Llull and have some good games and even last year he totally disappeared in the end.

Like I said they don't need to bench him entirely, but they don't need to develop him either. It's Doncic decision after all. No contract, no important role. No player is bigger than Real. And don't forget they have invested a lot in Luka, not many young players in Euroleague had that many opportunities. They for sure expect he will stay some more time. Do you think any Nba team will develop Doncic, if they new he will be gone next year? Real can develop Yusta, buy someone else and develop him, or just buy some ex Nba player who will lose contract, if Doncic doesn't sign a contract. Without Llull they're hardly in contest for a title. But my guess is he will be in Real at least 2 more years.

[XTraderXL]

You keep forgetting Doncic is not a project anymore. He is a player with added value and he contributes in a big way. He didint sign a contract yet which means there is some set buyout that another EL team can pay and it is not too big. Fener can easily pay that, give him minutes and let him go to NBA after a year.

What have they invested in Doncic money wise? He was living with his team mates in a student accommodation until 16, then he moved in with his mother. He got a little bit of money and thats it. For Real, paying a 1 year contract to a veteran who will have Lukas impact is much more expensive than the last 5 years of his development cost them. They will use him as a high impact player and thats it. Why would they go and develop Yusta if he is not on his level? Right now its better for Yustas development to play heavy minutes in ACB on loan than to get 5 min per game in Real. How will he develop with that kind of playing time?

You really need to see the bigger picture which I think you keep missing. Trust me, he will have an important role in Madrid with a 1-year, 2-year or 5-year contract this season and play more minutes than last year.

[Bob8]

You keep forgetting Doncic is not a project anymore. He is a player with added value and he contributes in a big way. He didint sign a contract yet which means there is some set buyout that another EL team can pay and it is not too big. Fener can easily pay that, give him minutes and let him go to NBA after a year.

What have they invested in Doncic money wise? He was living with his team mates in a student accommodation until 16, then he moved in with his mother. He got a little bit of money and thats it. For Real, paying a 1 year contract to a veteran who will have Lukas impact is much more expensive than the last 5 years of his development cost them. They will use him as a high impact player and thats it. Why would they go and develop Yusta if he is not on his level? Right now its better for Yustas development to play heavy minutes in ACB on loan than to get 5 min per game in Real. How will he develop with that kind of playing time?

You really need to see the bigger picture which I think you keep missing. Trust me, he will have an important role in Madrid with a 1-year, 2-year or 5-year contract this season and play more minutes than last year.

Yusta is playing in first team this year. Obradovic could have Wanamaker, Darussafaka is new sponsor of Fenerbahce, for one year, but he didn't want to sign him for only 1 year. I don't believe in rumors about Doncic and Fener. Obradovic is playing totally different system than Laso, everything is set, normally players need 1 season to adapt.
Maybe you're right, but I think they will put pressure on Doncic to sign 2+1 contract. It's not about money, they gave him huge opportunity last year, yes he took it fantastically, but still Real and Laso gave him something you can't buy. And we have to understand, you expect something more than 1 season for investment like that. Just look at Llull's case. What kind of Nba offers he refused. I'm pretty sure disappointed will be huge if he won't stay at least 1 season more and like I said no player is bigger than Real.

[XTraderXL]

So what is the difference between playing Doncic for 1 more season or buying another guy for 1 season and pay him 3x as much? You will have both of them for 1 year, does that mean you will not play them? Doncic should be one of the top players in EL this season and those players dont grow on trees. Even last year Real wansnt able to win important games if Luka didnt play well, this season it will be even more obvious as Llull is out. Will they risk their season just because they will be offended he wants to go to NBA? That would be the most idiotic thing they could do.

As he didnt sign the contract yet, I am positive that his agent wants guarantees from Real that the thing you are talking about will not happen. If/when he signs a contract, there will be some stipulations for sure. Otherwise he can go to almost any other EL team which will offer him a good deal in terms of PT for a relatively small buyout. His agent will not risk his draft position as it also means extra money for him.

If you dont understand what I am trying to tell you, I give up. I dont know how else to explain. We will just have to wait and see for about 6 more weeks.

[Bob8]

So what is the difference between playing Doncic for 1 more season or buying another guy for 1 season and pay him 3x as much? You will have both of them for 1 year, does that mean you will not play them? Doncic should be one of the top players in EL this season and those players dont grow on trees. Even last year Real wansnt able to win important games if Luka didnt play well, this season it will be even more obvious as Llull is out. Will they risk their season just because they will be offended he wants to go to NBA? That would be the most idiotic thing they could do.

As he didnt sign the contract yet, I am positive that his agent wants guarantees from Real that the thing you are talking about will not happen. If/when he signs a contract, there will be some stipulations for sure. Otherwise he can go to almost any other EL team which will offer him a good deal in terms of PT for a relatively small buyout. His agent will not risk his draft position as it also means extra money for him.

If you dont understand what I am trying to tell you, I give up. I dont know how else to explain. We will just have to wait and see for about 6 more weeks.

I understand exactly, but you're taking this too easy. It's no free lunch in professional sports. He will sign or not, but no way things will be the same either way. I think he will sign new offer and be in Real at least 2 years more. And stop with this giving up bull****. Things are not always black or white.

[XTraderXL]

Actually you are the one who thinks its black or white. You said yourself either he stays for one more year and faces the consequences or signs for longer and get the playing time. Thats the definition of seeing things black or white:-)

You disregard all my arguments, I made at least 5 of them and you argue only the above. You havent answered any of my questions, thats why I said I give up. If you cant answer my questions which are based on your claims, then this debate is pointless. Your argument is poor, you keep saying things you cant back up when faced with questions, disregard them and repeat what you said 10 times already. Pointless.

[Bob8]

Actually you are the one who thinks its black or white. You said yourself either he stays for one more year and faces the consequences or signs for longer and get the playing time. Thats the definition of seeing things black or white:-)

You disregard all my arguments, I made at least 5 of them and you argue only the above. You havent answered any of my questions, thats why I said I give up. If you cant answer my questions which are based on your claims, then this debate is pointless. Your argument is poor, you keep saying things you cant back up when faced with questions, disregard them and repeat what you said 10 times already. Pointless.

What arguments? That they can't play if they don't give the leading role to Doncic. Of course they can. They probably won't win anything important, but they didn't win anything in last season too. And it's highly unlikely they can win with Doncic having leading role either. Llull's absence is too big. Argument that's better having Doncic for one year, than some other player? Probably yes. It depends how Doncic and this other player will play and what impacts will this new player have in next season. Doncic is 18 years old, he can easily have not the best season. Or the funny argument, how prospects won't anymore go to Real. Are you serious? Any kid in Europe will kill to go in Real, except kids from Barcelona of course. And there's one argument you can't understand, no one is playing in professional sport without contract, no one. And there's a reason clubs are giving to players long term contracts. Real's only objective is that Doncic sign new contract for as many years as possible. They don't care if he will have great numbers next few months. And let's say Doncic doesn't sign and Real play bad. Why should they give a lot of playing time to a player who will go in half a year? Why don't try in that kind of season give playing time to let's say Yusta and hope he can develop into a good player? To believe things won't change for Doncic in Real if he doesn't sign is just naive. This debate is pointless because you don't understand business side of sport. No contract, no more favors. But in the end he will sign and this debate will be really pointless.

[Derento]

What's the worse case scenario he signs with another euroleague team for one season?

[Bob8]

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What's the worse case scenario he signs with another euroleague team for one season?

Let's say he signs for Fener. Do you really think Obradovic will build a team around him for one season? I like Doncic, but he's not Lebron yet, to guarantee a title. His best option is to sign a contract and stays in Real for 2 more years.

[pacersGM]

BoB, you are giving foggy replys. everybody is asking you what cards does madrid hold in their hands to "twist doncics arms" and you dont give a clear answer.

facts: doncic is the golden child of european basketball. every euroleague team would give up 1/3 of their team to have him. even for a year.

teams dont take golden child players to guarantee trophys. its marketing also. jersey sales, filling arenas. if that player is also producing like doncic, its a win win.

real soccer and real basketball are two organisation within one. it it were the same, they be buying draymond green for a season or two at 20 mil a year. so they do care about the buyout money they get.

to lure doncic to stay for 2+ years they will of course offer him a bigger role this season. no doubt in the world.

if madrid thought it is good to slow him down, reduce his role (who in their right mind would want that??), doncic can go to slovenia and play for a 2 league team, and he would be a top 5 pick next year and get 4 mil a year guaranteed for 3 seasons.

so to sum it up. doncic has the upper hand here. shure he would love to stay in madrid for some time, but at the and it will be on his terms. 2-3 year contract with nba buyouts, and he will of cours play significant role.

any other manouver by madrid would be stupid, would have no purpose.

[Bob8]

BoB, you are giving foggy replys. everybody is asking you what cards does madrid hold in their hands to "twist doncics arms" and you dont give a clear answer.

facts: doncic is the golden child of european basketball. every euroleague team would give up 1/3 of their team to have him. even for a year.

teams dont take golden child players to guarantee trophys. its marketing also. jersey sales, filling arenas. if that player is also producing like doncic, its a win win.

real soccer and real basketball are two organisation within one. it it were the same, they be buying draymond green for a season or two at 20 mil a year. so they do care about the buyout money they get.

to lure doncic to stay for 2+ years they will of course offer him a bigger role this season. no doubt in the world.

if madrid thought it is good to slow him down, reduce his role (who in their right mind would want that??), doncic can go to slovenia and play for a 2 league team, and he would be a top 5 pick next year and get 4 mil a year guaranteed for 3 seasons.

so to sum it up. doncic has the upper hand here. shure he would love to stay in madrid for some time, but at the and it will be on his terms. 2-3 year contract with nba buyouts, and he will of cours play significant role.

any other manouver by madrid would be stupid, would have no purpose.

To start in the end. I'm saying exactly the same 2+1 contract. Now go to where we're at this moment. Let's say Doncic's team doesn't want to sign new contract without Nba out opt. First Real will try to persuade him with promises about bigger role and similar. He will maybe have a meeting with president Perez....He still doesn't want to sign. And now subtitle pressure starts. Llull is calling him and asking him what's with his contract and why he's not signing, how he needs him next season to win Euroleague together...Other teammates doing the same. Don't forget Doncic is nice 18 years old kid, who grew up in Real. Maybe he wants to go immediately in Nba, maybe not. But he for sure has doubts. And in the same time his agent for sure gets some signal from the club the things can change for Luka if he doesn't sign. Basketball experts with connections with Real, like Joe Arlauckas, suddenly giving interviews how is far the best for Luka to stay some more years in Real...So the pressure on Doncic mounts. In the end will be very difficult for Doncic to say no. The money is not the issue here, because 4 million in USA is after taxes something like 2.2 million, dollar slipping maybe even less;),and that Real for sure can pay. But if he will say no to Perez and Real, what I really doubt, golden boy status will disappear in a second. Journalists won't write only positive about him, every bad night of his will be more under scrutiny. Fans won't be 100% on his side anymore. You don't say no to Real without consequences. Maybe Laso won't tolerate his mistakes in defense that much, maybe in some games loyal Yusta will get more chances...We have to understand it's not only about Doncic it's about Real's organization. There're some things Real simply can't and won't allow. And to be honest to force someone who will go next year makes no sense in any way.

[XTraderXL]

BoB, you are giving foggy replys. everybody is asking you what cards does madrid hold in their hands to "twist doncics arms" and you dont give a clear answer.

facts: doncic is the golden child of european basketball. every euroleague team would give up 1/3 of their team to have him. even for a year.

teams dont take golden child players to guarantee trophys. its marketing also. jersey sales, filling arenas. if that player is also producing like doncic, its a win win.

real soccer and real basketball are two organisation within one. it it were the same, they be buying draymond green for a season or two at 20 mil a year. so they do care about the buyout money they get.

to lure doncic to stay for 2+ years they will of course offer him a bigger role this season. no doubt in the world.

if madrid thought it is good to slow him down, reduce his role (who in their right mind would want that??), doncic can go to slovenia and play for a 2 league team, and he would be a top 5 pick next year and get 4 mil a year guaranteed for 3 seasons.

so to sum it up. doncic has the upper hand here. shure he would love to stay in madrid for some time, but at the and it will be on his terms. 2-3 year contract with nba buyouts, and he will of cours play significant role.

any other manouver by madrid would be stupid, would have no purpose.

To start in the end. I'm saying exactly the same 2+1 contract. Now go to where we're at this moment. Let's say Doncic's team doesn't want to sign new contract without Nba out opt. First Real will try to persuade him with promises about bigger role and similar. He will maybe have a meeting with president Perez....He still doesn't want to sign. And now subtitle pressure starts. Llull is calling him and asking him what's with his contract and why he's not signing, how he needs him next season to win Euroleague together...Other teammates doing the same. Don't forget Doncic is nice 18 years old kid, who grew up in Real. Maybe he wants to go immediately in Nba, maybe not. But he for sure has doubts. And in the same time his agent for sure gets some signal from the club the things can change for Luka if he doesn't sign. Basketball experts with connections with Real, like Joe Arlauckas, suddenly giving interviews how is far the best for Luka to stay some more years in Real...So the pressure on Doncic mounts. In the end will be very difficult for Doncic to say no. The money is not the issue here, because 4 million in USA is after taxes something like 2.2 million, dollar slipping maybe even less;),and that Real for sure can pay. But if he will say no to Perez and Real, what I really doubt, golden boy status will disappear in a second. Journalists won't write only positive about him, every bad night of his will be more under scrutiny. Fans won't be 100% on his side anymore. You don't say no to Real without consequences. Maybe Laso won't tolerate his mistakes in defense that much, maybe in some games loyal Yusta will get more chances...We have to understand it's not only about Doncic it's about Real's organization. There're some things Real simply can't and won't allow. And to be honest to force someone who will go next year makes no sense in any way.

Are you serious with this post?

Are you writing a book of some sorts? It reads like a made up novel. There are no facts in what you wrote, not even projections just some random stuff you came up with.

[Bob8]

BoB, you are giving foggy replys. everybody is asking you what cards does madrid hold in their hands to "twist doncics arms" and you dont give a clear answer.

facts: doncic is the golden child of european basketball. every euroleague team would give up 1/3 of their team to have him. even for a year.

teams dont take golden child players to guarantee trophys. its marketing also. jersey sales, filling arenas. if that player is also producing like doncic, its a win win.

real soccer and real basketball are two organisation within one. it it were the same, they be buying draymond green for a season or two at 20 mil a year. so they do care about the buyout money they get.

to lure doncic to stay for 2+ years they will of course offer him a bigger role this season. no doubt in the world.

if madrid thought it is good to slow him down, reduce his role (who in their right mind would want that??), doncic can go to slovenia and play for a 2 league team, and he would be a top 5 pick next year and get 4 mil a year guaranteed for 3 seasons.

so to sum it up. doncic has the upper hand here. shure he would love to stay in madrid for some time, but at the and it will be on his terms. 2-3 year contract with nba buyouts, and he will of cours play significant role.

any other manouver by madrid would be stupid, would have no purpose.

To start in the end. I'm saying exactly the same 2+1 contract. Now go to where we're at this moment. Let's say Doncic's team doesn't want to sign new contract without Nba out opt. First Real will try to persuade him with promises about bigger role and similar. He will maybe have a meeting with president Perez....He still doesn't want to sign. And now subtitle pressure starts. Llull is calling him and asking him what's with his contract and why he's not signing, how he needs him next season to win Euroleague together...Other teammates doing the same. Don't forget Doncic is nice 18 years old kid, who grew up in Real. Maybe he wants to go immediately in Nba, maybe not. But he for sure has doubts. And in the same time his agent for sure gets some signal from the club the things can change for Luka if he doesn't sign. Basketball experts with connections with Real, like Joe Arlauckas, suddenly giving interviews how is far the best for Luka to stay some more years in Real...So the pressure on Doncic mounts. In the end will be very difficult for Doncic to say no. The money is not the issue here, because 4 million in USA is after taxes something like 2.2 million, dollar slipping maybe even less;),and that Real for sure can pay. But if he will say no to Perez and Real, what I really doubt, golden boy status will disappear in a second. Journalists won't write only positive about him, every bad night of his will be more under scrutiny. Fans won't be 100% on his side anymore. You don't say no to Real without consequences. Maybe Laso won't tolerate his mistakes in defense that much, maybe in some games loyal Yusta will get more chances...We have to understand it's not only about Doncic it's about Real's organization. There're some things Real simply can't and won't allow. And to be honest to force someone who will go next year makes no sense in any way.

Are you serious with this post?

Are you writing a book of some sorts? It reads like a made up novel. There are no facts in what you wrote, not even projections just some random stuff you came up with.

You're right they will force Doncic no matter what, because he's such good kid.

First Euroleague Mvp without contract press.

[XTraderXL]

Who said anything about him being an MVP or not signing a contract? Where did I write any of this? Thats why there is no debating you, you cant even understand what I am talking about and then make up things as you go. The dispute is about the length of the contract not if he is going to sign. Mate, you dont realize certain things and then write posts like Llull will call him on the phone and ask him why he doesnt want to sign and how he needs him to win the EL hahaha

Like pacersGM told you earlier, your arguments are foggy.

One more thing. Why would they have to "force" his minutes? If they want to win games, they will have to play him. Its as simple as that. They will not win the EL, they wouldnt win it even if Llull was healthy. If they dont play Doncic, season will be even worse and Real cant allow that. What do you think is worse for Real, playing Doncic, win some games and have a decent season then let him go to the NBA or not play him, have a bad season and then he leaves? Besides, he is not just some young player. He is "the golden boy" of Euro basketball and if Real limits him, they will forever be known as the club which ruined the next big thing. There are many more negatives for Real if they limit or bench him than if they let him do his thing no matter what happens after the season. If he doesnt get the minutes this year, thats on Real Madrid and everyone knows that. If you dont get that, I dont know what else to tell you.