RJ Barrett

Showtime:Part2 · Post #541 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:38 am

He’s going to be an empty stats guy in the nba

HeadtopChunes · Post #542 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 1:34 pm

Looks like the collective opinion is pretty down on him.

Can’t say I disagree with your overall points tho.

I think for R.J. where he ends up will be very big. His bad habits will either be encouraged or improved.

HeadtopChunes · Post #543 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:41 pm

6 Made 3s yesterday.

Shooting 40% on 6 attempts in his last 5, and 38% over his last 10

Looks like a good sign to me

Ballerhogger · Post #544 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:24 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:He’s going to be an empty stats guy in the nba

Based off what?

RaptorsLife · Post #545 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:40 pm

I wish people would comparing him to wiggins or empty stat guys

This kid has the mental makeup of a guy wants to kill their opponents every time

There are players who play in flow and look invisible. RJ wants to stand and be great

Went undefeated last year of high school

Beat America in u-19 and won gold for Canada

The only bad thing about RJ is his effiency

He rebounds fantastic for 2 guard, plays defense and can pass. He just needs to pick his spots and better shot selection

Wiggins doesn’t give a damn about basketball

clyde21 · Post #546 » by **clyde21** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm

yea, comparisons to Wiggins are weird.

Wiggins looks like he doesn't even give a crap half the time, while RJ has a straight up killer mentality (sometimes to the detriment of his team, but that's another argument).

RipCity71252 · Post #547 » by **RipCity71252** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:00 pm

It's more of a Josh Jackson situation with RJ.

Skill level and athleticism are pretty overrated, but you bet on the mentality and work ethic to improve and be able to figure what works and what doesn't for them at the next level and where they can bring value to a team, even if it may take a while for them to get there.

King Ken · Post #548 » by **King Ken** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:37 am

RipCity71252 wrote:It's more of a Josh Jackson situation with RJ.

Skill level and athleticism is pretty overrated, but you bet on the mentality and work ethic to improve and be able to figure what works and what doesn't for them at the next level and where they can bring value to a team, even if it may take a while for them to get there.

His skill level and athletic ability is completely underrated and it's not even close.

clyde21 · Post #549 » by **clyde21** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:39 am

really seems like RJ went from being overrated to underrated really quickly.

I don't see the comparison to Josh at all. RJ's offensive game is much more sophisticated, while Jackson was a better defensive prospect.

I still think DeMar DeRozan is the best comp for him as an archetype

RipCity71252 · Post #550 » by **RipCity71252** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:13 am

clyde21 wrote:really seems like RJ went from being overrated to underrated really quickly.

I don't see the comparison to Josh at all. RJ's offensive game is much more sophisticated, while Jackson was a better defensive prospect.

I still think DeMar DeRozan is the best comp for him as an archetype

To be clear, the Josh Jackson comparison was not in terms of play style or skill set. They're clearly very different players in that respect.

pohani komarac · Post #551 » by **pohani komarac** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:20 am

I would compare him with Gilbert Arenas but more feel for the game and more team friendly game.

NotACat · Post #552 » by **NotACat** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:43 pm

I was in the camp that didn't think he was great earlier in the season, but I'm starting to come around. I still don't know how effective he'd be on a team where he won't be the primary offensive option, but I think the hold up for most people is how herky-jerky his movements are, especially his shot. Just doesn't seem fluid (not an pleasing aesthetic style of play, not necessarily bad or ineffective).

baca · Post #553 » by **baca** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:37 pm

Have to notice that RJ's 3 point shoot raise from non-conference 31% to 37%, FT throw from 69% to 74%... His efficiency and shooting is actually more reliable...As freshman, he did improve his efficiency during the season... The FT and 3 pt % is not a glaring hole level in ACC conference play...

Also, Zion's 3PT% in ACC is 40% with 0.9 made per game...Though not very productive and mostly spot shooting, he is not a non-shooter type player anymore...

Both RJ and Zion's shooting and feeling for the game actually improve during the season. Cam Reddish is not improving as much the other two...But the past 2-3 games it seems promising...

clyde21 · Post #554 » by **clyde21** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:48 pm

baca wrote:Have to notice that RJ's 3 point shoot raise from non-conference 31% to 37%, FT throw from 69% to 74%... His efficiency and shooting is actually more reliable...As freshman, he did improve his efficiency during the season... The FT and 3 pt % is not a glaring hole level in ACC conference play...

Also, Zion's 3PT% in ACC is 40% with 0.9 made per game...Though not very productive and mostly spot shooting, he is not a non-shooter type player anymore...

Both RJ and Zion's shooting and feeling for the game actually improve during the season. Cam Reddish is not improving as much the other two...But the past 2-3 games it seems promising...

Cam is shooting better too.

Non-conference: 33% from 3

Conference: 37.7% from 3

and 43% the last 4 games.

akhan786 · Post #555 » by **akhan786** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:51 pm

NotACat wrote:I was in the camp that didn't think he was great earlier in the season, but I'm starting to come around. I still don't know how effective he'd be on a team where he won't be the primary offensive option, but I think the hold up for most people is how herky-jerky his movements are, especially his shot. Just doesn't seem fluid (not an pleasing aesthetic style of play, not necessarily bad or ineffective).

I’d add his upright stiffness too makes him right now only capable of doing linear drives to the basket. He has no lateral creativity within the arc. For example, compare him to how smooth Tatum is.

I agree with the poster earlier. Until he proves he has a consistent NBA-distance 3 point shot, his comp should be Demar DeRozan.

But with the VERY big asterisk that DD wasn’t in the stratosphere of player RJ is at this age

MemphisX · Post #556 » by **MemphisX** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:10 pm

Dude has a lot of trouble beating guys off the dribble that he can't bully. I am not sure he can adjust to a reduced role in the NBA. I think he is the anti-Wiggins. He will be trying to do way more than his skill level and talent allow.

Post #557 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:41 pm

MemphisX wrote:Dude has a lot of trouble beating guys off the dribble that he can't bully. I am not sure he can adjust to a reduced role in the NBA. I think he is the anti-Wiggins. He will be trying to do way more than his skill level and talent allow.

Ya him trying to drive on Hunter was not a pretty sight. There is just 0 wiggle and lateral agility to him.

clyde21 · Post #558 » by **clyde21** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:51 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:Dude has a lot of trouble beating guys off the dribble that he can't bully. I am not sure he can adjust to a reduced role in the NBA. I think he is the anti-Wiggins. He will be trying to do way more than his skill level and talent allow.

Ya him trying to drive on Hunter was not a pretty sight. There is just 0 wiggle and lateral agility to him.

Hunter is a legit NBA level defender though and a very good prospect in his own right

Post #559 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:54 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:Dude has a lot of trouble beating guys off the dribble that he can't bully. I am not sure he can adjust to a reduced role in the NBA. I think he is the anti-Wiggins. He will be trying to do way more than his skill level and talent allow.

Ya him trying to drive on Hunter was not a pretty sight. There is just 0 wiggle and lateral agility to him.

Hunter is a legit NBA level defender though and a very good prospect in his own right

Oh without a doubt. Hunter does that to most guys he goes up against. But this has really been my biggest knock on RJ all season long. He really struggles to create space to get clean looks for himself in the half court.

RipCity71252 · Post #560 » by **RipCity71252** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:58 pm

akhan786 wrote:
NotACat wrote:I was in the camp that didn't think he was great earlier in the season, but I'm starting to come around. I still don't know how effective he'd be on a team where he won't be the primary offensive option, but I think the hold up for most people is how herky-jerky his movements are, especially his shot. Just doesn't seem fluid (not an pleasing aesthetic style of play, not necessarily bad or ineffective).

I’d add his upright stiffness too makes him right now only capable of doing linear drives to the basket. He has no lateral creativity within the arc. For example, compare him to how smooth Tatum is.

I agree with the poster earlier. Until he proves he has a consistent NBA-distance 3 point shot, his comp should be Demar DeRozan.

But with the VERY big asterisk that DD wasn’t in the stratosphere of player RJ is at this age

As far as production...I agree.

But the thing with DeMar is that what he excelled at at the college level (creating and finishing shots in the mid range) translated to the NBA due to his high release, fluidity and ability to hit shots fading away / from difficult angles. He was then able to build on that strength, improve as a playmaker and make some modest shooting improvements to become a more complete offensive player.

I think the question marks are different with RJ where people are concerned that his perceived strengths are not clearly translatable for many of the reasons people have already noted.