2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#541 » by stormi » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 am

If pick 28 isn't traded (reports are very likely it will be..) Tre Mann or Bones Hyland for me please and thank youuu.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#542 » by jman3134 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:22 pm

I haven't heard them receive any mentions, but two internationals on my radar for late round/UDFA are Allan Dokossi and Amar Sylla. Dokossi is auto eligible, but has tremendous upside if he can work on his skill/shooting package. His mobility and fluidity as an athlete are NBA level. Sylla is similar in a way. Both have great defensive potential.
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Post#543 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:31 pm

I haven't heard them receive any mentions, but two internationals on my radar for late round/UDFA are Allan Dokossi and Amar Sylla. Dokossi is auto eligible, but has tremendous upside if he can work on his skill/shooting package. His mobility and fluidity as an athlete are NBA level. Sylla is similar in a way. Both have great defensive potential.


I think Sylla is a lock to go deep in R2 and be a draft/stash. Have not seen Dokossi before.

I also think the draft position of Begarin will surprise. I think late R1 is about 50% possible.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#544 » by jman3134 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:36 pm

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I haven't heard them receive any mentions, but two internationals on my radar for late round/UDFA are Allan Dokossi and Amar Sylla. Dokossi is auto eligible, but has tremendous upside if he can work on his skill/shooting package. His mobility and fluidity as an athlete are NBA level. Sylla is similar in a way. Both have great defensive potential.


I think Sylla is a lock to go deep in R2 and be a draft/stash. Have not seen Dokossi before.

I also think the draft position of Begarin will surprise. I think late R1 is about 50% possible.


I also love Begarin. I just tweeted about it. He is a super high upside guy and I would take him in a 2nd with a late 1st. I put him in a similar category to guys like Isaiah Todd and BJ Boston, who I believe have unlimited potential and are severely underrated draft position wise. I might avoid Boston because of the basketball IQ depending on the team situation, but Todd and Begarin are definitely in a class of their own if they slide to the 2nd round.

Dokossi is an incredibly high motor 6'8 wing who has the skillset to become a versatile 3 + D guy. His shot isn't there. The motor to me puts him in a category by himself. I might try to get something out on him since there isn't much info. Let's see if I can rush it out.
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Post#545 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:06 pm

I also love Begarin. I just tweeted about it. He is a super high upside guy and I would take him in a 2nd with a late 1st. I put him in a similar category to guys like Isaiah Todd and BJ Boston, who I believe have unlimited potential and are severely underrated draft position wise. I might avoid Boston because of the basketball IQ depending on the team situation, but Todd and Begarin are definitely in a class of their own if they slide to the 2nd round.


I think Todd ends up late R1 as well. He has some Bosh like qualities IMO. Frame is between Bosh and Giles, so it could go either way there IMO. Really, really raw.

I dont see it with Boston. Lots of RJ Hunter in him IMO. Just not a good processor and jacks up wild shots.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#546 » by clyde21 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:14 pm

Todd might go a lot higher than most people think, same with Thor
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#547 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:20 pm

clyde21 wrote:Todd might go a lot higher than most people think, same with Thor


damn good draft to take calculated risk. if at NO OTHER TIME a franchise ever drafted with a plan in mind, this is the year. You can damn near pick something specific to address a purpose on your team.
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Post#548 » by Rebel INS » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:26 pm

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love these vids not so much for the scouting but moreso for the insight they give into what kind of player you're getting mentally. Those that can explain what they're processing. those that can always reference coaching. those that can verbalize where the better decision was on their miscues. this kind of thing gives little glimpses that may be re-referenced and make sense as to why player A hasn't improved at the same rate player B might have despite what appeared to be clearer advantages.


Agreed Schmitz is doing a great job with these and this type of content is suprising but sorely needed from major outlets like ESPN

Was particularly impressed with Jalen Green's, not just because of his IQ but how humble and self aware he seems to be for a guy in the 'flashy scorer' mold.

Scottie Barnes was also surprising for a supposed energy hustle guy, and seems to have a pretty good analytical understanding of defensive positioning and team D - isn't just running around taking advantage of the fact he's an athlete who can be out of position and still contest shots
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Post#549 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:36 pm

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Marcus wrote:

love these vids not so much for the scouting but moreso for the insight they give into what kind of player you're getting mentally. Those that can explain what they're processing. those that can always reference coaching. those that can verbalize where the better decision was on their miscues. this kind of thing gives little glimpses that may be re-referenced and make sense as to why player A hasn't improved at the same rate player B might have despite what appeared to be clearer advantages.


Agreed Schmitz is doing a great job with these and this type of content is suprising but sorely needed from major outlets like ESPN

Was particularly impressed with Jalen Green's, not just because of his IQ but how humble and self aware he seems to be for a guy in the 'flashy scorer' mold.

Scottie Barnes was also surprising for a supposed energy hustle guy, and seems to have a pretty good analytical understanding of defensive positioning and team D - isn't just running around taking advantage of the fact he's an athlete who can be out of position and still contest shots


Scottie has been one of my favorites kids in the class for a few years now. His interview was right on par with what i expected. he's going to be key in some team getting a chip at some point in his NBA career. Another one that was really impressive for me and IMO boosted him a bit more (if someone took the time to watch) was Josh Christopher. More understanding of what he's actually doing on the floor than he would likely get credit for. Clear understanding of where the work is needed and a real desire to be better. On the flipside wasn't a big fan of Cam Thomas in this setting. Felt some hesitation to embrace a different role next level. Hopefully im wrong when it comes down to it though.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#550 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:55 pm

Scottie Lewis has dropped off a lot of mocks, I still really like his game and would take him at 38 for the Bulls. Is there a reason he's apparently fallen out of the draft?
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Post#551 » by jman3134 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:12 pm

The lack of Scottie Lewis hype is shocking to me. I would have thought he would be the type of player to climb draft boards because of the p word. If my team can secure him at 40, I would be thrilled.
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Post#552 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm

Scottie is basically DJJ. Same inability to shoot and same elite metrics that should make them tremendous defenders but in the end the lack of intensity negates their physical gifts.
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Post#553 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:54 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Scottie is basically DJJ. Same inability to shoot and same elite metrics that should make them tremendous defenders but in the end the lack of intensity negates their physical gifts.


last thing i would worry about from Scottie on the defensive end is lack or intensity. I think his defensive capabilities translate fairly easily next level.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft, Part 2 

Post#554 » by CptCrunch » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:03 pm

This is my final board for the top 10, 3 hours before the draft.

1. Mobley

gap

2. Suggs
3. Barnes
4. Cade

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5. Sengun
6. Green
7. Wagner

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8. Giddy
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Bouknight
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Post#555 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm

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I also love Begarin. I just tweeted about it. He is a super high upside guy and I would take him in a 2nd with a late 1st. I put him in a similar category to guys like Isaiah Todd and BJ Boston, who I believe have unlimited potential and are severely underrated draft position wise. I might avoid Boston because of the basketball IQ depending on the team situation, but Todd and Begarin are definitely in a class of their own if they slide to the 2nd round.


I think Todd ends up late R1 as well. He has some Bosh like qualities IMO. Frame is between Bosh and Giles, so it could go either way there IMO. Really, really raw.

I dont see it with Boston. Lots of RJ Hunter in him IMO. Just not a good processor and jacks up wild shots.

That was also Kobe his rookie year. Boston was a top 10 player in the country coming out of high school, he just needs to develop more..
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Post#556 » by clyde21 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Scottie is basically DJJ. Same inability to shoot and same elite metrics that should make them tremendous defenders but in the end the lack of intensity negates their physical gifts.


if there is one thing Scottie Lewis doens't lack it's intensity..in fact I think he has TOO much intensity sometimes and it makes him too erratic offensively and his body moves faster than his brain
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Post#557 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:Scottie is basically DJJ. Same inability to shoot and same elite metrics that should make them tremendous defenders but in the end the lack of intensity negates their physical gifts.


last thing i would worry about from Scottie on the defensive end is lack or intensity. I think his defensive capabilities translate fairly easily next level.

I personally would take AJ Lawson over Scottie Lewis. Both 21 yrs old. Both crazy athletic, crazy speed, similar size. Lewis might be a little better defensively but Lawson is very solid on D and from what I've seen gives you much more on offense - Lawson not great off the dribble but like his combination of good shooting (off the catch or off the dribble) + his ability to read defenses, lock eyes with his teammate to know just the right time to cut to the basket for easy layups. Lawson seems to play with an edge, a toughness, a chip on his shoulder too which I really like. The speed, the ability to move without the ball and shoot, great combo.
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Post#558 » by azcatz11 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:29 pm

IF Green played college ball instead of going into the G League would he be the #1 pick?
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Post#559 » by jman3134 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:33 pm

Unquestionably yes to me.
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Post#560 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:37 pm

azcatz11 wrote:IF Green played college ball instead of going into the G League would he be the #1 pick?


don't think it changes much TBH. Felt like a case of Cade not doing something to lose the spot moreso than someone being able to take it from him. That's essentially been the story since he broke into prominence.
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