The-Power wrote:Hal14 wrote:The-Power wrote:No, you do not need to because I don't care much about OTE numbers, for one, and because the argument was that it was common for players to dramatically improve while in the NBA. Hence, your list is completely besides the point and indeed not needed.
Huh?
You don't care about his OTE numbers? It was a pro league he played in. It was their pre-draft season.
How is it not helpful to list players who shot 30% or worse during their pre-draft season who went on to improve their shooting so dramatically that they became passable shooters (or elite players) in the NBA?
You just don't like it because it disproves your agenda.
We have no point of reference for OTE performances and how things such as shooting may translate, that's why. But we've had this discussion before and it won't amount to anything, so I'll stop right there. Feel free to have the last word if you need it.
As for the ‘not helpful’ part: it's simply besides the point. The topic was about shooting improvement during players' NBA careers. You interjected with what happened before the draft. You're free to bring up whatever you want but that doesn't make it any more pertinent to the topic. It's simply a different discussion to have.
But the twins have only played like 30 games in the NBA. That's not enough to give us a baseline for for us to judge their shooting ability at the NBA level.
If you look at all the players in NBA history, I'm sure most of them shoot poorly from 3 during the first 20 or 30 games of their rookie season. They're still adjusting to the NBA game, adjusting to the speed of the game, the spacing, the physicality, learning their team's systems and schemes. Figuring out where on the floor their shots will come from, adjusting to the NBA 3 pt line which is further away than what they're used to, etc.
That's why I figured it would be more relevant to look at pre-draft numbers.
Lastly, there's no reason to not use OTE shooting numbers. It's a pro league. They shoot from the college 3 pt line. The twins played against some really good players in that league:
Alex Sarr (projected no. 1 pick in 2024 draft)
Rob Dillingham (projected no. 7 pick in 2024 draft)
Somto Cyril (committed to Kentucky, a rim protecting force)
Izan Almansa (could go 1st round in 2024 draft)
Tyler Smith (could go lottery in 2024 draft)
Kanaan Carlyle (making a significant impact as a freshman at Stanford, is draft eligible in 2023)
Jazian Gortman (on a 2-way with the Bucks)
Bryce Griggs (was draft eligible in 2023)
Bryson Warren (good perimeter defender, is draft eligible in 2024)
Jaylen Martin (good wing defender, was draft eligible in 2023)
Naasir Cunningham (could go lottery in 2025)
TJ Clark (good perimeter defender, was draft eligible in 2023)
Johned Walker (good perimeter defender, was draft eligible in 2023)
Bryson Tiller (could end up being better than all of these guys long term)
The spacing was bad for the City Reapers. So if anything, the Twins would have shot a higher % from 3 if they played in a different league last season.