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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#541 » by clyde21 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:08 pm

CptCrunch wrote:How do we justify Brandon Miller for #2.


you don't

i like Miller but for the life of me I don't understand this top 3 talk, i appreciate the uber production as a freshmen in a tough conference, and you can't teach 6-9 that can shoot, but he doesn't have any real outlier skills and the movement/athletic traits of a top tier prospect are missing and is actually sophomore aged.

#8 on my board currently and feel like that's a solid bet to make at that point.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#542 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:15 pm

drone3 wrote:As a bucks fan Miller reminds me alot of Midds. I really don't see the PG comparison


Yes, the Middleton and Granger comps are good, I like them.

I don't see the Paul George comp because George was on another level athletically. Miller is merely average/above average in this aspect.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#543 » by Big J » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:44 pm

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drone3 wrote:As a bucks fan Miller reminds me alot of Midds. I really don't see the PG comparison


Yes, the Middleton and Granger comps are good, I like them.

I don't see the Paul George comp because George was on another level athletically. Miller is merely average/above average in this aspect.


He could be Tatum though. Tatum is basically a middle of the road athlete in the league. Miller's passing is actually further along than Tatums was at this point.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#544 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jun 8, 2023 3:43 pm

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CptCrunch wrote:How do we justify Brandon Miller for #2.


you don't

i like Miller but for the life of me I don't understand this top 3 talk, i appreciate the uber production as a freshmen in a tough conference, and you can't teach 6-9 that can shoot, but he doesn't have any real outlier skills and the movement/athletic traits of a top tier prospect are missing and is actually sophomore aged.

#8 on my board currently and feel like that's a solid bet to make at that point.


when his main competition is a short guard who can't shoot and was highly inefficient in the g league, a couple 20 year olds who played in a questionable HS league (and were fairly mediocre in that league), and a bunch of fellow OADs who struggled to produce and be efficient at the college, it's not really that hard to see why NBA scouts and GMs see Miller as the #2 overall pick.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#545 » by deepeeenn » Thu Jun 8, 2023 3:51 pm

Does no one else find it interesting that he changed his shooting form from HS to college?

HS he had a more traditional set point and college it’s much lower, shoots the ball in front of his face. It’s a bit faster and probably is comfortable for him beyond 3 but he had bad stats shooting in the midrange and I think it’s due to his current shooting form.

Most guys that shoot with a lower set point nowadays, I notice happen to be small guards that use it to increase their range. But they either don’t have a midrange game or they change their midrange form. A lot tend to settle for floaters if anything. And that’s guards. Miller doesn’t change his form in the midrange when he gets there and I have this feeling he’ll have a hard time getting it off in the Pros. His shot, outside of its relative quickness, is very Block able especially in the mid.

I’m not especially high on him, I think he’ll be a solid player but I don’t know if he’ll be that good.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#546 » by deepeeenn » Thu Jun 8, 2023 3:54 pm

Big J wrote:He could be Tatum though. Tatum is basically a middle of the road athlete in the league. Miller's passing is actually further along than Tatums was at this point.


He definitely is a more willing passer than Tatum but Tatum has a far more advanced midrange game than Miller does and his handle is smoother.

I personally don’t like the comp because Miller struggles in the midrange and at the rim.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#547 » by clyde21 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 4:22 pm

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CptCrunch wrote:How do we justify Brandon Miller for #2.


you don't

i like Miller but for the life of me I don't understand this top 3 talk, i appreciate the uber production as a freshmen in a tough conference, and you can't teach 6-9 that can shoot, but he doesn't have any real outlier skills and the movement/athletic traits of a top tier prospect are missing and is actually sophomore aged.

#8 on my board currently and feel like that's a solid bet to make at that point.


when his main competition is a short guard who can't shoot and was highly inefficient in the g league, a couple 20 year olds who played in a questionable HS league (and were fairly mediocre in that league), and a bunch of fellow OADs who struggled to produce and be efficient at the college, it's not really that hard to see why NBA scouts and GMs see Miller as the #2 overall pick.


twins shouldn't be his main comp either, they are even lower on my bb and shouldn't be in the convo for the top 3 or even top 5 at this point, and lol @ this nonsense you keep peddling about Scoot.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#548 » by Upperclass » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:09 pm

Dude is a generic 6'8 wing. His only attributable skill is a low release 3ball. Portland is about to pull a Tatum/Fultz
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#549 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:13 pm

clyde21 wrote:
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clyde21 wrote:
you don't

i like Miller but for the life of me I don't understand this top 3 talk, i appreciate the uber production as a freshmen in a tough conference, and you can't teach 6-9 that can shoot, but he doesn't have any real outlier skills and the movement/athletic traits of a top tier prospect are missing and is actually sophomore aged.

#8 on my board currently and feel like that's a solid bet to make at that point.


when his main competition is a short guard who can't shoot and was highly inefficient in the g league, a couple 20 year olds who played in a questionable HS league (and were fairly mediocre in that league), and a bunch of fellow OADs who struggled to produce and be efficient at the college, it's not really that hard to see why NBA scouts and GMs see Miller as the #2 overall pick.


twins shouldn't be his main comp either, they are even lower on my bb and shouldn't be in the convo for the top 3 or even top 5 at this point, and lol @ this nonsense you keep peddling about Scoot.


i basically made three statements about scoot - why don't you tell me which one or ones is/are nonsense:

1) he's short (6'2")
2) he can't shoot (27% from three this past season)
2a) he was an inefficient scorer in the g league (42% FGs and 27% from three)

maybe you can educate me, but i'm not seeing where any of that is wrong.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#550 » by azcatz11 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:17 pm

He was awful in the ncaa tournament. He’s also very passive and clearly only a 3 point shooter.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#551 » by clyde21 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:18 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
when his main competition is a short guard who can't shoot and was highly inefficient in the g league, a couple 20 year olds who played in a questionable HS league (and were fairly mediocre in that league), and a bunch of fellow OADs who struggled to produce and be efficient at the college, it's not really that hard to see why NBA scouts and GMs see Miller as the #2 overall pick.


twins shouldn't be his main comp either, they are even lower on my bb and shouldn't be in the convo for the top 3 or even top 5 at this point, and lol @ this nonsense you keep peddling about Scoot.


i basically made three statements about scoot - why don't you tell me which one or ones is/are nonsense:

1) he's short (6'2")
2) he can't shoot (27% from three this past season)
2a) he was an inefficient scorer in the g league (42% FGs and 27% from three)

maybe you can educate me, but i'm not seeing where any of that is wrong.



1) so are Dame, Steph, Cp3, Harden, Russ, Ja, D Mitch, Fox and a bunch of other high impact guards in the league. means nothing.

2) he actually shot 33% from 3 this season so that's wrong

3) 18 year old playing against grown ass men.

so you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over without providing any context.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#552 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:33 pm

Ya, he hits his 3's but I am not a fan of how low that release point is.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#553 » by Big J » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:57 pm

Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#554 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jun 8, 2023 8:21 pm

Big J wrote:Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.


i wouldn't say it's entirely meaningless in general, but you can overcome the low release point with height (which he has for his position in spades) and a quick release which he has as well. bottom line, he never had trouble getting his shot and won't in the nba. a non issue for b miller specifically.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#555 » by HiDef » Thu Jun 8, 2023 9:37 pm

Big J wrote:Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.


It's not meaningless if you have no ability to create separation for yourself. Miller doesn't get his shot off against length and doesn't have anything else to get himself free.

So tired of the Miller is 6'9 argument. Nothing about this dude is a wing. just a PF with a little bit of wiggle
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#556 » by Big J » Thu Jun 8, 2023 10:23 pm

HiDef wrote:
Big J wrote:Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.


It's not meaningless if you have no ability to create separation for yourself. Miller doesn't get his shot off against length and doesn't have anything else to get himself free.

So tired of the Miller is 6'9 argument. Nothing about this dude is a wing. just a PF with a little bit of wiggle


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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#557 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Jun 8, 2023 11:22 pm

NBA teams all want guys like him, MPJ, Isaac, Bridges, Jerami Grant, Siakam, Jabari Smith, etc and he does have a similar game to them. He'll defend, run the floor, and shoot open threes from Day 1. Tatum is more of a 3 like Banchero, that handles the ball, initiates and can score on all three levels. Miller isn't that. Maybe down the road he can develop other parts of his game but honestly, how many of his ilk do?

Hornets can't draft Scoot unless Melo is getting traded. I just find it hard to believe they would trade their biggest star even if it's the best course of action. If they're sticking with Melo then I can understand why Miller might go #2 though as he'd be a perfect fit with that roster and is exactly what they need. Hence the rumors he's going #2. It wouldn't be my choice but I wouldn't hate it
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#558 » by mattao313 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 11:38 pm

HiDef wrote:
Big J wrote:Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.


It's not meaningless if you have no ability to create separation for yourself. Miller doesn't get his shot off against length and doesn't have anything else to get himself free.

So tired of the Miller is 6'9 argument. Nothing about this dude is a wing. just a PF with a little bit of wiggle
I hate this idea that every 6'9 guy is a PF now no he's a sf.

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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#559 » by MemphisX » Fri Jun 9, 2023 12:30 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:NBA teams all want guys like him, MPJ, Isaac, Bridges, Jerami Grant, Siakam, Jabari Smith, etc and he does have a similar game to them. He'll defend, run the floor, and shoot open threes from Day 1. Tatum is more of a 3 like Banchero, that handles the ball, initiates and can score on all three levels. Miller isn't that. Maybe down the road he can develop other parts of his game but honestly, how many of his ilk do?

Hornets can't draft Scoot unless Melo is getting traded. I just find it hard to believe they would trade their biggest star even if it's the best course of action. If they're sticking with Melo then I can understand why Miller might go #2 though as he'd be a perfect fit with that roster and is exactly what they need. Hence the rumors he's going #2. It wouldn't be my choice but I wouldn't hate it



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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#560 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 9, 2023 12:47 am

The more I read, watch and listen to on Miller, the more I hate him going top 5.
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