DeAndre Ayton

[CptCrunch]

My red flag regardless is he declared in the locker room. If he cared about the moment he would of waited. Look how devastated fox and monk was last year. Competitors do not act how ayton did in the locker room

Simmons looked like he didn't care and yet he went #1 and is the best prospect we've seen in years.

"Fire'' is overrated. Also, how is Monk doing?

Let's stop overrating hustle and 'fire'. Ayton had this red flag from the first time I say him play in HS, let's not pretend this changes anything. Whoever picks him knows and have known for years about his Drummond-like attitude.

Still worth picking.

Just because Simmons is good doesn't mean he will win anything in his career. Talent without passion = loser.

[GimmeDat]

Trier declared straight up as well. There's a myriad of legitimate critiques you can make about his motor/fire, and it's not a factor that should be overlooked, but I don't think this is one of those moments.

[GimmeDat]

My red flag regardless is he declared in the locker room. If he cared about the moment he would of waited. Look how devastated fox and monk was last year. Competitors do not act how ayton did in the locker room

Simmons looked like he didn't care and yet he went #1 and is the best prospect we've seen in years.

"Fire'' is overrated. Also, how is Monk doing?

Let's stop overrating hustle and 'fire'. Ayton had this red flag from the first time I say him play in HS, let's not pretend this changes anything. Whoever picks him knows and have known for years about his Drummond-like attitude.

Still worth picking.

Just because Simmons is good doesn't mean he will win anything in his career. Talent without passion = loser.

lol, this is such a weird critique. I can only shake my head at people that don't like Simmons. Does it look like he coasts through games to you? He produces and he has the most win shares on a playoff team as a rookie.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

How reasonable is it to suspect that Ayton lost on purpose? His buddies bet on the game, he gets a cut and he still gets drafted high and doesn’t have to risk injury. It would be the smart thing to do. Save yourself for the NBA, make some money on the side. Even w/o the betting, it’s the smart thing to do.


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He didn't lose on purpose.

Why is that hard to believe?


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Did you watch the game? His teammates weren't getting him the ball, and the run and gun style of his opponents minimized his impact severely.

No switch Ayton has changed the outcome of that game. Poor teammates and a bad matchup did.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

For those watching Ayton a lot, why is he more KAT than Okafor? Wouldn't the poor defense, most of his offense on the block, and low motor lean his outcome more towards Okafor than KAT?

[Marcus]

For those watching Ayton a lot, why is he more KAT than Okafor? Wouldn't the poor defense, most of his offense on the block, and low motor lean his outcome more towards Okafor than KAT?

jumper, bounce, and ability to move his feet.

The poor defense is an awareness and activity thing not an inability to do it thing. Jah can't guard on the perimeter, Ayton can. He's not a liability away from the basket when he's engaged. He sits in a stance and slides his feet with active hands. His main problem on defense is reading action away from the ball and rotating on time. Which when talking about a possible defensive anchor that can be a concern.

His offense isn't primarily post up either. He has a mid-range game and did a lot of damage this year sitting in the middle of the zone for free throw line jumpers. His face up is pretty good. His size and willingness to finish strong is what makes his low post stand out but it isn't his only avenue for scoring.

Also Ayton moves well straight line and laterally and rebounds outside of his area something Jah didn't do a lot of.

[nolang1]

For those watching Ayton a lot, why is he more KAT than Okafor? Wouldn't the poor defense, most of his offense on the block, and low motor lean his outcome more towards Okafor than KAT?

jumper, bounce, and ability to move his feet.

The poor defense is an awareness and activity thing not an inability to do it thing. Jah can't guard on the perimeter, Ayton can. He's not a liability away from the basket when he's engaged. He sits in a stance and slides his feet with active hands. His main problem on defense is reading action away from the ball and rotating on time. Which when talking about a possible defensive anchor that can be a concern.

His offense isn't primarily post up either. He has a mid-range game and did a lot of damage this year sitting in the middle of the zone for free throw line jumpers. His face up is pretty good. His size and willingness to finish strong is what makes his low post stand out but it isn't his only avenue for scoring.

Also Ayton moves well straight line and laterally and rebounds outside of his area something Jah didn't do a lot of.

Also much more ability to get out (and get back) in transition, which is one area where Okafor really sucks.

[Marcus]

For those watching Ayton a lot, why is he more KAT than Okafor? Wouldn't the poor defense, most of his offense on the block, and low motor lean his outcome more towards Okafor than KAT?

jumper, bounce, and ability to move his feet.

The poor defense is an awareness and activity thing not an inability to do it thing. Jah can't guard on the perimeter, Ayton can. He's not a liability away from the basket when he's engaged. He sits in a stance and slides his feet with active hands. His main problem on defense is reading action away from the ball and rotating on time. Which when talking about a possible defensive anchor that can be a concern.

His offense isn't primarily post up either. He has a mid-range game and did a lot of damage this year sitting in the middle of the zone for free throw line jumpers. His face up is pretty good. His size and willingness to finish strong is what makes his low post stand out but it isn't his only avenue for scoring.

Also Ayton moves well straight line and laterally and rebounds outside of his area something Jah didn't do a lot of.

Also much more ability to get out (and get back) in transition, which is one area where Okafor really sucks.

Fasho. Ayton is gazelle end to end and hauls an ample amount of tail on rim runs especially

[ItsThatEasy]

For those watching Ayton a lot, why is he more KAT than Okafor? Wouldn't the poor defense, most of his offense on the block, and low motor lean his outcome more towards Okafor than KAT?

Ayton could drop 40 in an NBA game without ever touching the ball in the post. Okafor would have no chance at something like that.

[ronnymac2]

Where is Ayton's advantage as a prospect over Andre Drummond? There were issues with Andre regarding motor, but he was such a physical monstrosity. Ayton is a worse shot-blocker and has a much smaller frame. You can do things differently from Drummond with a smaller frame, but does Ayton have the skills on offense or mentality on defense to actually do those different things?

Mind you, Drummond has turned himself into a legitimate force in the NBA.

[nolang1]

Where is Ayton's advantage as a prospect over Andre Drummond? There were issues with Andre regarding motor, but he was such a physical monstrosity. Ayton is a worse shot-blocker and has a much smaller frame. You can do things differently from Drummond with a smaller frame, but does Ayton have the skills on offense or mentality on defense to actually do those different things?

Mind you, Drummond has turned himself into a legitimate force in the NBA.

He can easily hit that free throw line jumper that NBA teams are all too willing to give Drummond, and if he takes it to the NBA three and hit 75-80% on free throws it’s an entirely different level offensively.

[E-Balla]

For those watching Ayton a lot, why is he more KAT than Okafor? Wouldn't the poor defense, most of his offense on the block, and low motor lean his outcome more towards Okafor than KAT?

KAT is just as bad defensively if not a little worse than Okafor. The reason he's more like KAT and not Okafor is because like KAT he'll still get his numbers so people that don't pay attention will think he's good. All 3 are completely incompetent defensively though.

[GimmeDat]

Drummond with a jumper and probably better footwork is the best way to describe Ayton at this point, imo. From recall Drummond goes to little hooks in the post that Ayton doesn't really do as well.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Drummond with a jumper and probably better footwork is the best way to describe Ayton at this point, imo. From recall Drummond goes to little hooks in the post that Ayton doesn't really do as well.

Ayton is much smoother in the low post imo. His better footwork will allow him to expand his low post offense beyond those little hooks Drummond goes to.

[King Ken]

Drummond with a jumper and probably better footwork is the best way to describe Ayton at this point, imo. From recall Drummond goes to little hooks in the post that Ayton doesn't really do as well.

The biggest difference I see between these two is BBIQ. Ayton understands the game a lot better than Drummond did. Drummond was trying to And1 you before college and he was severely limited at UCONN. Ayton isn't limited. That's not one of his flaws. Ayton is a smart freshman center. I don't see these comparisons.

[JMac1]

He goes no lower than three!

[GimmeDat]

Drummond with a jumper and probably better footwork is the best way to describe Ayton at this point, imo. From recall Drummond goes to little hooks in the post that Ayton doesn't really do as well.

The biggest difference I see between these two is BBIQ. Ayton understands the game a lot better than Drummond did. Drummond was trying to And1 you before college and he was severely limited at UCONN. Ayton isn't limited. That's not one of his flaws. Ayton is a smart freshman center. I don't see these comparisons.

Yep, I agree with that point of difference as well. It's a crude comparison but I can't think of anyone else that comes to mind.

[King Ken]

Drummond with a jumper and probably better footwork is the best way to describe Ayton at this point, imo. From recall Drummond goes to little hooks in the post that Ayton doesn't really do as well.

The biggest difference I see between these two is BBIQ. Ayton understands the game a lot better than Drummond did. Drummond was trying to And1 you before college and he was severely limited at UCONN. Ayton isn't limited. That's not one of his flaws. Ayton is a smart freshman center. I don't see these comparisons.

Yep, I agree with that point of difference as well. It's a crude comparison but I can't think of anyone else that comes to mind.

To me, he's a more talented version of a freshman Shaq with Marvin Williams personality and mindset. Take that as you may.

[GimmeDat]

The biggest difference I see between these two is BBIQ. Ayton understands the game a lot better than Drummond did. Drummond was trying to And1 you before college and he was severely limited at UCONN. Ayton isn't limited. That's not one of his flaws. Ayton is a smart freshman center. I don't see these comparisons.

Yep, I agree with that point of difference as well. It's a crude comparison but I can't think of anyone else that comes to mind.

To me, he's a more talented version of a freshman Shaq with Marvin Williams personality and mindset. Take that as you may.

Ha, an interesting mix for sure. That basically sums it up, all the tools in the world, mental will hold him back.

[King Ken]

Yep, I agree with that point of difference as well. It's a crude comparison but I can't think of anyone else that comes to mind.

To me, he's a more talented version of a freshman Shaq with Marvin Williams personality and mindset. Take that as you may.

Ha, an interesting mix for sure. That basically sums it up, all the tools in the world, mental will hold him back.

Yep. I think he's a bigger boom or bust than Bamba, Bagley, or Doncic. Him and Porter Jr. scare me. Porter Jr. less than Ayton. Personality and mindset means a lot when you are talking about a 7 footer about to get paid millions. My cousin had questions about his personality in the NFL. I knew they were right but his talent got him drafted in the 1st round when he was projected to be a #1 pick the year before. He is in the NFL, and he has been a disappointment who shows flashes. We must be honest, these are freshmen and Bamba and Ayton are coming into the toughest position to translate to (NBA center). We need to be realistic. This will take time but more important, development and the right situation.