Cameron Reddish

[King Ken]

I'm not sure if he was actually good in high school, but those of us that have only watched Cam in the NCAA and the NBA haven't actually ever seen him string good games together.

He shot 58% from three in HS and shot 52% from three for the U19 squad which featured P.J. Washington, Kevin Huerter, and many other NBA players.

[Duke4life831]

I'm not sure if he was actually good in high school, but those of us that have only watched Cam in the NCAA and the NBA haven't actually ever seen him string good games together.

He shot 58% from three in HS and shot 52% from three for the U19 squad which featured P.J. Washington, Kevin Huerter, and many other NBA players.

I presume you're getting this from PrepCourt? That only shows a 15 game sample with shooting numbers from only 6 games and they're far from being accurate. I mean one of the 6 games they have Cam making 4 3pt shots on 0 3pt attempts. The U19 sample is also only a 7 game sample, lets also remember one of those games is the famous game where RJ went to town on the US while Cam pulled a vanishing act. I could easily use his 16 game sample from EYBL where he shot 28% from 3.

As someone who has followed Cam years before he went to Duke, Cam has never been a consistent shooter, hell Cam has never been a consistent player. Im also not some Cam basher either. You can go back to the beginning of this thread and you will see me say he has the potential to be Duke's best wing in the OAD era when he puts it all together and plays hard. But that has always been the issue with Cam. He has always been the "potential" guy. He could string together 3-4 great games at the U19, then completely disappear the next game. He could dominate his first few games his senior year and jump to #1 in the high school rankings over a high school phenom like RJ, but then disappear for a month.

Dont get me wrong, Cam has put together nice stretches. But he has yet put together a consistent stretch at any level against legit competition. This has been his biggest red flag since at least his junior year and as of right now there is no signs of that changing.

[King Ken]

I'm not sure if he was actually good in high school, but those of us that have only watched Cam in the NCAA and the NBA haven't actually ever seen him string good games together.

He shot 58% from three in HS and shot 52% from three for the U19 squad which featured P.J. Washington, Kevin Huerter, and many other NBA players.

I presume you're getting this from PrepCourt? That only shows a 15 game sample with shooting numbers from only 6 games and they're far from being accurate. I mean one of the 6 games they have Cam making 4 3pt shots on 0 3pt attempts. The U19 sample is also only a 7 game sample, lets also remember one of those games is the famous game where RJ went to town on the US while Cam pulled a vanishing act. I could easily use his 16 game sample from EYBL where he shot 28% from 3.

It was on his USA today high school profile as well his TheStepien report.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

I don't have an issue with his EYBL numbers, his ability to draw fouls speaks to what he could be in time when he starts to feel the game better as a pro

[Duke4life831]

He shot 58% from three in HS and shot 52% from three for the U19 squad which featured P.J. Washington, Kevin Huerter, and many other NBA players.

I presume you're getting this from PrepCourt? That only shows a 15 game sample with shooting numbers from only 6 games and they're far from being accurate. I mean one of the 6 games they have Cam making 4 3pt shots on 0 3pt attempts. The U19 sample is also only a 7 game sample, lets also remember one of those games is the famous game where RJ went to town on the US while Cam pulled a vanishing act. I could easily use his 16 game sample from EYBL where he shot 28% from 3.

It was on his USA today high school profile as well his TheStepien report.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

I don't have an issue with his EYBL numbers, his ability to draw fouls speaks to what he could be in time when he starts to feel the game better as a pro

I'm 99% sure they got those numbers from Prepcircuit. And his FTr hasn't transferred to college or the NBA, just like his facilitating didn't.

[The_Hater]

I'm not sure if he was actually good in high school, but those of us that have only watched Cam in the NCAA and the NBA haven't actually ever seen him string good games together.

Has the tools, has the iq, lacks feel "off ball"and still struggles to finish through contact when he is on ball.
Got a long ways to go and it's not it's not like they are competing for anything beyond lottery position anyway this soon in the rebuild.
They should have waited to draft their unathletic no upside defensive turnstyle plug and play floor general for the end of the rebuild...now they just have the typical recipe for mediocrity if players like red don't improve significantly.
I would use reddish on ball when Trae is sitting, and see if you got anything

I don’t think Reddish actually ‘has the IQ’, that’s one of his major issues imo.

[The_Hater]

I presume you're getting this from PrepCourt? That only shows a 15 game sample with shooting numbers from only 6 games and they're far from being accurate. I mean one of the 6 games they have Cam making 4 3pt shots on 0 3pt attempts. The U19 sample is also only a 7 game sample, lets also remember one of those games is the famous game where RJ went to town on the US while Cam pulled a vanishing act. I could easily use his 16 game sample from EYBL where he shot 28% from 3.

It was on his USA today high school profile as well his TheStepien report.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

I don't have an issue with his EYBL numbers, his ability to draw fouls speaks to what he could be in time when he starts to feel the game better as a pro

I'm 99% sure they got those numbers from Prepcircuit. And his FTr hasn't transferred to college or the NBA, just like his facilitating didn't.

Even If those 3 point numbers are 100% accurate, which seems dubious, how bad is it that we need to completely ignore both his shooting in NCAA and the NBA and start pulling out high school numbers?

This takes the art of cherry picking statistics to a whole new level I’ve never seen before.

[Duke4life831]

It was on his USA today high school profile as well his TheStepien report.

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/08/05/preseason-thoughts-cameron-reddish/

I don't have an issue with his EYBL numbers, his ability to draw fouls speaks to what he could be in time when he starts to feel the game better as a pro

I'm 99% sure they got those numbers from Prepcircuit. And his FTr hasn't transferred to college or the NBA, just like his facilitating didn't.

Even If those 3 point numbers are 100% accurate, which seems dubious, how bad is it that we need to completely ignore both his shooting in NCAA and the NBA and start pulling out high school numbers?

This takes the art of cherry picking statistics to a whole new level I’ve never seen before.

Ya its one thing if its like FTs or something. Its the same distance so I can see if a guy struggled with FT shooting but was a good FT shooter in high school, so I can see the argument of he has shown in the past he can make FTs. But 3pt range changes, and most importantly the speed of the game and the level of defenders drastically change.

[clyde21]

he's shooting 41% from 3 the last 7 games, 83% from the line, so there is light at the end of the tunnel, if he can maintain around those averages and give you solid defense i'd take that as a win.

[Stillwater]

I'm not sure if he was actually good in high school, but those of us that have only watched Cam in the NCAA and the NBA haven't actually ever seen him string good games together.

Has the tools, has the iq, lacks feel "off ball"and still struggles to finish through contact when he is on ball.
Got a long ways to go and it's not it's not like they are competing for anything beyond lottery position anyway this soon in the rebuild.
They should have waited to draft their unathletic no upside defensive turnstyle plug and play floor general for the end of the rebuild...now they just have the typical recipe for mediocrity if players like red don't improve significantly.
I would use reddish on ball when Trae is sitting, and see if you got anything

I don’t think Reddish actually ‘has the IQ’, that’s one of his major issues imo.

If that's true he is a long term project who's lack of motor makes it difficult to believe in reaching any ceiling close to precollege projections.
I think he has the bb iq with the ball in his hands but doesn't without it yet.
Hence my opinion he needs to control the ball with Trae on the bench

[Duke4life831]

Has the tools, has the iq, lacks feel "off ball"and still struggles to finish through contact when he is on ball.
Got a long ways to go and it's not it's not like they are competing for anything beyond lottery position anyway this soon in the rebuild.
They should have waited to draft their unathletic no upside defensive turnstyle plug and play floor general for the end of the rebuild...now they just have the typical recipe for mediocrity if players like red don't improve significantly.
I would use reddish on ball when Trae is sitting, and see if you got anything

I don’t think Reddish actually ‘has the IQ’, that’s one of his major issues imo.

If that's true he is a long term project who's lack of motor makes it difficult to believe in reaching any ceiling close to precollege projections.
I think he has the bb iq with the ball in his hands but doesn't without it yet.
Hence my opinion he needs to control the ball with Trae on the bench

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

[King Ken]

I'm not sure if he was actually good in high school, but those of us that have only watched Cam in the NCAA and the NBA haven't actually ever seen him string good games together.

Has the tools, has the iq, lacks feel "off ball"and still struggles to finish through contact when he is on ball.
Got a long ways to go and it's not it's not like they are competing for anything beyond lottery position anyway this soon in the rebuild.
They should have waited to draft their unathletic no upside defensive turnstyle plug and play floor general for the end of the rebuild...now they just have the typical recipe for mediocrity if players like red don't improve significantly.
I would use reddish on ball when Trae is sitting, and see if you got anything

I don’t think Reddish actually ‘has the IQ’, that’s one of his major issues imo.

He 100% has good awareness for a wing. His issue is his critically low feel for the game.

He knows where he needs to be as well as Hunter. The difference is feel for the game. Hunter has a decent feel of the game, Reddish is with rookie Archie Goodwin, rookie Louis Williams, rookie Dorrell Wright, and a number of prep to pro guys in their 1st year. Clearly lower than your average 1 and done. His BBIQ and awareness is fine for any rookie.

[Stillwater]

I don’t think Reddish actually ‘has the IQ’, that’s one of his major issues imo.

If that's true he is a long term project who's lack of motor makes it difficult to believe in reaching any ceiling close to precollege projections.
I think he has the bb iq with the ball in his hands but doesn't without it yet.
Hence my opinion he needs to control the ball with Trae on the bench

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

Exactly...lol

[Duke4life831]

If that's true he is a long term project who's lack of motor makes it difficult to believe in reaching any ceiling close to precollege projections.
I think he has the bb iq with the ball in his hands but doesn't without it yet.
Hence my opinion he needs to control the ball with Trae on the bench

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

Exactly...lol

Where is the BBIQ with the ball in his hands that you're talking about then. And why should he control the ball more?

[Stillwater]

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

Exactly...lol

Where is the BBIQ with the ball in his hands that you're talking about then. And why should he control the ball more?

Sorry man I thought everyone on here knew I was trolling the cam thread since I've been one of his biggest haters from day 1.
He sucks period.

[King Ken]

I don’t think Reddish actually ‘has the IQ’, that’s one of his major issues imo.

If that's true he is a long term project who's lack of motor makes it difficult to believe in reaching any ceiling close to precollege projections.
I think he has the bb iq with the ball in his hands but doesn't without it yet.
Hence my opinion he needs to control the ball with Trae on the bench

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his 3pt shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. He is a Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defensively, he already is.

D4L, you gotta watch all of our games. No metrics can help you when judging Reddish. You gotta watch him play.

[Duke4life831]

If that's true he is a long term project who's lack of motor makes it difficult to believe in reaching any ceiling close to precollege projections.
I think he has the bb iq with the ball in his hands but doesn't without it yet.
Hence my opinion he needs to control the ball with Trae on the bench

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. A Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defense, he already is.

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

[The_Hater]

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. A Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defense, he already is.

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

‘I watch the games, you don’t’ is the goto thing people use when the stats for a player are horrible and they don’t have anything factual to back their opinion. They still want to believe they’re right and you’re wrong and their eye test alone proves it.

Even then, this same poster was very quick to post Reddish stats back in December when he had by far his best game of the season to date. Stats do matter when they’re good apparently but you are to dismiss them when they’re not.

[Duke4life831]

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. A Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defense, he already is.

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

‘I watch the games, you don’t’ is the goto thing people use when the stats for a player are horrible and they don’t have anything factual to back their opinion. They still want to believe they’re right and you’re wrong and their eye test alone proves it.

Even then, this same poster was very quick to post Reddish stats back in December when he had by far his best game of the season to date. Stats do matter when they’re good apparently but you are to dismiss them when they’re not.

Ya don't get me wrong, I think eye test can be important. But I tend to take the eye test or "I watch the games" argument when you have some other kind of statistic to back that up, whether that be raw stats, advanced stats, On/Off, synergy or something. Give me a little something more to make me believe there might be something Im missing either than just eye test. And again Ive been going out of my way to make sure Hawks games are being recorded so I can watch them and see if Im missing anything. So far Im not seeing it, which doesn't surprise me because Ive been following Cam for years and I still see the same Cam.

[King Ken]

But he has been extremely poor with the ball in his hands this year.

PnR ball handler: ranks in the 26th percentile
Iso: ranks in the 6th percentile

He has more turnovers than assists and his potential assist number is basically equal to Jabari Parker's this year. Cam has shown no signs of being a good player with the ball in his hands.

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. A Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defense, he already is.

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

I have to disagree with the last paragraph, for the role he's in, he's put in a great stretch of games. I would say this Detroit game was his worst game this month and that was on a backend of a B2B with an ankle injury. His role isn't that complex these days. Provide great defense, make threes and be used a PnR ball handler which he has been much better at lately. He was 40% from three going into the DET game for the month of Jan. I can't argue if you are watching the games or not, I've never seen you in any Hawk related message board or Hawk anything. I wouldn't know but I trust that you are telling the truth from your perspective so I won't say otherwise there.

I obviously disagree with the first paragraph. I am more focus on him playing his role and making marked improvements. That's what I am watching for.

This is just solid on defense my friend?

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I think he has potential to be the best player in the NBA. I already told you why. You think he's a potential 3/D player. I think he is MUCH MUCH better than that potentially. For rookies who play both ends of the court and show talent on offense, most if not all don't shoot a good 3pt percentage as a rookie. Look at Leonard, PG, etc. With Cam's improvement, he's likely to finish 33-35% from 3. That means a lot considering he started the season a historically low like 5%-8% from 3 on 5 3 threes per game. That puts him in the zone for decent 3/D as a rookie. Why would you say that's his potential when it's possibly his rookie floor unless you don't think much of his potential?

I think you are dead ass wrong on Reddish. I already know the hater and Stillwater is dead ass wrong already on Reddish. Stillwater would take Aaron Holiday and Yogi Ferrell over Trae Young earlier this season. He said Reddish should have been undrafted and is trash. That's not the person you want to go to war with on this honestly.

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I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

‘I watch the games, you don’t’ is the goto thing people use when the stats for a player are horrible and they don’t have anything factual to back their opinion. They still want to believe they’re right and you’re wrong and their eye test alone proves it.

Even then, this same poster was very quick to post Reddish stats back in December when he had by far his best game of the season to date. Stats do matter when they’re good apparently but you are to dismiss them when they’re not.

Ya don't get me wrong, I think eye test can be important. But I tend to take the eye test or "I watch the games" argument when you have some other kind of statistic to back that up, whether that be raw stats, advanced stats, On/Off, synergy or something. Give me a little something more to make me believe there might be something Im missing either than just eye test. And again Ive been going out of my way to make sure Hawks games are being recorded so I can watch them and see if Im missing anything. So far Im not seeing it, which doesn't surprise me because Ive been following Cam for years and I still see the same Cam.

The eye test is extremely important. It's the difference between thinking year 3 Giannis is the next modern day Giannis or the next Josh Smith (Hawks prime). To say it's important is a massive understatement. The eye test is why Masai is a monster of a GM and why guys like Rich Cho are seen as awful Basketball evaluators. It's everything!

I posted it for different reasons than you stated. If you notice, I haven't posted since about individual games. I already proved the point I was making. I watch the games is basically, me saying to trust your eyes. That's it! If you need to watch it more than once to make sure, then do so but trust your eyes.

The disagreement we have is I think he is doing fine for a rookie considering his role. I am happy with what we are getting from Reddish and I think he has the potential to be the best player in the NBA one day. You think his potential is a decent 3/D wing and you think he is one of the worst players in the NBA. I 100% disagree with you is all. You can think I am deadass wrong and that's fine but I don't get that feeling but for maybe a handful of players. Of the last 8, 5 became ATGs. Of the ones drafted outside of the top 5 that I was exceptionally high on, those three were Giannis, Cam Reddish, and Steph Curry. I feel good that Cam will be joining those two in the near future. While I guess you think Cam is I guess an average 3/D wing I would imagine in the near future. Different strokes for different folks.