2020 NBA Draft II

[clyde21]

listened to the Laroux/Duncan pod on Antman, they absolutely cooked him

[King Ken]

listened to the Laroux/Duncan pod on Antman, they absolutely cooked him

He's a cookable prospect but the facts are facts. His size, skill-set, talent level and athleticism translates and his BBIQ and feel for the game is high enough to where it's not a hindrance.

[getrichordie]

What is everyone’s top 10 big board for players projected to play the 4?

01. Avdija
02. Williams
03. S. Bey
04. Achiuwa
05. Toppin
06. Pokusevski
07. Tillie
08. Reed
09. Robinson-Earl
09. Smith
10. Perry

[clyde21]

1. Obi
2. Tyler Bey
3. Reed
4. Avdija
5. Tillie
6. Poku
7. Precious

not worth ranking the rest, TJD would be in there somewhere if he's in.

[EvanZ]

Precious is a 5 lol. I don't know why people think he's a 4. He doesn't shoot and he's not nearly skilled enough with the ball to be a 4. Nope.

[clyde21]

Precious is not a 5 'lol'...he's a 4 that can play small ball 5, but he's gonna be guarding more swingmen and combo forwards than he'll be guarding Centers or rim protect

he's Jerami Grant, will play the Jerami Grant role

[getrichordie]

1. Obi
2. Tyler Bey
3. Reed
4. Avdija
5. Tillie
6. Poku
7. Precious

not worth ranking the rest, TJD would be in there somewhere if he's in.

Are you getting the Beys mixed up or are you that high on Tyler? You don't have Saddiq ahead of Tillie?

[clyde21]

1. Obi
2. Tyler Bey
3. Reed
4. Avdija
5. Tillie
6. Poku
7. Precious

not worth ranking the rest, TJD would be in there somewhere if he's in.

Are you getting the Beys mixed up or are you that high on Tyler? You don't have Saddiq ahead of Tillie?

I have Saddiq as a SF currently and I'm not that big on him anyways

Tyler Bey is in my tier 2, pretty high on him

[Roddy B for 3]

My top PF's are:

1. Toppin
2. T. Bey
3. Reed
4. Smith
5. Avdija
6. Perry
7. Pokusevski
8. Precious
9. Simanic

[The-Power]

Can someone tell me why Toppin seems to be unanimously ranked ahead of Reed, and often far ahead? I honestly prefer Reed and would rank him in the lottery. He should be an excellent defensive 4 who can play some small-ball 5 with switching potential and rim protection, and he has a versatile enough skillset to carve out a valuable role on offense for NBA teams. I trust his archetype much more than Toppin's and he's more than a year younger, too. So what is it, besides the vertical athleticism-power-combination?

[Stillwater]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29021183/teams-join-push-nba-move-draft-date-back
might be delayed...no surprise

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I think Oturu is underrated on here. He's the kind of player that could later become a star. How many big men in this draft are athletic and have a better offensive skill-set?

[Catchall]

Can someone tell me why Toppin seems to be unanimously ranked ahead of Reed, and often far ahead? I honestly prefer Reed and would rank him in the lottery. He should be an excellent defensive 4 who can play some small-ball 5 with switching potential and rim protection, and he has a versatile enough skillset to carve out a valuable role on offense for NBA teams. I trust his archetype much more than Toppin's and he's more than a year younger, too. So what is it, besides the vertical athleticism-power-combination?

Reed's role projects as a defensively versatile rotation big along the lines of a better version of Kevon Looney or Moe Harkless. Yes, he is a much better scorer than these two, but he needs to show he can stretch his shooting out to the 3pt line and needs to show better ball skills to play on the perimeter. He'll probably get drafted in the late 1st or early 2nd round.

People should recognize that he's only 20, despite having finished his junior year.

[Roddy B for 3]

I think Reed's best case is a similar player to current Ibaka. I think Toppin can be a guy who wins a 6moy and get some all-star buzz. A #3 scorer on a championship team. I have them both as Lotto prospects.

[Roddy B for 3]

Maybe 90% of current Ibaka for Reed

[getrichordie]

Toppin has to be the most controversial prospect in this draft, no?

If not him, maybe Ball?

Everyone seems to be split on Toppin.

[getrichordie]

Maybe 90% of current Ibaka for Reed

If we are comparing current Ibaka, I don’t think that’s fair. Ibaka can actually play the 5 full-time. Reed couldn’t do that. If we are comparing him to Ibaka playing the 4, then I think it is comparable.

Comparing young Reed to young Ibaka, I’d say Reed is closer to 70% Ibaka.

[Catchall]

Toppin has to be the most controversial prospect in this draft, no?

If not him, maybe Ball?

Everyone seems to be split on Toppin.

I've been saying that Toppin has some of the same strengths offensively and weaknesses defensively as Karl Towns. He's fluid and skilled, it's just that his big upper body and high, tight hips hurt his lateral movement. Toppin is a natural scoring 4. He just needs everyone else on the floor to help cover his defensive deficiencies.

He's polarizing for some of the same reasons Jabari Parker is polarizing.

[doordoor123]

Toppin has to be the most controversial prospect in this draft, no?

If not him, maybe Ball?

Everyone seems to be split on Toppin.

I don’t think so at all. We all know how good Toppin is, the only reason he might be controversial is that isn’t an ideal type of prospect. You can’t only look at the draft numerically and be right, that’s not how life works. The way the NBA plays changes every couple of years so the things teams look for are different now than they were even 4 years ago. So the sample size of what works Year to year is different. A trend right now in the draft is to draft older guys sooner because they can actually be really good. You can’t go with the same strategy every year with the draft because while Toppin might have fallen in other drafts just because of his age, teams now don’t want to miss out on an older player if they’re drafting sooner. This draft is also pretty busty at the top and Toppin makes a lot of sense top 5.

I’ve never been high on LaMelo and I personally wouldn’t want to pay him lottery money. He has natural talent for the game, but he’s terrible at thinking the game. He’s not a student of the game. He is super talented though and by his second contract he might be more interesting. If I’m a tanking team and I’m looking far into the future, I take him. I also just don’t think he helps create a winning culture and I don’t think he’s a good role model. Dude isn’t a leader and I cannot see him leading a team in his career. But he’s young, maybe he matures, but so far I don’t think he has. Even if he was going to be an NBA player, it’s terrible he doesn’t value learning and going school (talking about high school, not college). He reminds me a lot of the Andrew Wiggins first pick overall.

[getrichordie]

Spoiler:

Toppin has to be the most controversial prospect in this draft, no?

If not him, maybe Ball?

Everyone seems to be split on Toppin.

I don’t think so at all. We all know how good Toppin is, the only reason he might be controversial is that isn’t an ideal type of prospect. You can’t only look at the draft numerically and be right, that’s not how life works. The way the NBA plays changes every couple of years so the things teams look for are different now than they were even 4 years ago. So the sample size of what works Year to year is different. A trend right now in the draft is to draft older guys sooner because they can actually be really good. You can’t go with the same strategy every year with the draft because while Toppin might have fallen in other drafts just because of his age, teams now don’t want to miss out on an older player if they’re drafting sooner. This draft is also pretty busty at the top and Toppin makes a lot of sense top 5.

I’ve never been high on LaMelo and I personally wouldn’t want to pay him lottery money. He has natural talent for the game, but he’s terrible at thinking the game. He’s not a student of the game. He is super talented though and by his second contract he might be more interesting. If I’m a tanking team and I’m looking far into the future, I take him. I also just don’t think he helps create a winning culture and I don’t think he’s a good role model. Dude isn’t a leader and I cannot see him leading a team in his career. But he’s young, maybe he matures, but so far I don’t think he has. Even if he was going to be an NBA player, it’s terrible he doesn’t value learning and going school (talking about high school, not college). He reminds me a lot of the Andrew Wiggins first pick overall.

When was the last time a 22 year old was drafted top 5?