Trae Young

[916fan]

I just watched Oklahoma lose to Oklahoma State.

Today I would have hated to have been Trae Young's teammate. He took a lot of hero shots. One of his teammates intentionally looked him off late in the game.

They lost very predictably with Trae Young trying to dribble it all the way. Pass. The. Ball.

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

[Memgrizz0]

Might sound counter intuitive but I think he needs to play in a dual ball handler system.

You mean like Young + Conley?

[SportsGuy8]

I just watched Oklahoma lose to Oklahoma State.

Today I would have hated to have been Trae Young's teammate. He took a lot of hero shots. One of his teammates intentionally looked him off late in the game.

They lost very predictably with Trae Young trying to dribble it all the way. Pass. The. Ball.

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

Yep. Hero-ball simply has a negative effect on the whole team.

It's why I've always disliked players like Westbrook, Melo etc.

[HEZI]

Anybody questioning how Young will translate in the NBA should be watching this Warriors vs. Rockets game

Nothing but 1 on 1 chucking with a lot of turnovers. Even Chris Paul is just going iso 1 on 1 and taking shot after shot

Steph Curry

19 points
6-20 from the field
5-15 from 3
8 assists
6 turnovers

Trae Young will translate just fine in the NBA lol

But youre picking one of Curry's worst games of the year. Curry on the year is shooting 49/41/91, 59% from 2 and 67% at the rim, with a 6.5 assists to 3 turnovers. Curry in his career (College and NBA) has never average 4 turnovers a game. He has come close twice with 3.8. Chris Paul has had seasons where he has flirted with the 50/40/90 club, last season Paul's shooting numbers were 47/41/89, 52% from 2 and 60% at the rim. Paul has only averaged 3 turnovers or more 1 time in his college and NBA career and it was 3.0 turnovers on the dot. Paul has a career assist to turnover ratio better than 4:1.

Compare that to what Young is doing in the Big 12. 39/37/80 shooting numbers and is averaging 8 assists to 7 turnovers. He is also shooting 41% from 2 and 50% at the rim.

Im sorry either than shooting long 3s their games are drastically different. He plays nothing like Paul who is one of the most efficient PGs the game has ever seen and is a stud defender. When it comes to Curry, Curry is not just an elite 3pt shooter, he is an elite mid range and finisher as well, he is also efficient with the ball when it comes to assists and turnovers.

Why are you using Curry's season averages but then decide you only want to use Trae Young's conference play numbers and ignore his overall season numbers? You seem to be picking and choosing what you want to use in order to help support your argument. Well, last night Curry played a conference rival and stunk the joint up with bad shots, careless turnovers and little to no defense. All while playing on a team that is stacked and he isn't even getting double or triple teamed yet still taking bad shots and making bad decisions with the ball. We can even go back to his 2016 NBA Finals and we can find plenty of games where Curry looked just as bad as he did last night.

[TheSuzerain]

I just watched Oklahoma lose to Oklahoma State.

Today I would have hated to have been Trae Young's teammate. He took a lot of hero shots. One of his teammates intentionally looked him off late in the game.

They lost very predictably with Trae Young trying to dribble it all the way. Pass. The. Ball.

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

You realize that Oklahoma team went 11-20 last season with largely the same roster sans Trae Young?

[SlowPaced]

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

Don't want to derail the thread but this is an extremely lazy narrative. Kanter doesn't really look any different this year, he's just starting instead of coming off the bench. Oladipo's improvement has to do with the work he put in during the off-season. He really trimmed down and improved his outside shot. Hardly has anything to do with Westbrook.

[Duke4life831]

Anybody questioning how Young will translate in the NBA should be watching this Warriors vs. Rockets game

Nothing but 1 on 1 chucking with a lot of turnovers. Even Chris Paul is just going iso 1 on 1 and taking shot after shot

Steph Curry

19 points
6-20 from the field
5-15 from 3
8 assists
6 turnovers

Trae Young will translate just fine in the NBA lol

But youre picking one of Curry's worst games of the year. Curry on the year is shooting 49/41/91, 59% from 2 and 67% at the rim, with a 6.5 assists to 3 turnovers. Curry in his career (College and NBA) has never average 4 turnovers a game. He has come close twice with 3.8. Chris Paul has had seasons where he has flirted with the 50/40/90 club, last season Paul's shooting numbers were 47/41/89, 52% from 2 and 60% at the rim. Paul has only averaged 3 turnovers or more 1 time in his college and NBA career and it was 3.0 turnovers on the dot. Paul has a career assist to turnover ratio better than 4:1.

Compare that to what Young is doing in the Big 12. 39/37/80 shooting numbers and is averaging 8 assists to 7 turnovers. He is also shooting 41% from 2 and 50% at the rim.

Im sorry either than shooting long 3s their games are drastically different. He plays nothing like Paul who is one of the most efficient PGs the game has ever seen and is a stud defender. When it comes to Curry, Curry is not just an elite 3pt shooter, he is an elite mid range and finisher as well, he is also efficient with the ball when it comes to assists and turnovers.

Why are you using Curry's season averages but then decide you only want to use Trae Young's conference play numbers and ignore his overall season numbers? You seem to be picking and choosing what you want to use in order to help support your argument. Well, last night Curry played a conference rival and stunk the joint up with bad shots, careless turnovers and little to no defense. All while playing on a team that is stacked and he isn't even getting double or triple teamed yet still taking bad shots and making bad decisions with the ball. We can even go back to his 2016 NBA Finals and we can find plenty of games where Curry looked just as bad as he did last night.

Me using conference numbers is not just a Trae Young thing. I always prefer to use conference numbers especially if they haven't played the tournament yet. There is just too much noise in the stats because of the amount of mid major teams teams play that barely look like D1 teams in out of conference play at the start of the season. Plus there is a whole lot less scouting going on in out of conference play from the teams. To me conference play numbers are more accurate numbers because the quality of the average opponent is higher, there is more video on the players and you can see scouting reports being used. So to me conference play again especially before the tournament are better numbers because that tends to be their hardest part of the schedule.

Again this is not just a Trae Young thing, I always prefer to use conference play stats over complete season stats. Just let noise.

[DroseReturnChi]

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

You realize that Oklahoma team went 11-20 last season with largely the same roster sans Trae Young?

I cannot find any decent player on the Oklahoma team minus Trae Young. None of them would score more than 10 ppg a game and yet they are ranked top 5. Yeah, seems like 2-3 guys are barely over 11 ppg. Young's inefficiency comes from being forced to play 1v5 and probably the coach allows to take all the shots since none of them can make them consistently.

[TheSuzerain]

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

You realize that Oklahoma team went 11-20 last season with largely the same roster sans Trae Young?

I cannot find any decent player on the Oklahoma team minus Trae Young. None of them would score more than 10 ppg a game and yet they are ranked top 5. Yeah, seems like 2-3 guys are barely over 11 ppg. Young's inefficiency comes from being forced to play 1v5 and probably the coach allows to take all the shots since none of them can make them consistently.

He's not even inefficient most games. He's had an iffy week, but on the whole he's been an extremely efficient scorer. That's what happens when you go to the line 10 times a game and shoot like 90% from there.

[doordoor123]

You realize that Oklahoma team went 11-20 last season with largely the same roster sans Trae Young?

I cannot find any decent player on the Oklahoma team minus Trae Young. None of them would score more than 10 ppg a game and yet they are ranked top 5. Yeah, seems like 2-3 guys are barely over 11 ppg. Young's inefficiency comes from being forced to play 1v5 and probably the coach allows to take all the shots since none of them can make them consistently.

He's not even inefficient most games. He's had an iffy week, but on the whole he's been an extremely efficient scorer. That's what happens when you go to the line 10 times a game and shoot like 90% from there.

I wish he was able to draw fouls on 3 pointers more often.

[Alatan]

His conference play has reaffirmed my fears about his playstyle. He needs a lot of space to get off his shot yet he is average at creating it. That forces him to take up bad shots whenever he sees enough space to get them out. In the NBA those become even worse shots.

He has trouble finishing at the rim due to his lack of elite athleticism and size. NBA defenders will capitalize on this, overplaying him on the perimeter and forcing him to drive.

When a player has trouble scoring at 2 out of three levels it affects his ability to create for others.

I still think he will be a good NBA player but i doubt that his game will translate to a star level.

[clyde21]

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

Don't want to derail the thread but this is an extremely lazy narrative. Kanter doesn't really look any different this year, he's just starting instead of coming off the bench. Oladipo's improvement has to do with the work he put in during the off-season. He really trimmed down and improved his outside shot. Hardly has anything to do with Westbrook.

People need to stop pretending that ball monopolization by a single player is ever conducive to team-level development and improvement. Even this year Westbrook is having trouble playing within confines of an offense or contributing to the team when the ball isn't in his hands. This is not a scalable strategy long term or in the postseason.

I doubt that all of this improvement by Dipo is happening because "he slimmed down" in the offseason. Something is to be said when a player is allowed to play according to an offense and cadence instead of on the whims of a ball-dominant guard.

[Cappy_Smurf]

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball.

Kanter has been sitting out 4th quarters and overtimes. He is on his 3rd team and every coach he's had in the NBA has had to limit his minutes due to his defensive liability. He is exactly the same player he has been his entire NBA career.

Olidipo made some changes in his diet and work out routines and is healthier physically than he's ever been in his career. Orlando traded him away before he ever played with WB, so kinda hard to blame Russ when he didn't play well before he got there, either.

I doubt that all of this improvement by Dipo is happening because "he slimmed down" in the offseason. Something is to be said when a player is allowed to play according to an offense and cadence instead of on the whims of a ball-dominant guard.

Was WB also to blame for the way he played in Orlando? Regardless of whether you believe the reasons for Dipo's improvement, he's obviously a different player than he has ever been, including before WB ruined his game.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

You realize that Oklahoma team went 11-20 last season with largely the same roster sans Trae Young?

He's a GREAT player.

I criticize because I believe he's only going to get better. His teammates will be more engaged if he facilitates early and if Trae Young gives effort on defense BEFORE he takes the bulk of the shots. They're going to win more games with him as a decoy late than they will with him forcing shots. That is the only thing I hope to convey with any criticism.

Trae Young is going to be a top-5 pick. He's going to have a successful NBA career. I hope he closes this season HEALTHY, and on a positive note (as a good teammate). What he did against Oklahoma State was all teachable moments.

[No-Man]

I just watched Oklahoma lose to Oklahoma State.

Today I would have hated to have been Trae Young's teammate. He took a lot of hero shots. One of his teammates intentionally looked him off late in the game.

They lost very predictably with Trae Young trying to dribble it all the way. Pass. The. Ball.

His teammates maybe should've hit some shots, and learning to dribble wouldn't hurt either

That's the same argument people used against Westbrook. "oh his teammates suck, so he has to carry the load"..yet 1 year later, Kanter is having his best years since Utah, meanwhile Oladipo has been the face of Indiana basketball. I'm not saying any of Young's teammates are on their level of good, but you can't just sit there and act like he's surrounded by inept basketball players.

One thing I find odd is that lots of people question the IQ of Ayton, Bamba, and others..but no one questions the IQ of Trae Young.

Kanter still sucks
Oladipo wasnt even close to this level of a player last year, you can see it in his physical shape+he was hurt in OKC
OU roster is fine but they surely have nobody else that can create its own shot, and when their shooters are cold, they have no chance

[SlowPaced]

I doubt that all of this improvement by Dipo is happening because "he slimmed down" in the offseason. Something is to be said when a player is allowed to play according to an offense and cadence instead of on the whims of a ball-dominant guard.

He was the featured player in Orlando, main ball handler of the team. If Russ was really holding him back in OKC, why was he the exact same player in Orlando?

Oladipo's improvement is caused by him getting ripped in the summer, and significantly improving his jump shot which opened up his game. He went from a career 34% 3PT shooter to a 40% one on higher volume. Spare me the false narratives, please.

[No-Man]

Oladipo was miles better last year with RW on the floor than when he was the guy, not sure where the hell people are coming from

[Nazrmohamed]

He definitely played some hero ball in that game however I wouldn't necessarily make any grand assumptions based on it. His role, at least at this level has been to play hero and he typically gets good assist numbers. Today it was a detriment.

I don't think he'll have those issues at the nba level, nor do I believe he'll be putting up such godly stats as the level of competition is just higher.

My very minor concern is whether he can put on the necessary muscle to not get pushed around, as well as can he defend at this level. It's minor as we're seeing more and more small guards have success in the nba.

[cpower]

great player with a lot of offensive skills. I think he is overrated as a shooter though, as his FT% is not in the top tier range yet and FT% is a pretty good indicator of how good you can shoot in the next level.

[kodo]

Lol, this guy really is trying to get the next Curry narrative thing going:

That looks more like getting the Antoine Walker thing going.