Cameron Reddish

[Duke4life831]

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. A Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defense, he already is.

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

I have to disagree with the last paragraph, for the role he's in, he's put in a great stretch of games. I would say this Detroit game was his worst game this month and that was on a backend of a B2B with an ankle injury. His role isn't that complex these days. Provide great defense, make threes and be used a PnR ball handler which he has been much better at lately. He was 40% from three going into the DET game for the month of Jan. I can't argue if you are watching the games or not, I've never seen you in any Hawk related message board or Hawk anything. I wouldn't know but I trust that you are telling the truth from your perspective so I won't say otherwise there.

I obviously disagree with the first paragraph. I am more focus on him playing his role and making marked improvements. That's what I am watching for.

This is just solid on defense my friend?

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I think he has potential to be the best player in the NBA. I already told you why. You think he's a potential 3/D player. I think he is MUCH MUCH better than that potentially. For rookies who play both ends of the court and show talent on offense, most if not all don't shoot a good 3pt percentage as a rookie. Look at Leonard, PG, etc. With Cam's improvement, he's likely to finish 33-35% from 3. That means a lot considering he started the season a historically low like 5%-8% from 3 on 5 3 threes per game. That puts him in the zone for decent 3/D as a rookie. Why would you say that's his potential when it's possibly his rookie floor unless you don't think much of his potential?

I think you are dead ass wrong on Reddish. I already know the hater and Stillwater is dead ass wrong already on Reddish. Stillwater would take Aaron Holiday and Yogi Ferrell over Trae Young earlier this season. He said Reddish should have been undrafted and is trash. That's not the person you want to go to war with on this honestly.

DRPM has Cam at a -0.8, he has a -0.5 DBPM, and a -0.07 DRAPM. So ya I think him being a solid defender is a pretty accurate description. Also not a slight in anyway, being a solid defender as rookie wing is pretty damn good.

Also if you claim Cam plays both ends of the court, then you can say any player plays both ends of the court. Cam has been a horrible offensive player, there is no denying this. You say his role is simple, its essentially just a 3&D role. You know a lot of these kind of metrics basically just tell you how players are playing within their role. RPM isn't saying Danny Green was the best 2 guard in basketball last year, its saying he excelled in his role to a great extent. If Cam was only asked to be playing a 3&D role and excelling at it, he would be looking much better in these advanced metrics.

I think 3&D is his ceiling because I dont see any promise in any other aspect of his game. His complete lack of any ability at all with the ball in his hands on the college level, then followed up with being at just the 6th percentile in ISO and just 26th percentile in PnR duties. No I dont think that means much for his potential with the ball in his hands.

Also to say that you know youre completely right or wrong on a rookie player is dumb. You could end up being right about Cam, I could end up being right about Cam, Stillwater can end up being right about Cam. Who knows, he's played 40 games so far.

[King Ken]

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

I have to disagree with the last paragraph, for the role he's in, he's put in a great stretch of games. I would say this Detroit game was his worst game this month and that was on a backend of a B2B with an ankle injury. His role isn't that complex these days. Provide great defense, make threes and be used a PnR ball handler which he has been much better at lately. He was 40% from three going into the DET game for the month of Jan. I can't argue if you are watching the games or not, I've never seen you in any Hawk related message board or Hawk anything. I wouldn't know but I trust that you are telling the truth from your perspective so I won't say otherwise there.

I obviously disagree with the first paragraph. I am more focus on him playing his role and making marked improvements. That's what I am watching for.

This is just solid on defense my friend?

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I think he has potential to be the best player in the NBA. I already told you why. You think he's a potential 3/D player. I think he is MUCH MUCH better than that potentially. For rookies who play both ends of the court and show talent on offense, most if not all don't shoot a good 3pt percentage as a rookie. Look at Leonard, PG, etc. With Cam's improvement, he's likely to finish 33-35% from 3. That means a lot considering he started the season a historically low like 5%-8% from 3 on 5 3 threes per game. That puts him in the zone for decent 3/D as a rookie. Why would you say that's his potential when it's possibly his rookie floor unless you don't think much of his potential?

I think you are dead ass wrong on Reddish. I already know the hater and Stillwater is dead ass wrong already on Reddish. Stillwater would take Aaron Holiday and Yogi Ferrell over Trae Young earlier this season. He said Reddish should have been undrafted and is trash. That's not the person you want to go to war with on this honestly.

DRPM has Cam at a -0.8, he has a -0.5 DBPM, and a -0.07 DRAPM. So ya I think him being a solid defender is a pretty accurate description. Also not a slight in anyway, being a solid defender as rookie wing is pretty damn good.

Also if you claim Cam plays both ends of the court, then you can say any player plays both ends of the court. Cam has been a horrible offensive player, there is no denying this. You say his role is simple, its essentially just a 3&D role. You know a lot of these kind of metrics basically just tell you how players are playing within their role. RPM isn't saying Danny Green was the best 2 guard in basketball last year, its saying he excelled in his role to a great extent. If Cam was only asked to be playing a 3&D role and excelling at it, he would be looking much better in these advanced metrics.

I think 3&D is his ceiling because I dont see any promise in any other aspect of his game. His complete lack of any ability at all with the ball in his hands on the college level, then followed up with being at just the 6th percentile in ISO and just 26th percentile in PnR duties. No I dont think that means much for his potential with the ball in his hands.

I could care less about the DRPM or any metric where the team makes a massive impact if the team is extremely bad or extremely good. That's why the eye test is KING! I literally saw one metric that said Jabari Parker is a top 10 offensive player and Donte DeVincenzo is the best defender in the NBA. It's all rubbish to be honest. Mostly nerds who don't know anything about Basketball.

It's all about responsibility. We put more on Hunter and Reddish than the average rookie. I watch a lot of teams nightly. Most rookies have a small role with small assignments. Not ours. Same for kids like Ja, Culver, GS rookies, and Barrett who also have a lot of their plate. Kids like Hayes, Bruno, Coby White, Rui, and Gafford are just asked to do simple actions. You can't evaluate by stats when the roles are just completely different. That's why I watch the games.

Let's not compare rookies who play both ends to vets who excel in it. Please find guys with a lot of offensive responsibility who play defense and have a lot of defensive responsibilities who have good offensive metrics as ROOKIES. Go back the last 20 years if you have too.

You keep saying Cam is horrible offensively when I keep saying he is one of the most improved like Trae Young from December on like Trae was as a rookie. There is no doubt, Trae was the worst performing player in the NBA playing qualified mins from Oct/Nov last year. Same offensively for Reddish from Oct/Nov but since, Reddish has been shooting 33% from three and has been a lockdown defender for the Hawks but continue to live in this world of, but but but THE DATA! Screw the damn data. It's useless D4L. It is.

I've seen enough from Reddish to know he can beat most defenders off the dribble with ease and can get to any spot he wants on the court.

I've seen enough from Reddish to know that he is a PnR ball handler and our 3rd best on the roster outside of Trae and Kevin who start. Now 4th since we landed Teague.

If you want to talk about silly data, be my guest but you are missing out my friend. 100%. You do now what percentile 100% falls in? That's how confident I am in the stardom of Cam Reddish long term barring serious injury.

[Duke4life831]

I have to disagree with the last paragraph, for the role he's in, he's put in a great stretch of games. I would say this Detroit game was his worst game this month and that was on a backend of a B2B with an ankle injury. His role isn't that complex these days. Provide great defense, make threes and be used a PnR ball handler which he has been much better at lately. He was 40% from three going into the DET game for the month of Jan. I can't argue if you are watching the games or not, I've never seen you in any Hawk related message board or Hawk anything. I wouldn't know but I trust that you are telling the truth from your perspective so I won't say otherwise there.

I obviously disagree with the first paragraph. I am more focus on him playing his role and making marked improvements. That's what I am watching for.

This is just solid on defense my friend?

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I think he has potential to be the best player in the NBA. I already told you why. You think he's a potential 3/D player. I think he is MUCH MUCH better than that potentially. For rookies who play both ends of the court and show talent on offense, most if not all don't shoot a good 3pt percentage as a rookie. Look at Leonard, PG, etc. With Cam's improvement, he's likely to finish 33-35% from 3. That means a lot considering he started the season a historically low like 5%-8% from 3 on 5 3 threes per game. That puts him in the zone for decent 3/D as a rookie. Why would you say that's his potential when it's possibly his rookie floor unless you don't think much of his potential?

I think you are dead ass wrong on Reddish. I already know the hater and Stillwater is dead ass wrong already on Reddish. Stillwater would take Aaron Holiday and Yogi Ferrell over Trae Young earlier this season. He said Reddish should have been undrafted and is trash. That's not the person you want to go to war with on this honestly.

DRPM has Cam at a -0.8, he has a -0.5 DBPM, and a -0.07 DRAPM. So ya I think him being a solid defender is a pretty accurate description. Also not a slight in anyway, being a solid defender as rookie wing is pretty damn good.

Also if you claim Cam plays both ends of the court, then you can say any player plays both ends of the court. Cam has been a horrible offensive player, there is no denying this. You say his role is simple, its essentially just a 3&D role. You know a lot of these kind of metrics basically just tell you how players are playing within their role. RPM isn't saying Danny Green was the best 2 guard in basketball last year, its saying he excelled in his role to a great extent. If Cam was only asked to be playing a 3&D role and excelling at it, he would be looking much better in these advanced metrics.

I think 3&D is his ceiling because I dont see any promise in any other aspect of his game. His complete lack of any ability at all with the ball in his hands on the college level, then followed up with being at just the 6th percentile in ISO and just 26th percentile in PnR duties. No I dont think that means much for his potential with the ball in his hands.

I could care less about the DRPM or any metric where the team makes a massive impact if the team is extremely bad or extremely good. That's why the eye test is KING! I literally saw one metric that said Jabari Parker is a top 10 offensive player and Donte DeVincenzo is the best defender in the NBA. It's all rubbish to be honest. Mostly nerds who don't know anything about Basketball.

It's all about responsibility. We put more on Hunter and Reddish than the average rookie. I watch a lot of teams nightly. Most rookies have a small role with small assignments. Not ours. Same for kids like Ja, Culver, GS rookies, and Barrett who also have a lot of their plate. Kids like Hayes, Bruno, Coby White, Rui, and Gafford are just asked to do simple actions. You can't evaluate by stats when the roles are just completely different. That's why I watch the games.

Let's not compare rookies who play both ends to vets who excel in it. Please find guys with a lot of offensive responsibility who play defense and have a lot of defensive responsibilities who have good offensive metrics as ROOKIES. Go back the last 20 years if you have too.

You keep saying Cam is horrible offensively when I keep saying he is one of the most improved like Trae Young from December on like Trae was as a rookie. There is no doubt, Trae was the worst performing player in the NBA playing qualified mins from Oct/Nov last year. Same offensively for Reddish from Oct/Nov but since, Reddish has been shooting 33% from three and has been a lockdown defender for the Hawks but continue to live in this world of, but but but THE DATA! Screw the damn data. It's useless D4L. It is.

I've seen enough from Reddish to know he can beat most defenders off the dribble with ease and can get to any spot he wants on the court.

I've seen enough from Reddish to know that he is a PnR ball handler and our 3rd best on the roster outside of Trae and Kevin who start. Now 4th since we landed Teague.

If you want to talk about silly data, be my guest but you are missing out my friend. 100%. You do now what percentile 100% falls in? That's how confident I am in the stardom of Cam Reddish long term barring serious injury.

You do realize that I was quoting a post by you, with you using "data" to back up one of your points right? You show me his defensive Raptor and ask "This is just solid on defense my friend?"

So you have no issue pulling a stat when it may fit your narrative, but screw the rest of this silly data when it doesn't fit your narrative? I agree a single advanced metric isn't good, I like to look at as many as I can. Guess what from what I've seen and all of the different advanced metrics, ya I think calling Cam a solid defender is pretty accurate.

You say you've seen Cam beat his man off the dribble with ease enough. If that is the case why does he rank almost as low as you can in ISO? You'd think if he is beating his guy off the dribble all the time, he would have at least okayish numbers in ISO and PnR? Maybe just maybe you have confirmation bias and only focus on the few times he does something good but ignore the rest. Because yes all that silly data, all points to him being horrible on the offensive end.

Seriously what is with Duke fans not wanting to look at stats? Advanced stats is like holy water to a vampire with Duke fans for some reason. Ive got Duke fans on a Duke board saying they dont believe in advanced stats and they mean nothing because the game isn't played on a spread sheet. Then I got you basically saying, anyone who doesn't agree with you is just some nerd that only looks at stats and those numbers dont mean anything.

[King Ken]

DRPM has Cam at a -0.8, he has a -0.5 DBPM, and a -0.07 DRAPM. So ya I think him being a solid defender is a pretty accurate description. Also not a slight in anyway, being a solid defender as rookie wing is pretty damn good.

Also if you claim Cam plays both ends of the court, then you can say any player plays both ends of the court. Cam has been a horrible offensive player, there is no denying this. You say his role is simple, its essentially just a 3&D role. You know a lot of these kind of metrics basically just tell you how players are playing within their role. RPM isn't saying Danny Green was the best 2 guard in basketball last year, its saying he excelled in his role to a great extent. If Cam was only asked to be playing a 3&D role and excelling at it, he would be looking much better in these advanced metrics.

I think 3&D is his ceiling because I dont see any promise in any other aspect of his game. His complete lack of any ability at all with the ball in his hands on the college level, then followed up with being at just the 6th percentile in ISO and just 26th percentile in PnR duties. No I dont think that means much for his potential with the ball in his hands.

I could care less about the DRPM or any metric where the team makes a massive impact if the team is extremely bad or extremely good. That's why the eye test is KING! I literally saw one metric that said Jabari Parker is a top 10 offensive player and Donte DeVincenzo is the best defender in the NBA. It's all rubbish to be honest. Mostly nerds who don't know anything about Basketball.

It's all about responsibility. We put more on Hunter and Reddish than the average rookie. I watch a lot of teams nightly. Most rookies have a small role with small assignments. Not ours. Same for kids like Ja, Culver, GS rookies, and Barrett who also have a lot of their plate. Kids like Hayes, Bruno, Coby White, Rui, and Gafford are just asked to do simple actions. You can't evaluate by stats when the roles are just completely different. That's why I watch the games.

Let's not compare rookies who play both ends to vets who excel in it. Please find guys with a lot of offensive responsibility who play defense and have a lot of defensive responsibilities who have good offensive metrics as ROOKIES. Go back the last 20 years if you have too.

You keep saying Cam is horrible offensively when I keep saying he is one of the most improved like Trae Young from December on like Trae was as a rookie. There is no doubt, Trae was the worst performing player in the NBA playing qualified mins from Oct/Nov last year. Same offensively for Reddish from Oct/Nov but since, Reddish has been shooting 33% from three and has been a lockdown defender for the Hawks but continue to live in this world of, but but but THE DATA! Screw the damn data. It's useless D4L. It is.

I've seen enough from Reddish to know he can beat most defenders off the dribble with ease and can get to any spot he wants on the court.

I've seen enough from Reddish to know that he is a PnR ball handler and our 3rd best on the roster outside of Trae and Kevin who start. Now 4th since we landed Teague.

If you want to talk about silly data, be my guest but you are missing out my friend. 100%. You do now what percentile 100% falls in? That's how confident I am in the stardom of Cam Reddish long term barring serious injury.

You do realize that I was quoting a post by you, with you using "data" to back up one of your points right? You show me his defensive Raptor and ask "This is just solid on defense my friend?"

So you have no issue pulling a stat when it may fit your narrative, but screw the rest of this silly data when it doesn't fit your narrative? I agree a single advanced metric isn't good, I like to look at as many as I can. Guess what from what I've seen and all of the different advanced metrics, ya I think calling Cam a solid defender is pretty accurate.

You say you've seen Cam beat his man off the dribble with ease enough. If that is the case why does he rank almost as low as you can in ISO? You'd think if he is beating his guy off the dribble all the time, he would have at least okayish numbers in ISO and PnR? Maybe just maybe you have confirmation bias and only focus on the few times he does something good but ignore the rest. Because yes all that silly data, all points to him being horrible on the offensive end.

Seriously what is with Duke fans not wanting to look at stats? Advanced stats is like holy water to a vampire with Duke fans for some reason. Ive got Duke fans on a Duke board saying they dont believe in advanced stats and they mean nothing because the game isn't played on a spread sheet. Then I got you basically saying, anyone who doesn't agree with you is just some nerd that only looks at stats and those numbers dont mean anything.

Probably because most Duke fans and alums are very smart and can see that excel spreadsheet evals are pointless as can be. Trash way to evaluate players especially young raw players like Cam Reddish.

You literally must have missed the post where I mentioned the areas of improvement for Reddish offensively:
Shooting
Finishing
Feel for the game
Strength
Needs to develop craft

All of these areas are critical for his data. Just being able to beat people off the dribble is not enough. You need to be able to handle contact in traffic, you need to be able to shoot with on the move, you need to be able to finish in traffic, you need to have a feel for the game to know what to do when before you get the ball so when you get the ball, and you can play chess with the defender/defense.

You need the strength to fight through contact. You need to develop craft so you can sell the foul and force the defense into a bad decision. This is more important when you are like Cam and Lou where you lack explosiveness. Because of AoI, he's gonna be rough in efficiency stats unless he is making his 3 ball at a freakishly high percentage with freakishly high volume. It's self explanatory my brother.

It's silly data. It means nothing honestly. Watch the games. Your eyes tell the truth.

[The_Hater]

He does flash potential when you watch the games. That's why I never look at synergy for rookies. It's a waste of time. A lot of Cam's turnovers are feet out of bounds and adjusting to the NBA stuff. Just watch all the games and watch then multiple times over and see for yourself.

I completely disagree with Stillwater on the entire statement. He isn't a primary or secondary handler yet, I would avoid doing what he suggested just watching all of the games and I always disagreed with him in terms of his level of athlete. I always felt Reddish is an excellent athlete. Just a completely different one if you are looking at what you think is Cam's prototype.

That's part of the reason why fans like yourself D4L thinks he can't string together good games in a row when I disagree. It's all about his role and where you see him long term. That's why Cam is constantly misjudged on this site.

For me, Cam has had a decent rookie year. Already a + defender for anyone and a ++ defender for a rookie. Has prototype that's appealing to me long term. Which is a volume 3pt shooting and volume scoring wing who can eventually draw fouls at a high clip when his feel for the game and craft comes as he develops. I think Cam will be a superstar and a potential best player in the NBA type.

His game will never be a favorite of 2FG% and those stats. But once his shot is constantly around 37-40% and his volume is close to 10 3pg, his impact will be felt and he will be one of the toughest players in the NBA. A Tony Allen like defensive player who's extremely versatile and can defend 1-3 and an offensive player who potentially could score like Lou Williams and volume shoot like Devante' Graham. That's why I am sky high on him. His potential is insane. His skill level is high and his talent level is exceptional. Its things like strength, feel for the game, shooting, and developing craft that's holding him back at this moment.

Cam will be a special offensive player. You gotta throw away the metrics for him. I had to do with we several players before and he's another one. He can be special on offense and defense, he already is.

I dont think he can string together good games in a row, because for years he has yet to be able to do it no matter the situation. I hate the situation excuse as well, Cam landed in the ideal situation in college and landed in the ideal situation in the NBA as well. He has 10 games where he has a TS% under 30%, vs only 12 games where he had a TS% 50% or above.

Yes hes been solid on defense, that just shows how horrible he has been offensively when you look at his overall impact stats. You want to sit here and say he has good potential as a 3&D guy, fine Im not going to argue that. I think Cam's ceiling is a solid 3&D guy. But Im not going to buy the excuses of he isn't in a good situation, the stats dont do him justice and even though every single stat shows him having a horrific season, he's actually been solid, he hasn't.

And by the way I have actually started to watch a lot more of Hawks games. Ive watched about 15-20 of their games now and their last 5 games.

I have to disagree with the last paragraph, for the role he's in, he's put in a great stretch of games. I would say this Detroit game was his worst game this month and that was on a backend of a B2B with an ankle injury. His role isn't that complex these days. Provide great defense, make threes and be used a PnR ball handler which he has been much better at lately. He was 40% from three going into the DET game for the month of Jan. I can't argue if you are watching the games or not, I've never seen you in any Hawk related message board or Hawk anything. I wouldn't know but I trust that you are telling the truth from your perspective so I won't say otherwise there.

I obviously disagree with the first paragraph. I am more focus on him playing his role and making marked improvements. That's what I am watching for.

This is just solid on defense my friend?

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I think he has potential to be the best player in the NBA..

Wow. Not wavering even an inch during the debacle that has been Cam Reddish. Impressive commitment. .

So why is it that we’re supposed to toke the defensive stats you just posted here at face value, even though defence stats on the whole are at best flawed, but at the same time you’re telling us to completely ignore his horrible offensive stat? (Expect his high school numbers apparently)

I’m 99% sure you won’t answer this, just pointing out your hypocrisy.

[mattg]

I used the eye test to evaluate Cam last year at Duke because I saw the statistical profile and thought no way is he that bad. And I was right, it’s just that he was even worse than the awful stats made him appear. Can’t dribble without looking down at the ball, can’t gather off the dribble at all (good luck ever finishing consistently), absolutely no playmaking ability, literally zero clue how to move off ball and play off others, poor instincts on both ends, and overall, just he looked like he didn’t know how to play basketball on a higher level than some random kid who is an athletic 6’8” and has played pickup before so he shows up to the preseason high school open gym.

If reddish carved out a career as an 8th-10th man 3+D guy then Atlanta should feel like they hit a grand slam, because reddish is far far closer to non nba player than he is to quality rotation piece.

[GimmeDat]

Cam certainly looks the part on a good day. It's really hard not to buy in to him when you watch highlights.

Obviously, on the other hand, his percentages are abysmal, and it only reinforces the underwhelming production we saw at college level.

But heck, I hold out some hope for him still. He's shooting the ball better lately. He's displayed some ability to finish more strongly at the rim from the clips I've seen (though I've frequently seen him getting blocked as well).

One thing's for sure, he's going to need to shoot the ball well. He certainly hasn't proved anything yet in that regard, 29% from 3 on the season, but I'm going to continue to keep an eye on him, I think there's a chance it could all pan out for him. He's already an excellent defender.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I mean I want to put up 50 dollars that says if I watch 5 atlanta hawk games I won't feel like reddish is some special player. I think you'd need king ken's level of bias or precognitive abilities fo figure that one out.

[King Ken]

Cam certainly looks the part on a good day. It's really hard not to buy in to him when you watch highlights.

Obviously, on the other hand, his percentages are abysmal, and it only reinforces the underwhelming production we saw at college level.

But heck, I hold out some hope for him still. He's shooting the ball better lately. He's displayed some ability to finish more strongly at the rim from the clips I've seen (though I've frequently seen him getting blocked as well).

One thing's for sure, he's going to need to shoot the ball well. He certainly hasn't proved anything yet in that regard, 29% from 3 on the season, but I'm going to continue to keep an eye on him, I think there's a chance it could all pan out for him. He's already an excellent defender.

I think you are in the middle GimmeDat. You want to see more and you are willing to be patience. I would say this is where most Hawks fans are with Reddish.

I am considered on the high end and have been since he was a prospect.

There are others like quite a few we see here who are on the low end.

I honestly think people who see things like you are the most realistic. You see good, you see bad, you see youth, and you give it time.

[GimmeDat]

Cam certainly looks the part on a good day. It's really hard not to buy in to him when you watch highlights.

Obviously, on the other hand, his percentages are abysmal, and it only reinforces the underwhelming production we saw at college level.

But heck, I hold out some hope for him still. He's shooting the ball better lately. He's displayed some ability to finish more strongly at the rim from the clips I've seen (though I've frequently seen him getting blocked as well).

One thing's for sure, he's going to need to shoot the ball well. He certainly hasn't proved anything yet in that regard, 29% from 3 on the season, but I'm going to continue to keep an eye on him, I think there's a chance it could all pan out for him. He's already an excellent defender.

I think you are in the middle GimmeDat. You want to see more and you are willing to be patience. I would say this is where most Hawks fans are with Reddish.

I am considered on the high end and have been since he was a prospect.

There are others like quite a few we see here who are on the low end.

I honestly think people who see things like you are the most realistic. You see good, you see bad, you see youth, and you give it time.

Well you're also a Hawks fan Ken, so I'm sure it's enjoyable to be on the high on end on him. I'm sure the flashes of good play are genuinely exciting, and I hope he pans out for you guys.

We can all always be quick to jump on guys early, especially if it appears to affirm our previous predictions, but at the end of the day, they are rookies, there's still so much more to play out. But look, on the flip-side, patience isn't always a virtue, and sometimes being able to identify a 'bust' early is good in terms of selling high, but there's always a level of guesswork made in those assessments.

I'm kind of in the same boat with Coby White, honestly. He's certainly demonstrated a dynamism on-ball as a shot creator, and his defense for a rookie's been pretty solid, but he's on a 48 TS%, and is not a PG, frequently has the blinders on.

[King Ken]

Cam certainly looks the part on a good day. It's really hard not to buy in to him when you watch highlights.

Obviously, on the other hand, his percentages are abysmal, and it only reinforces the underwhelming production we saw at college level.

But heck, I hold out some hope for him still. He's shooting the ball better lately. He's displayed some ability to finish more strongly at the rim from the clips I've seen (though I've frequently seen him getting blocked as well).

One thing's for sure, he's going to need to shoot the ball well. He certainly hasn't proved anything yet in that regard, 29% from 3 on the season, but I'm going to continue to keep an eye on him, I think there's a chance it could all pan out for him. He's already an excellent defender.

I think you are in the middle GimmeDat. You want to see more and you are willing to be patience. I would say this is where most Hawks fans are with Reddish.

I am considered on the high end and have been since he was a prospect.

There are others like quite a few we see here who are on the low end.

I honestly think people who see things like you are the most realistic. You see good, you see bad, you see youth, and you give it time.

Well you're also a Hawks fan Ken, so I'm sure it's enjoyable to be on the high on end on him. I'm sure the flashes of good play are genuinely exciting, and I hope he pans out for you guys.

We can all always be quick to jump on guys early, especially if it appears to affirm our previous predictions, but at the end of the day, they are rookies, there's still so much more to play out. But look, on the flip-side, patience isn't always a virtue, and sometimes being able to identify a 'bust' early is good in terms of selling high, but there's always a level of guesswork made in those assessments.

I'm kind of in the same boat with Coby White, honestly. He's certainly demonstrated a dynamism on-ball as a shot creator, and his defense for a rookie's been pretty solid, but he's on a 48 TS%, and is not a PG, frequently has the blinders on.

I know guys like Harden and Curry make it look easy, even youth like Young and Doncic but the NBA is EXTREMELY hard. All of these rookies need time. Even Morant and Barrett need time to adjust.

It is, because you see the improvement. It was a bummer to see Cam in the preseason and the first two months. While he showed some flashes, he was bad a lot more than decent on offense. Defensively, he's been solid since day 1 and been pretty good since December for any defender.

He's been in the gym and the weight room. He is handling contact better. He is shooting MUCH better hence shooting 41% so far this Jan on 4.6 3pt a game playing 27 mpg. A far cry from his college numbers of volume but excellent for a rookie wing. Like all of the rookies, he is still a work in progress but man, it's hard not to be excited.

You seen the slashing potential. You see the quick trigger. You see his defense for a 6'9 wing. While I think he maybe 2 years away, his floor is high to me. Already a -3.4 +/- player for the 2nd month in a row. That's pretty good considering our bench is horrible and he's on a bad team. His first two months was awful, especially November.
https://stats.nba.com/player/1629629/traditional/

He's not perfect and he really doesn't have a model prototype that he is in but he's unique and that matters to me.

Coby will take time, like most of his class, they aren't completely ready for the roles they will be in, during year 4-6 for these players.

[Stillwater]

the issue is all in his head and the same sentiment goes for his supporters...

[Jamaaliver]

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[King Ken]

Reddish barely gets touches, that's the most shameful ****

[clyde21]

he's been really good the last 5 games or so, but still needs to see more consistency, definitely is shooting better now than vs. earlier in the year

[clyde21]

Reddish issues are well documented. Great toolbox but poor motor, little assertiveness. Also, his jumper has greatly improved and the form looks good but thus far it's still streaky as hell. Reddish with Barrett's mindset and motor easily goes number one next year – but unfortunately, you can't just switch the mentality of players.

love how 2 years later this post still perfectly applies lol

[King Ken]

Reddish issues are well documented. Great toolbox but poor motor, little assertiveness. Also, his jumper has greatly improved and the form looks good but thus far it's still streaky as hell. Reddish with Barrett's mindset and motor easily goes number one next year – but unfortunately, you can't just switch the mentality of players.

love how 2 years later this post still perfectly applies lol

Except it's not true. He has the best motor defensively period. It's hilarious when I hear anyone question his motor, do you watch the freaking games nephew?

[Ruzious]

Cam certainly looks the part on a good day. It's really hard not to buy in to him when you watch highlights.

Obviously, on the other hand, his percentages are abysmal, and it only reinforces the underwhelming production we saw at college level.

But heck, I hold out some hope for him still. He's shooting the ball better lately. He's displayed some ability to finish more strongly at the rim from the clips I've seen (though I've frequently seen him getting blocked as well).

One thing's for sure, he's going to need to shoot the ball well. He certainly hasn't proved anything yet in that regard, 29% from 3 on the season, but I'm going to continue to keep an eye on him, I think there's a chance it could all pan out for him. He's already an excellent defender.

I watched last night's game. Granted, the Wiz defense was ridiculously bad, but Reddish passed the eye test and then some. He looked like a top prospect who just needs time to develop. And I don't get how some in this thread don't think he's a good athlete. Athleticism is clearly not a weakness of his.

[CP War Hawks]

Cam is turning the corner a bit. Nothing like Bolt rounding the track in a 200m race or anything. For the month he's shooting 41% on 3s. To take the next step he has to improve his body.

He needs some poly metrics to improve his verticality and about 10-15 pounds of some good weight. He gets to basket just fine, it just a mess with him jumping into defenders with his lack of hang time and strength to finish.

[clyde21]

last 6 games: 47/50/79