2023 NBA Draft

[Big J]

The greatest of all time of all time?
The GOATOAT

I mean Luka killed him in euro stats.
Porzingis had better euroleague stats.

So we're projecting the GOAT based on the 2 G league games and dimensions/potential?

Yes, most stats are meaningless when projecting NBA success.

What about minutes per game?

Victor is on 18mpg, do you not have concerns about the bubble wrap or lack of conditioning for full minute games?

It’s silly to be concerned about these types of things when you have a generation guy like Wemby. He moves like a freaking 7’4 KD. The whole world saw what he can do in Vegas.

[clyde21]

Yes, most stats are meaningless when projecting NBA success.

What about minutes per game?

Victor is on 18mpg, do you not have concerns about the bubble wrap or lack of conditioning for full minute games?

It’s silly to be concerned about these types of things when you have a generation guy like Wemby. He moves like a freaking 7’4 KD. The whole world saw what he can do in Vegas.

lol relax broski 3 pages ago u wouldn't even draft him

[Big J]

What about minutes per game?

Victor is on 18mpg, do you not have concerns about the bubble wrap or lack of conditioning for full minute games?

It’s silly to be concerned about these types of things when you have a generation guy like Wemby. He moves like a freaking 7’4 KD. The whole world saw what he can do in Vegas.

lol relax broski 3 pages ago u wouldn't even draft him

I liked you better when I was on your ignore list. As for Wemby, there is new evidence. He lit the entire sports world on fire with what he did in Vegas.

[zimpy27]

Yes, most stats are meaningless when projecting NBA success.

What about minutes per game?

Victor is on 18mpg, do you not have concerns about the bubble wrap or lack of conditioning for full minute games?

It’s silly to be concerned about these types of things when you have a generation guy like Wemby. He moves like a freaking 7’4 KD. The whole world saw what he can do in Vegas.

Right but you have no feel for how his body would perform in a full season. How lax his movements and joints get towards the end of a 30mpg game.

[Big J]

What about minutes per game?

Victor is on 18mpg, do you not have concerns about the bubble wrap or lack of conditioning for full minute games?

It’s silly to be concerned about these types of things when you have a generation guy like Wemby. He moves like a freaking 7’4 KD. The whole world saw what he can do in Vegas.

Right but you have no feel for how his body would perform in a full season. How lax his movements and joints get towards the end of a 30mpg game.

You're overthinking it man.

[zimpy27]

It’s silly to be concerned about these types of things when you have a generation guy like Wemby. He moves like a freaking 7’4 KD. The whole world saw what he can do in Vegas.

Right but you have no feel for how his body would perform in a full season. How lax his movements and joints get towards the end of a 30mpg game.

You're overthinking it man.

Sure, I think out things.

I think in a reward-to-risk ratio type way. So while I can appreciate how high the reward is, the risk is also very high and I don't think that's being as appreciated.

I think Victor has a 80% chance of being an MVP level player if he doesn't suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
I also think there's an 95% he does suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
So that means there is a 4% chance in my mind that he stays healthy and becomes an MVP level player.

That is very high but I think I have Scoot with a slightly higher chance as we currently stand.

[FrightCoward]

Wemby is literally the GOAT prospect of all time.

That’s debatable, but he’s certainly up there. Three greatest prospects of all-time are LeBron, KAJ, and now Wemby. People easily forget now, but the LeBron hype was out of this world and he was hyped for a longer time than Wemby has been. Put him and Wemby in the same draft, and I’d still take LeBron, especially because he doesn’t come with the injury concerns. KAJ coming out of college was other worldly dominant and was seen as the best big man prospect with the most unguardable shot in NBA history. We’ll see where Wemby lands, but pray he stays healthy because history isn’t on his side.

[Big J]

Wemby is literally the GOAT prospect of all time.

That’s debatable, but he’s certainly up there. Three greatest prospects of all-time are LeBron, KAJ, and now Wemby. People easily forget now, but the LeBron hype was out of this world and he was hyped for a longer time than Wemby has been. Put him and Wemby in the same draft, and I’d still take LeBron, especially because he doesn’t come with the injury concerns. KAJ coming out of college was other worldly dominant and was seen as the best big man prospect with the most unguardable shot in NBA history. We’ll see where Wemby lands, but pray he stays healthy because history isn’t on his side.

There were some character issues with Bron before he was drafted. I remember the hummer thing being a pretty big deal.

[Hal14]

Right but you have no feel for how his body would perform in a full season. How lax his movements and joints get towards the end of a 30mpg game.

You're overthinking it man.

Sure, I think out things.

I think in a reward-to-risk ratio type way. So while I can appreciate how high the reward is, the risk is also very high and I don't think that's being as appreciated.

I think Victor has a 80% chance of being an MVP level player if he doesn't suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
I also think there's an 95% he does suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
So that means there is a 4% chance in my mind that he stays healthy and becomes an MVP level player.

That is very high but I think I have Scoot with a slightly higher chance as we currently stand.

Oh c'mon. 95%, you gotta be kidding me lol.

[zimpy27]

You're overthinking it man.

Sure, I think out things.

I think in a reward-to-risk ratio type way. So while I can appreciate how high the reward is, the risk is also very high and I don't think that's being as appreciated.

I think Victor has a 80% chance of being an MVP level player if he doesn't suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
I also think there's an 95% he does suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
So that means there is a 4% chance in my mind that he stays healthy and becomes an MVP level player.

That is very high but I think I have Scoot with a slightly higher chance as we currently stand.

Oh c'mon. 95%, you gotta be kidding me lol.

That's based on the rate of significant injury in players taller than 7 foot.

[Big J]

Sure, I think out things.

I think in a reward-to-risk ratio type way. So while I can appreciate how high the reward is, the risk is also very high and I don't think that's being as appreciated.

I think Victor has a 80% chance of being an MVP level player if he doesn't suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
I also think there's an 95% he does suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
So that means there is a 4% chance in my mind that he stays healthy and becomes an MVP level player.

That is very high but I think I have Scoot with a slightly higher chance as we currently stand.

Oh c'mon. 95%, you gotta be kidding me lol.

That's based on the rate of significant injury in players taller than 7 foot.

He doesn’t move like those other guys. He runs like a freaking gazelle. This isn’t Greg Oden who walked with a limp before he entered the league.

[Colbinii]

You're overthinking it man.

Sure, I think out things.

I think in a reward-to-risk ratio type way. So while I can appreciate how high the reward is, the risk is also very high and I don't think that's being as appreciated.

I think Victor has a 80% chance of being an MVP level player if he doesn't suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
I also think there's an 95% he does suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
So that means there is a 4% chance in my mind that he stays healthy and becomes an MVP level player.

That is very high but I think I have Scoot with a slightly higher chance as we currently stand.

Oh c'mon. 95%, you gotta be kidding me lol.

I agree, 95% is completely irrational and arbitrary.

Realistically it is likely with in 40-70% range. Rik Smits was relatively healthy through his 20s and Big Z struggled with a foot injury early in his career hut strung together a healthy prime.

Wemby moves smother than any 7+ Footer I have ever seen. He has advanced health and wellness on his side and has been doing everything in his power [As have his parents and Agents] to build his body in a injury-resistant body.

[zimpy27]

Sure, I think out things.

I think in a reward-to-risk ratio type way. So while I can appreciate how high the reward is, the risk is also very high and I don't think that's being as appreciated.

I think Victor has a 80% chance of being an MVP level player if he doesn't suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
I also think there's an 95% he does suffer injury that long-term inhibits his movement.
So that means there is a 4% chance in my mind that he stays healthy and becomes an MVP level player.

That is very high but I think I have Scoot with a slightly higher chance as we currently stand.

Oh c'mon. 95%, you gotta be kidding me lol.

I agree, 95% is completely irrational and arbitrary.

Realistically it is likely with in 40-70% range. Rik Smits was relatively healthy through his 20s and Big Z struggled with a foot injury early in his career hut strung together a healthy prime.

Wemby moves smother than any 7+ Footer I have ever seen. He has advanced health and wellness on his side and has been doing everything in his power [As have his parents and Agents] to build his body in a injury-resistant body.

You're working feels in to facts.

Every high level basketball prospect has a ton of people working to help them have optimum health.

Why do you think he only played 18mpg so far while Oden played 29mpg in college?

You have to know they also are worried about injury chances with Victor.

[Hal14]

Oh c'mon. 95%, you gotta be kidding me lol.

I agree, 95% is completely irrational and arbitrary.

Realistically it is likely with in 40-70% range. Rik Smits was relatively healthy through his 20s and Big Z struggled with a foot injury early in his career hut strung together a healthy prime.

Wemby moves smother than any 7+ Footer I have ever seen. He has advanced health and wellness on his side and has been doing everything in his power [As have his parents and Agents] to build his body in a injury-resistant body.

You're working feels in to facts.

Every high level basketball prospect has a ton of people working to help them have optimum health.

Why do you think he only plays 18mpg while Oden played 29mpg in college?

You have to know they also are worried about injury chances with Victor.

lmao. Victor is averaging 30.4 MPG so far this season.

82 total mins in 3 games in FRance. Then in the 2 games vs g league ignite he played 33 and 37 mins. Combine the 5 games together and it comes to 30.4 MPG.

He played 17.4 MPG last year but that was when he was 17. No idea why you would be comparing a 17 yr old playing pro ball to an 18 yr old playing college ball.

[bravor]

He's playing in avg 27mn a game in a league where winning games matter. And that's one of the reason why he left his former team as he wanted to play more and improve with our nt coach.

He already played a lot of minutes when he was playing in youngster competition

Feel free to drop a list of prospects who are playing 30mn at 17, whatever their size, in pro leagues...

Yes, his body is not ready for the nba, yes there are injury concern. But like EVERY freaking prospect. Its not like Andre Miller is the rule for the average nba player, is it ?

Anyway it would be cool to be back with the topic, it's becoming a 'does victor deserve the #1 or not'. There are 29 franchise who will pick other prospects in the 1st round.

[zimpy27]

I agree, 95% is completely irrational and arbitrary.

Realistically it is likely with in 40-70% range. Rik Smits was relatively healthy through his 20s and Big Z struggled with a foot injury early in his career hut strung together a healthy prime.

Wemby moves smother than any 7+ Footer I have ever seen. He has advanced health and wellness on his side and has been doing everything in his power [As have his parents and Agents] to build his body in a injury-resistant body.

You're working feels in to facts.

Every high level basketball prospect has a ton of people working to help them have optimum health.

Why do you think he only plays 18mpg while Oden played 29mpg in college?

You have to know they also are worried about injury chances with Victor.

lmao. Victor is averaging 30.4 MPG so far this season.

82 total mins in 3 games in FRance. Then in the 2 games vs g league ignite he played 33 and 37 mins. Combine the 5 games together and it comes to 30.4 MPG.

He played 17.4 MPG last year but that was when he was 17. No idea why you would be comparing a 17 yr old playing pro ball to an 18 yr old playing college ball.

Those games have been the most encouraging by far but not enough sample size. If he keeps going at this rate sure, which I have stated many times. If he keeps up these numbers for this season while avoiding injury then I'd take him number 1.

I'm simply projecting from what is known right now, where it seems like others are jumping ahead.

[GSWFan1994]

Big J 3 pages ago: this guy is trash, I'm quite sure

Big J right now: marry me, Victor

[The-Power]

You're working feels in to facts.

What are your ‘facts’ with respect to his health predictions, MVP odds and reasons for him playing 18 MPG? Because to me that also sounds an awfully lot like speculation and conjecture.

[The-Power]

I'm simply projecting from what is known right now, where it seems like others are jumping ahead.

You claim that he played only 18 MPG because of injury concerns. That's also just speculation unless you can substantiate it.

[zimpy27]

You're working feels in to facts.

What are your ‘facts’ with respect to his health predictions, MVP odds and reasons for him playing 18 MPG? Because to me that also sounds an awfully lot like speculation and conjecture.

If you follow the conversation from the beginning you will know the answer.

In any case, this has derailed to a Victor thread so keen to not go over it again.