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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#581 » by HiDef » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:04 am

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HiDef wrote:Don't care about arguing over positions, but we can just add Miller to the list of PFs who got treated like they were "unicorns" for doing a bad impression of a wing.

When you look at what he's actually good at, he's a PF.


We don’t have to argue but I personally don’t see what makes him a PF based on his skillset. Traditional or modern day PF. What is he good at that makes him a PF? I do understand that the forward positions are starting to blend a little more together but he has forward size with respectable handle that largely plays on the perimeter. Has some self creation and some guard skills. He rebounds well for his position which you could argue is a PF or front court thing. I just don’t see how you can outright call him a PF. I personally don’t understand this.

I’m not sure which PFs you’d compare him to because most of his comps have been SFs.


How I look at positions is more about athletic profile. So what I really mean to say more than anything- I don't really see how Miller is just a "6'9 wing" and that makes him valuable, when he doesn't move like a wing, he's 6'9, high handle, high center of gravity, not much separation ability. I don't think he fits into that "archetype" at all.

As for his skillset.. He's basically just a faceup PF who faces up all the way from the perimeter... but not much going on in terms of counters, pullups, turnarounds.. no 1st step, not very explosive.. His day 1 NBA skills- open 3p shooting, rebounding, switching, some touch in the short midrange, solid footwork, running the floor in transition... To me, sounds like a PF
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#582 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:18 am

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clyde21 wrote:i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.


Even if he is just a bigger Kevin Martin Jr he has failed.

I think he will be closer to a larger Kevin Martin Jr than he will Paul George or Jayson Tatum.


Kevin Martin and Danny Granger didn’t have the same passing ability as Miller. Miller will probably average 7-8 dimes at his peak.

LMAO at 7-8 assists


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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#583 » by deepeeenn » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:21 am

HiDef wrote:How I look at positions is more about athletic profile. So what I really mean to say more than anything- I don't really see how Miller is just a "6'9 wing" and that makes him valuable, when he doesn't move like a wing, he's 6'9, high handle, high center of gravity, not much separation ability. I don't think he fits into that "archetype" at all.

As for his skillset.. He's basically just a faceup PF who faces up all the way from the perimeter... but not much going on in terms of counters, pullups, turnarounds.. no 1st step, not very explosive.. His day 1 NBA skills- open 3p shooting, rebounding, switching, some touch in the short midrange, solid footwork, running the floor in transition... To me, sounds like a PF


See I guess for me based on what you said, I still don’t see him as a PF. If he doesn’t develop, all I see is him as a baseline SF that would inevitably be labeled a bust as a #2 or 3 pick. Because I think if you were to play him as a PF, he’d be also pretty mediocre. His position is largely tied with where he’d be most successful, so to me if he isn’t at SF and I don’t think he’d be as a PF. Then he’s a failed pro; a bust.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#584 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:26 am

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deepeeenn wrote:
HiDef wrote:Don't care about arguing over positions, but we can just add Miller to the list of PFs who got treated like they were "unicorns" for doing a bad impression of a wing.

When you look at what he's actually good at, he's a PF.


We don’t have to argue but I personally don’t see what makes him a PF based on his skillset. Traditional or modern day PF. What is he good at that makes him a PF? I do understand that the forward positions are starting to blend a little more together but he has forward size with respectable handle that largely plays on the perimeter. Has some self creation and some guard skills. He rebounds well for his position which you could argue is a PF or front court thing. I just don’t see how you can outright call him a PF. I personally don’t understand this.

I’m not sure which PFs you’d compare him to because most of his comps have been SFs.


How I look at positions is more about athletic profile. So what I really mean to say more than anything- I don't really see how Miller is just a "6'9 wing" and that makes him valuable, when he doesn't move like a wing, he's 6'9, high handle, high center of gravity, not much separation ability. I don't think he fits into that "archetype" at all.

As for his skillset.. He's basically just a faceup PF who faces up all the way from the perimeter... but not much going on in terms of counters, pullups, turnarounds.. no 1st step, not very explosive.. His day 1 NBA skills- open 3p shooting, rebounding, switching, some touch in the short midrange, solid footwork, running the floor in transition... To me, sounds like a PF

Compare and contrast with Trey Murphy III


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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#585 » by HiDef » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:12 am

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HiDef wrote:
deepeeenn wrote:
We don’t have to argue but I personally don’t see what makes him a PF based on his skillset. Traditional or modern day PF. What is he good at that makes him a PF? I do understand that the forward positions are starting to blend a little more together but he has forward size with respectable handle that largely plays on the perimeter. Has some self creation and some guard skills. He rebounds well for his position which you could argue is a PF or front court thing. I just don’t see how you can outright call him a PF. I personally don’t understand this.

I’m not sure which PFs you’d compare him to because most of his comps have been SFs.


How I look at positions is more about athletic profile. So what I really mean to say more than anything- I don't really see how Miller is just a "6'9 wing" and that makes him valuable, when he doesn't move like a wing, he's 6'9, high handle, high center of gravity, not much separation ability. I don't think he fits into that "archetype" at all.

As for his skillset.. He's basically just a faceup PF who faces up all the way from the perimeter... but not much going on in terms of counters, pullups, turnarounds.. no 1st step, not very explosive.. His day 1 NBA skills- open 3p shooting, rebounding, switching, some touch in the short midrange, solid footwork, running the floor in transition... To me, sounds like a PF

Compare and contrast with Trey Murphy III


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Sure. Bama ran Miller off screens to get him the same kinds of looks Trey Murphy gets just by wiggling around and jumping.


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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#586 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:11 pm

Brandon Miller is Danny Granger 2.0

I see his peak 26 ppg

He doesn't have the explosive athleticism to be Paul George who a lot of people are comparing him to. He is more of a average athlete which is why Danny Granger is the perfect comparison and his ability to shoot the 3 ball.

Charlotte would be crazy to pass him up especially since they already have Melo at pg. Scoot will not reach his full potential sharing the rock with Melo.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#587 » by Big J » Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:43 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Brandon Miller is Danny Granger 2.0

I see his peak 26 ppg

He doesn't have the explosive athleticism to be Paul George who a lot of people are comparing him to. He is more of a average athlete which is why Danny Granger is the perfect comparison and his ability to shoot the 3 ball.

Charlotte would be crazy to pass him up especially since they already have Melo at pg. Scoot will not reach his full potential sharing the rock with Melo.


Granger didn't have Miller's vision & passing instincts.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#588 » by kobyz » Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:02 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Brandon Miller is Danny Granger 2.0

I see his peak 26 ppg

He doesn't have the explosive athleticism to be Paul George who a lot of people are comparing him to. He is more of a average athlete which is why Danny Granger is the perfect comparison and his ability to shoot the 3 ball.

Charlotte would be crazy to pass him up especially since they already have Melo at pg. Scoot will not reach his full potential sharing the rock with Melo.

Miller is Rashard Lewis with a little Brandon Ingram
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#589 » by CptCrunch » Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:25 pm

Miller with some kind of point forward/3rd playing making potential has to be some kind of bad joke. This kind of potential is like saying Kobe Bufkin has Kobe potential.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#590 » by Big J » Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:53 pm

CptCrunch wrote:Miller with some kind of point forward/3rd playing making potential has to be some kind of bad joke. This kind of potential is like saying Kobe Bufkin has Kobe potential.


He's not going to be a point forward because his handle isn't good enough for that, but his vision and passing are massively underrated. He's not a black hole like some people are making him out to be.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#591 » by Colbinii » Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:14 pm

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CptCrunch wrote:Miller with some kind of point forward/3rd playing making potential has to be some kind of bad joke. This kind of potential is like saying Kobe Bufkin has Kobe potential.


He's not going to be a point forward because his handle isn't good enough for that, but his vision and passing are massively underrated. He's not a black hole like some people are making him out to be.


Miller makes reads quick enough where anyone saying he will be a black hole is just as wrong as saying he will peak at 7-8 APG :lol:
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#592 » by clyde21 » Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:27 pm

not sure what the point of this convo is tbh, his playmaking is ancillary, no one is drafting Miller to be a primary or secondary handler or a point forward. his passing is a nice get out of jail card that's about it, but that is not why he's going to be on the court unless there is some outlier development there.

he makes nice reads/passes but it's nothing out of the ordinary and it's really a baseline requirement in today's NBA more than anything else for a wing or combo forward.
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Post#593 » by GSWFan1994 » Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:41 pm

Big J: "Brandon Miller's not going to be a point forward because his handle isn't good enough for that".

Also Big J: "in his peak, Miller will average 7/8 assists".

Please someone, tell me names of point forwards who fit both criterias in NBA's history.

Even some of the best point forwards, like Grant Hill, T-Mac, LeBron hardly had seasons like that.

Either Brandon Miller's shaping up to be one of the best players ever, or... you know it.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#594 » by Big J » Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:50 pm

clyde21 wrote:not sure what the point of this convo is tbh, his playmaking is ancillary, no one is drafting Miller to be a primary or secondary handler or a point forward. his passing is a nice get out of jail card that's about it, but that is not why he's going to be on the court unless there is some outlier development there.

he makes nice reads/passes but it's nothing out of the ordinary and it's really a baseline requirement in today's NBA more than anything else for a wing or combo forward.


It's actually not a baseline requirement for wings. Tons of wings are strictly shooters/scorers a la Kispert, Keegan Murray, MPJ, Duncan Robinson, Wiggins, ect. For Miller it's not going to be what he's asked to do as a rookie or sophomore, but as he grows and gains a larger role in an offense he has the ability to use it as a counter when he draws extra attention.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#595 » by EvanZ » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:04 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Big J: "Brandon Miller's not going to be a point forward because his handle isn't good enough for that".

Also Big J: "in his peak, Miller will average 7/8 assists".

Please someone, tell me names of point forwards who fit both criterias in NBA's history.

Even some of the best point forwards, like Grant Hill, T-Mac, LeBron hardly had seasons like that.

Either Brandon Miller's shaping up to be one of the best players ever, or... you know it.

Draymond is the only non-scoring forward/center that comes to mind.


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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#596 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:15 pm

kobyz wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Brandon Miller is Danny Granger 2.0

I see his peak 26 ppg

He doesn't have the explosive athleticism to be Paul George who a lot of people are comparing him to. He is more of a average athlete which is why Danny Granger is the perfect comparison and his ability to shoot the 3 ball.

Charlotte would be crazy to pass him up especially since they already have Melo at pg. Scoot will not reach his full potential sharing the rock with Melo.

Miller is Rashard Lewis with a little Brandon Ingram

More Brandon Ingram.

Rashard Lewis had no handle and was mainly a 3pt shooter and he had a post up game early in his career.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#597 » by SeattleJazzFan » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:50 pm

miller is a better pure shooter than most guys he's been compared to in this thread. his handle and passing are being underrated as well. how good will or can he be? who knows, but nba people obviously think very highly of him.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#598 » by Diop » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:35 pm

He sounds a bit like Detlef Schrempf.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#599 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:04 pm

CptCrunch wrote:Miller with some kind of point forward/3rd playing making potential has to be some kind of bad joke. This kind of potential is like saying Kobe Bufkin has Kobe potential.

He projects as a good secondary play making wing, as evidenced here at the 8:44 mark:



Miller also had a higher assist % as a freshman that KD, Tatum and Ingram.
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Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama 

Post#600 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:08 pm

Hal14 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Miller with some kind of point forward/3rd playing making potential has to be some kind of bad joke. This kind of potential is like saying Kobe Bufkin has Kobe potential.

He projects as a good secondary play making wing, as evidenced here at the 8:44 mark:



Miller also had a higher assist % as a freshman that KD, Tatum and Ingram.


while technically true, he was also like 2 years older than all of them lol

i dont want to keep pounding the same drum, but this matters in this age bracket.

also none of those 3 guys i'd consider top 3 playmakers on any team...in fact that reason Celtics are losing in the POs is b/c Tatum has games where he can't playmake for ****.

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