Anthony Black - Arkansas

[basketballRob]

Black is only 9 months older than Castle, who'll likely win the ROY this season, and they put up similar stats. Castle is getting more opportunities on a tanking team.

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Not really:

They have similar scoring efficiency (bad) but that ignores Castle is taking more and tougher shots than Black, especially from 3 where a lot of Castle's shots are really long while Black gets much more wide open corner 3s, also Castle has shown more ability getting to the rim. Lastly, being a rookie vs sophomore goes beyond the 9 and a half month difference, it's an extra year of getting used to the NBA game. I like Black, but I think Castle is the better prospect and it's not really close IMO.

Hopefully, they have a rivalry for years to come. Black badly outplayed him in the last game.

Thanks for posting that stat head. Now I'm convinced Black is currently better.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202502080ORL.html

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[basketballRob]

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[wemby]

Black is only 9 months older than Castle, who'll likely win the ROY this season, and they put up similar stats. Castle is getting more opportunities on a tanking team.

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Not really:

They have similar scoring efficiency (bad) but that ignores Castle is taking more and tougher shots than Black, especially from 3 where a lot of Castle's shots are really long while Black gets much more wide open corner 3s, also Castle has shown more ability getting to the rim. Lastly, being a rookie vs sophomore goes beyond the 9 and a half month difference, it's an extra year of getting used to the NBA game. I like Black, but I think Castle is the better prospect and it's not really close IMO.

Hopefully, they have a rivalry for years to come. Black badly outplayed him in the last game.

Black provides more defense, and it's not really close.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202502080ORL.html

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Nah, sorry... Black isn't a better defensive prospect than Castle if you look at the games, most these arguments come down to catch all metrics that are more about team context than anything else, which is dumb when comparing different contexts. In that one game you bring up the only thing in Black's favor is scoring and efficiency, he shot 8/9 which is an anomaly. Every other stat favors Castle. I wouldn't call that badly outplaying, it's more cherry picking than anything else. I've watched both a lot, and again, I think Castle has shown more even this season, which already is an unfair comparison since Black has one more year under his belt.

[basketballRob]

Not really:

They have similar scoring efficiency (bad) but that ignores Castle is taking more and tougher shots than Black, especially from 3 where a lot of Castle's shots are really long while Black gets much more wide open corner 3s, also Castle has shown more ability getting to the rim. Lastly, being a rookie vs sophomore goes beyond the 9 and a half month difference, it's an extra year of getting used to the NBA game. I like Black, but I think Castle is the better prospect and it's not really close IMO.

Hopefully, they have a rivalry for years to come. Black badly outplayed him in the last game.

Black provides more defense, and it's not really close.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202502080ORL.html

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Nah, sorry... Black isn't a better defensive prospect than Castle if you look at the games, most these arguments come down to catch all metrics that are more about team context than anything else, which is dumb when comparing different contexts. In that one game you bring up the only thing in Black's favor is scoring and efficiency, he shot 8/9 which is an anomaly. Every other stat favors Castle. I wouldn't call that badly outplaying, it's more cherry picking than anything else. I've watched both a lot, and again, I think Castle has shown more even this season, which already is an unfair comparison since Black has one more year under his belt.

They are similar prospects. Castle is probably a little better offensively and Black slightly better defensively.

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[basketballRob]

51/42/88 over his last 9 games.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/anthony-black-stats-over-last-9-games

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[JMAC3]

I agree trying to dunk on someone by saying they badly outplayed the other when it was probably the most efficient game Black has played all year is cherry picking. Black couldn't miss that game and scored only 20 points, whereas Castle had an average game and scored 15 pts while also playing a more well rounded game.

Even the way you look at Black statistically is how you would view a role player. Celebrating shooting splits while averaging 9 or 12 ppg over 10 game samples, that is role player stuff.

Castle is averaging 19.5 ppg over 17 games in March, Black just doesn't have that gear.

[165bows]

There should be a board where people just discuss old prospects, kind of a graduated nba prospect board or something.

[eyriq]

Shooting 31% from three and 48% efg% on low volume averaging 9 ppg is not what most people would say means a guy can shoot. On 2.5 3 pt attempts per game too, gross. Only people excited to see Black shoot a 3 is the opposing team.

I don't think it's gross at all, nor do I think you've accurately represented his ability to shoot. 39%, 40% post all-star break. Double digit scoring. Great defense.

Imagine looking at a whole year of shooting stats 70 games, 174 3 pt attempts... and get told you are misrepresenting the data and you really should ignore that, but instead focus more on 18 games post all star and those 50 3pt attempts instead.

You act like it’s shocking to ask you to use common sense in evaluating a young prospect. Theatrics don’t really make a point except that you are unserious about AB. Stay on that side, it’s obvious he’s hit and you’ll eat a lot of crow.

[JMAC3]

I don't think it's gross at all, nor do I think you've accurately represented his ability to shoot. 39%, 40% post all-star break. Double digit scoring. Great defense.

Imagine looking at a whole year of shooting stats 70 games, 174 3 pt attempts... and get told you are misrepresenting the data and you really should ignore that, but instead focus more on 18 games post all star and those 50 3pt attempts instead.

You act like it’s shocking to ask you to use common sense in evaluating a young prospect. Theatrics don’t really make a point except that you are unserious about AB. Stay on that side, it’s obvious he’s hit and you’ll eat a lot of crow.

Yes, obvious that me as a 3rd party bystander is the unserious one. The two homer magic fans gushing about a player averaging 9 ppg on 48% efg are the ones who should be the main voices in the room. Making excuses for Black constantly and why him playing behind the likes of Cole Anthony, Markelle Fultz, Gary Harris and Cory Joseph are all more than acceptable.

He is 28th percentile by EPM, not even close to a league average contributor, this whole he is a hit and I will eat crow thing is a good bit I suppose. His best scoring month by splits for his career is 10.8 ppg. There isn't even a period of time he flashed that he is more that a good role player, other than maybe 2-3 game blips

I don't expect Magic fans to say he sucks, or give up on him, but also anyone trying to sell him as the same level of player as Stephon Castle can't be taken seriously.

[JMAC3]

There should be a board where people just discuss old prospects, kind of a graduated nba prospect board or something.

I mean we are mainly discussing guys in year 1,2 and sometimes year 3. Which is the whole crux of the draft board discussion on how good these guys will be during their rookie contracts and where they should be ranked, drafted etc...

If there is no discussion of a player post draft then what is all the pre-draft discussion exist for?

[165bows]

There should be a board where people just discuss old prospects, kind of a graduated nba prospect board or something.

I mean we are mainly discussing guys in year 1,2 and sometimes year 3. Which is the whole crux of the draft board discussion on how good these guys will be during their rookie contracts and where they should be ranked, drafted etc...

If there is no discussion of a player post draft then what is all the pre-draft discussion exist for?

I’m mainly joking though for me the real thing is it’s a bigger discussion than the actual draft prospects themselves.

[JMAC3]

There should be a board where people just discuss old prospects, kind of a graduated nba prospect board or something.

I mean we are mainly discussing guys in year 1,2 and sometimes year 3. Which is the whole crux of the draft board discussion on how good these guys will be during their rookie contracts and where they should be ranked, drafted etc...

If there is no discussion of a player post draft then what is all the pre-draft discussion exist for?

I’m mainly joking though for me the real thing is it’s a bigger discussion than the actual draft prospects themselves.

Yeah, that usually picks up a lot more heavily once the NBA season is over. At least for me, Middle of April I will start deep diving more into the prospects, especially guys 15-45 on my board. Then around the middle of May around combine and draft lottery is where the heated debates will pick up. Everything up to that point is everybody likes every prospect, no real lines drawn in the sand.

Then overnight you hate people 7th on your board because you don't have them 3rd and the real fun starts. So you get about a month of people at each other for the 30 days between combine and draft night.

[ReggiesKnicks]

There should be a board where people just discuss old prospects, kind of a graduated nba prospect board or something.

The General Board? The teams board typically has individual threads for each player.

[JMAC3]

How is this guy playing less than Cory Joseph lol

[clyde21]

How is this guy playing less than Cory Joseph lol

it's gotta be a mental illness, that's the only explanation

[JMAC3]

How is this guy playing less than Cory Joseph lol

it's gotta be a mental illness, that's the only explanation

Or the explanation is the post isn't about the whole season, dur dur durrrrr.

The whole point is Magic will play anyone over Black - Fultz, Cole Anthony and now Cory Joseph.
Now that Suggs and Cole Anthony (missed 9 of last 13) are hurt.
The Magic are now resorting to playing next man up over Black- not a good look.

Last 5 games.

Cory Joseph 26 mins- started
Black 21 mins

Cory Joseph 25 mins - started
Black 23 mins

Cory Joseph 18 mins - started
Black 20 mins

Cory Joseph 29 mins - started
Black 19 mins

Cory Joseph 23 mins - started
Anthony Black 25 mins

When you can't win majority of minutes over Cory Joseph it is an issue.

[clyde21]

wtf are you talking about kid, Ant Black is 3rd on the Magic in total mins, lmao.

[JMAC3]

wtf are you talking about kid, Ant Black is 3rd on the Magic in total mins, lmao.

Cool story, he has played in 75 games, who cares where he ranks in total minutes. You know this, but for some reason you have this weird obsession with defending him so you are presenting garbage data.

He is playing under 24 mpg.

And as mentioned he is playing virtually the same minutes as Cory Joseph right now. Suggs out for the year, Cole Anthony hurt. Instead of giving Black 35 mpg they are starting Cory Joseph lololololololol

but anyways, we can continue to make excuses for him.

[clyde21]

wtf are you talking about kid, Ant Black is 3rd on the Magic in total mins, lmao.

Cool story, he has played in 75 games, who cares where he ranks in total minutes. You know this, but for some reason you have this weird obsession with defending him so you are presenting garbage data.

He is playing under 24 mpg.

And as mentioned he is playing virtually the same minutes as Cory Joseph right now. Suggs out for the year, Cole Anthony hurt. Instead of giving Black 35 mpg they are starting Cory Joseph lololololololol

but anyways, we can continue to make excuses for him.

you're fkn embarrassing yourself my G, walk away before it gets worse.

[JMAC3]

wtf are you talking about kid, Ant Black is 3rd on the Magic in total mins, lmao.

Cool story, he has played in 75 games, who cares where he ranks in total minutes. You know this, but for some reason you have this weird obsession with defending him so you are presenting garbage data.

He is playing under 24 mpg.

And as mentioned he is playing virtually the same minutes as Cory Joseph right now. Suggs out for the year, Cole Anthony hurt. Instead of giving Black 35 mpg they are starting Cory Joseph lololololololol

but anyways, we can continue to make excuses for him.

you're fkn embarrassing yourself my G, walk away before it gets worse.

Yes, me. The guy who is down on the NBA player averaging 24 mpg, 9ppg on 47% EFG%, 31% from three, with an EPM of 26%. I am the one embarrassing myself for bringing up he can't beat out 33 yr old Cory Joseph for meaningful minutes.

We should instead be focused on him being 3rd in total minutes ahead of injured Suggs, injured Paolo etc... because that is what the smart fans care about. Total Minutes played.