AJ Dybantsa

[vincecarter4pres]

He will fit in well but he's not averaging 20ppg as a rookie unless Trae Young and AD both are hurt most of the year.

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I wouldn’t rule that out lol.

[Benjammin]

He will fit in well but he's not averaging 20ppg as a rookie unless Trae Young and AD both are hurt most of the year.

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I wouldn’t rule that out lol.

I wouldn't either given their recent history.

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[ReggiesKnicks]

He will fit in well but he's not averaging 20ppg as a rookie unless Trae Young and AD both are hurt most of the year.

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I wouldn’t rule that out lol.

I wouldn't either given their recent history.

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He might average 20 PPG, but he will need to be taking 18-19 FGA/G in order to get that. This would mean the team is terrible, as there are a lot of mouths to feed (AD/Trae/Sarr/Kyshawn/Tre) and a handful of other young guys.

AJ also isn't the type or level of prospect like Flagg/Wemby where you just give them full reigns of the offense and let them trial and error with 30%+ Usage Rate for the back-end of the season.

I'd expect him to be around 15-18 PPG, but he is going to struggle to score efficiently early in his career.

[Felixians4]

Memphis could very quickly become the next OKC or SAS. Edey showed extreme upside in a little under 300 minutes on the floor this season. And I mean extreme upside. If he can get healthy and build on what he showed, watch out. Add to that continued Cedric Coward development and Cameron Boozer exceeding expectations. That's a foundational core of high-quality talent with high basketball IQ and great intangibles that fit together.

I'm keeping a keen eye on the Grizzlies.

As MEM fan i have to say, not a chance that will happen. Edey is great, but he drafted year later than Wemby, older than him with a more injury problems and definitely not close to Wemby and SGA or Holmgren level(close to Holmgren definitely) and versatility. OKC and SAS had a lot of draft picks, OKC still having MEM having too but not picking in top2. Grizzlies should be competitive at West, but every Playoffs they will play would be good season for them. OKC and SAS are dynasties

[SeattleJazzFan]

I wouldn’t rule that out lol.

I wouldn't either given their recent history.

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He might average 20 PPG, but he will need to be taking 18-19 FGA/G in order to get that. This would mean the team is terrible, as there are a lot of mouths to feed (AD/Trae/Sarr/Kyshawn/Tre) and a handful of other young guys.

AJ also isn't the type or level of prospect like Flagg/Wemby where you just give them full reigns of the offense and let them trial and error with 30%+ Usage Rate for the back-end of the season.

I'd expect him to be around 15-18 PPG, but he is going to struggle to score efficiently early in his career.

he's going to destroy nba spacing. it will be 20+ (if he's on the wizards) on 60%+ TS

[ReggiesKnicks]

I wouldn't either given their recent history.

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He might average 20 PPG, but he will need to be taking 18-19 FGA/G in order to get that. This would mean the team is terrible, as there are a lot of mouths to feed (AD/Trae/Sarr/Kyshawn/Tre) and a handful of other young guys.

AJ also isn't the type or level of prospect like Flagg/Wemby where you just give them full reigns of the offense and let them trial and error with 30%+ Usage Rate for the back-end of the season.

I'd expect him to be around 15-18 PPG, but he is going to struggle to score efficiently early in his career.

he's going to destroy nba spacing. it will be 20+ (if he's on the wizards) on 60%+ TS

I mean the Wizards don't even have good spacing.

Can you name the last player to score at a similar volume and efficiency in their college season as their rookie season?

[Upperclass]

I wouldn’t rule that out lol.

I wouldn't either given their recent history.

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He might average 20 PPG, but he will need to be taking 18-19 FGA/G in order to get that. This would mean the team is terrible, as there are a lot of mouths to feed (AD/Trae/Sarr/Kyshawn/Tre) and a handful of other young guys.

AJ also isn't the type or level of prospect like Flagg/Wemby where you just give them full reigns of the offense and let them trial and error with 30%+ Usage Rate for the back-end of the season.

I'd expect him to be around 15-18 PPG, but he is going to struggle to score efficiently early in his career.

AJ will average 25+ as one of the best paint finishers in the league and a large ft draw rate. His impact on whatever team will be immediate and obvious and outweighs Flagg by a good margin.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I wouldn't either given their recent history.

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He might average 20 PPG, but he will need to be taking 18-19 FGA/G in order to get that. This would mean the team is terrible, as there are a lot of mouths to feed (AD/Trae/Sarr/Kyshawn/Tre) and a handful of other young guys.

AJ also isn't the type or level of prospect like Flagg/Wemby where you just give them full reigns of the offense and let them trial and error with 30%+ Usage Rate for the back-end of the season.

I'd expect him to be around 15-18 PPG, but he is going to struggle to score efficiently early in his career.

AJ will average 25+ as one of the best paint finishers in the league and a large ft draw rate. His impact on whatever team will be immediate and obvious and outweighs Flagg by a good margin.

AJ is a much worse prospect than Flagg and Flagg was better a year younger.

[tmorgan]

I just don’t get the Flagg pessimists. Yea, even the pessimists know he’s probably an All-Star next year (and if not, definitely in year three), but that’s selling him so incredibly short. Dybantsa is going to have to absolutely kill it as a finisher to be a young player on Flagg’s level, because he isn’t as good a passer (but not bad) and not in the same universe as a defender. There’s a small (very small) chance he scores more and/or more efficiently than Flagg next year, but that’s not enough to be on Cooper’s level as a complete player.

I’m willing to sig bet anyone interested that Flagg is considered a top 3 player under 25 at the conclusion of next season. That’s obviously Wemby and pick one other of your choice scenario. To me, he’s already the #2 asset in the NBA. He’s playing next year at 19/20. He’s going to get so much better, and he’s already so good. How can you not see this? I have absolutely zero rooting interest for or against the Mavericks and I can see it plain as day!

[FrodoBaggins]

I agree. AJ may reach a higher PPG and TS%, but the relative lack of an all-around game compared to Cooper will result in a lesser offensive impact. Durant and LeBron are the best high-end examples of this outcome from the forward position. A more one-dimensional scorer versus a more dynamic point forward.

I'm sure Dybantsa will develop his passing and playmaking, but I think it'll round out to something more like DeRozan or Siakam, and not a Hill, Pippen, or LeBron. That's to say, not a point forward that can run the offense, but a scorer that can pass to find the open man. Flagg projects as more of the former.

As for off-ball offense, I guess it depends on how they both round out as shooters. I think Cooper's shown more upside as an all-around shooter, although he's got his warts as a three-point shooter in the NBA. We'll have to see how that particular skill develops for him, but he's the better free-throw shooter and comparable mid-range shooter. AJ was better from the mid-range in college, but Cooper is basically the same age and shot the shorter mid-range quite well in the NBA.

But a lot of off-ball offense is about IQ, habits, and tendencies. Things like cutting, screening, rolling, and offensive rebounding. Cooper has always done these things naturally and intuitively because he started out his development as more of a defensive-minded role player. AJ has always been the primary scorer, IIRC, so he's always had the ball in his hands and focused on scoring. That's his ingrained style of play and behavior/mindset. I don't see him developing that Jimmy Butler mentality that's inherent in Flagg.

[Upperclass]

He might average 20 PPG, but he will need to be taking 18-19 FGA/G in order to get that. This would mean the team is terrible, as there are a lot of mouths to feed (AD/Trae/Sarr/Kyshawn/Tre) and a handful of other young guys.

AJ also isn't the type or level of prospect like Flagg/Wemby where you just give them full reigns of the offense and let them trial and error with 30%+ Usage Rate for the back-end of the season.

I'd expect him to be around 15-18 PPG, but he is going to struggle to score efficiently early in his career.

AJ will average 25+ as one of the best paint finishers in the league and a large ft draw rate. His impact on whatever team will be immediate and obvious and outweighs Flagg by a good margin.

AJ is a much worse prospect than Flagg and Flagg was better a year younger.

There isnt anything on offense Flagg does better than AJ right now.. He maybe jumps higher.

[ReggiesKnicks]

AJ will average 25+ as one of the best paint finishers in the league and a large ft draw rate. His impact on whatever team will be immediate and obvious and outweighs Flagg by a good margin.

AJ is a much worse prospect than Flagg and Flagg was better a year younger.

There isnt anything on offense Flagg does better than AJ right now.. He maybe jumps higher.

Significantly better and quicker processor is a good place to start.

[SeattleJazzFan]

AJ will average 25+ as one of the best paint finishers in the league and a large ft draw rate. His impact on whatever team will be immediate and obvious and outweighs Flagg by a good margin.

AJ is a much worse prospect than Flagg and Flagg was better a year younger.

There isnt anything on offense Flagg does better than AJ right now.. He maybe jumps higher.

he's a better passer - AJ is a good passer, Flagg is an excellent passer. AJ jumps higher - significantly higher. AJ is a more natural and skilled scorer.

Flagg probably the better player due to defense and passing while still being a damn good scorer.

[Upperclass]

AJ is a much worse prospect than Flagg and Flagg was better a year younger.

There isnt anything on offense Flagg does better than AJ right now.. He maybe jumps higher.

Significantly better and quicker processor is a good place to start.

Flagg isnt a natural offensive talent.. he is big, and fast, has pretty good overall IQ and has built a solid jumpshot..AJ is a natural offensive talent. He isnt the passer Flagg is but is a better, easier scorer.. imo

[SeattleJazzFan]

There isnt anything on offense Flagg does better than AJ right now.. He maybe jumps higher.

Significantly better and quicker processor is a good place to start.

Flagg isnt a natural offensive talent.. he is big, and fast, has pretty good overall IQ and has built a solid jumpshot..AJ is a natural offensive talent. He isnt the passer Flagg is but is a better, easier scorer.. imo

i'm not really sure how it can be argued - Dybantsa averaged more points on better efficiency, in a tougher league.

objectively, based on the evidence in front of us, Dybantsa at the same stage is the superior scorer.

and that's okay - even if one is a fan of Cooper. Cooper is the better all around player at this point. he's incredible. probably the most untouchable player in the league this side of Wemby.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Significantly better and quicker processor is a good place to start.

Flagg isnt a natural offensive talent.. he is big, and fast, has pretty good overall IQ and has built a solid jumpshot..AJ is a natural offensive talent. He isnt the passer Flagg is but is a better, easier scorer.. imo

i'm not really sure how it can be argued - Dybantsa averaged more points on better efficiency, in a tougher league.

objectively, based on the evidence in front of us, Dybantsa at the same stage is the superior scorer.

and that's okay - even if one is a fan of Cooper. Cooper is the better all around player at this point. he's incredible. probably the most untouchable player in the league this side of Wemby.

Flagg is also a full year younger than AJ during their freshman years.

I don't disagree AJ was better in college.

Flagg is the quickest learner and absorber of basketball skill I have ever seen. He is the ultimate sponge. This makes his growth more exponential versus linear. We will see how AJ does, and I'm optimistic his offensive scoring prowess will translate, but he isn't the same type of sponge as Flagg.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Flagg isnt a natural offensive talent.. he is big, and fast, has pretty good overall IQ and has built a solid jumpshot..AJ is a natural offensive talent. He isnt the passer Flagg is but is a better, easier scorer.. imo

i'm not really sure how it can be argued - Dybantsa averaged more points on better efficiency, in a tougher league.

objectively, based on the evidence in front of us, Dybantsa at the same stage is the superior scorer.

and that's okay - even if one is a fan of Cooper. Cooper is the better all around player at this point. he's incredible. probably the most untouchable player in the league this side of Wemby.

Flagg is also a full year younger than AJ during their freshman years.

I don't disagree AJ was better in college.

Flagg is the quickest learner and absorber of basketball skill I have ever seen. He is the ultimate sponge. This makes his growth more exponential versus linear. We will see how AJ does, and I'm optimistic his offensive scoring prowess will translate, but he isn't the same type of sponge as Flagg.

i have nothing negative to say about flagg. i thought he'd be great, he's even greater than i thought. he exceeded every expectation i had of him.

people will be surprised at AJ's ability and desire to learn and take in information and the work ethic and desire to be great to go with it. whether that means he's the same type of sponge Flagg is, i don't know (maybe not - that kind of thing is hard to measure) but he's pretty special in that department.

[JMAC3]

I would rate Flagg higher than AJ, mainly because of age and defense... however AJ is underrated at this point. People talk about his passing like he is Michale Porter Jr or Ace Bailey. Dybantsa averaged 3.8 assists/36 playing with a bunch of Mormons while Flagg averaged 4.9 assists/36 playing next to the best shooter in the NBA last year, a 7-2 Center who was the 10th pick and 4 other guys that will be drafted.

AJ is also just bigger and more explosive 42 inch Vert vs 35.5 for Flagg.
AJ also had higher FTr by 6%- with far worse spacing
AJ better 2pt% by 5%- with far worse spacing

AJ would immediately be the Alpha on Wizards, allowing Trae Young to play a more natural 2nd or 3rd option facilitator role and having Davis and Sarr as shot blocking behind two iffy defenders. Tre Johnson, Kyshawn and Riley are all good swing swing attack guys as players, not guys that should dominate ball.

AJ is easily the most clean franchise guy in this draft, honestly probably followed by Acuff.

Peterson is best off ball, going to need to develop a ton on the ball before he will be effective.
Same with Boozer who doesn't really have a natural role, because he isn't really back to basket big or a primary ball handler.

[Cammo101]

I would rate Flagg higher than AJ, mainly because of age and defense... however AJ is underrated at this point. People talk about his passing like he is Michale Porter Jr or Ace Bailey. Dybantsa averaged 3.8 assists/36 playing with a bunch of Mormons while Flagg averaged 4.9 assists/36 playing next to the best shooter in the NBA last year, a 7-2 Center who was the 10th pick and 4 other guys that will be drafted.

AJ is also just bigger and more explosive 42 inch Vert vs 35.5 for Flagg.
AJ also had higher FTr by 6%- with far worse spacing
AJ better 2pt% by 5%- with far worse spacing

AJ would immediately be the Alpha on Wizards, allowing Trae Young to play a more natural 2nd or 3rd option facilitator role and having Davis and Sarr as shot blocking behind two iffy defenders. Tre Johnson, Kyshawn and Riley are all good swing swing attack guys as players, not guys that should dominate ball.

AJ is easily the most clean franchise guy in this draft, honestly probably followed by Acuff.

Peterson is best off ball, going to need to develop a ton on the ball before he will be effective.
Same with Boozer who doesn't really have a natural role, because he isn't really back to basket big or a primary ball handler.

The majority of this is spot on. I have no interest in Flagg vs. AJ, when both are elite level prospects. When I watch AJ, I see a less athletic, more skilled Tracy McGrady. With a little Paul George sprinkled in for good measure.

[SeattleJazzFan]

I would rate Flagg higher than AJ, mainly because of age and defense... however AJ is underrated at this point. People talk about his passing like he is Michale Porter Jr or Ace Bailey. Dybantsa averaged 3.8 assists/36 playing with a bunch of Mormons while Flagg averaged 4.9 assists/36 playing next to the best shooter in the NBA last year, a 7-2 Center who was the 10th pick and 4 other guys that will be drafted.

AJ is also just bigger and more explosive 42 inch Vert vs 35.5 for Flagg.
AJ also had higher FTr by 6%- with far worse spacing
AJ better 2pt% by 5%- with far worse spacing

AJ would immediately be the Alpha on Wizards, allowing Trae Young to play a more natural 2nd or 3rd option facilitator role and having Davis and Sarr as shot blocking behind two iffy defenders. Tre Johnson, Kyshawn and Riley are all good swing swing attack guys as players, not guys that should dominate ball.

AJ is easily the most clean franchise guy in this draft, honestly probably followed by Acuff.

Peterson is best off ball, going to need to develop a ton on the ball before he will be effective.
Same with Boozer who doesn't really have a natural role, because he isn't really back to basket big or a primary ball handler.

The majority of this is spot on. I have no interest in Flagg vs. AJ, when both are elite level prospects. When I watch AJ, I see a less athletic, more skilled Tracy McGrady. With a little Paul George sprinkled in for good measure.

less athletic? i can pretty much guarantee AJ, at the same stage, is bigger/stronger than McGrady and a 42" vert for a guy AJ's/McGrady's size is about as elite as anybody who has been officially measured. i'd struggle to see what makes AJ less athletic than TMac. AJ is pretty much at the very top of the charts in terms of athleticism.