The Trey Burke - Chris Paul Comparison

ISB · Post #61 » by **ISB** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 6:11 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
Upperclass wrote: And I dont see the Augustin comparison. Burke is taller, longer, is tougher, and more athletic.. though probably not as quick

I don't know, I think the Augustin comp is pretty on point physically, from the size to athleticism just seems very similar. Not a perfect match, but no player is to each other.

With that said, it's certainly conceivable a player who's Augustin like physically, could be really good. Augustin has a good shot and IQ, but if that's stepped up to great/elite in Burke's case, that could make all the difference. Good point about the toughness as well. Not a fan of DJ's demeanour and it's arguable he's underperformed compared to talent most of the time. Difference between DJ and Jameer's careers if the latter has a better one, might just be mental or situation

Augustin over Brook seems so bad now, but nobody would blink if Burke goes over Alex Len in a similar situation... shows how it's hard to blame the Bobcats for that one

Augustin is pretty weak athletically. He just can't really defend anyone with his size/strength/speed combo. I think he has good skills as far as passing/shooting/handling and would be very efficient offensively in a Mario Chalmers role, but to be a good role player you gotta be able to D up.

DJs game against Memphis in the elite 8 was a red flag in hindsight. A lot of his game that make him a superstar in college doesnt work against longer more athletic defenders.

loscaliboss · Post #62 » by **loscaliboss** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 7:50 am

Trey Burke = Chris Paul..... overreacting much

loscaliboss · Post #63 » by **loscaliboss** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 7:52 am

Burke will never be CP3, that is just unfair to him. but he could be as good as Ty Lawson

Barnsey · Post #64 » by **Barnsey** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 3:01 pm

^ Burke strikes me as more of a Ty Lawson type than a Chris Paul type too, i agree

BaunceyChillups · Post #65 » by **BaunceyChillups** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 5:10 pm

The Ty Lawson comp is easy to make cause both are little guys but I don't think it's quite accurate. Burke's wingspan is 6'5" and he should have no problem getting his shot off in the NBA, Lawson's got a very small wingspan which is why he has a slow set-shot from deep, you never see him take threes off the bounce. He also does most of his damage in the paint since he's probably the fastest guy in the league with the ball in his hands.

8305 · Post #66 » by **8305** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 6:01 pm

I remember the way Derrick Rose exposed both DJ Augustin and Darren Collison in the 2008 NCAA. There is no one like that for Burke to test against this year but, he has had some interesting tests. VCU, now Syracuse and maybe Louisville. He keeps meeting challenges and surpassing expectations. The last college point guard to dominate the NCAA this way was Derrick Rose. Not saying he's that good or that their games compare but, he controls the game is a good way. If I was an NBA exec. who needed a pg I'd go with Burke over either Smart or MCW. Using the same logic used to take Manning over Leaf or Luck over RGIII. Who possess the skill set today to play the position?

As for a comparable I think Burke is closer to Irving than anyone else in the League today.

Upperclass · Post #67 » by **Upperclass** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 6:16 pm

The best possible matchup for NBA exes, comes this weekend, with MCW facing Burke. I think boy guys step up to the plate, I just think MCW's defense and quick hands will prove frustrating for Burke.

Post #68 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 9:39 pm

Burke was hounded for nearly an entire game by Oladipo and adjusted after a rough first half (his teammates finally set picks for him - and he knows how to use them), so we know he can play against outstanding defensive big guards.

Dr Positivity · Post #69 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Apr 1, 2013 11:57 pm

How far do you guys think Larkin is behind Burke? Is Burke's shooting game a more reliable bet to translate? If Larkin shoots as well I think he'll succeed for the same reasons.

ComboGuardCity · Post #70 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 3:51 am

Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

No-Man · Post #71 » by **No-Man** » Tue Apr 2, 2013 5:55 am

Dr Positivity wrote:How far do you guys think Larkin is behind Burke? Is Burke's shooting game a more reliable bet to translate? If Larkin shoots as well I think he'll succeed for the same reasons.

Larkin is a dwarf, he's so skinny too, no way he can be a starter in NBA

MrBigShot · Post #72 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 10:41 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

I think he'll be significantly better than Jose.

MalonesElbows · Post #73 » by **MalonesElbows** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 10:44 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

He is a bit slow coming off screens, but Calderon is selling him a little "short".

ManualRam · Post #74 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 1:08 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

He is a bit slow coming off screens, but Calderon is selling him a little "short".

since when do PnR ball-handlers need to be quick coming off of ball screens? it's better to play with pace so that the player can see the play develop, diagnose how it's being defended and counter with the correct action.

the best, dual threat PnR ball-handlers aren't the ones who fire off the ball screen. those guys just using the ball screen to get an advantage on their man to get into the lane, which has its own merits. but those guys aren't running PnR.

ComboGuardCity · Post #75 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 2:18 am

ManualRam wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

He is a bit slow coming off screens, but Calderon is selling him a little "short".

since when do PnR ball-handlers need to be quick coming off of ball screens? it's better to play with pace so that the player can see the play develop, diagnose how it's being defended and counter with the correct action.

the best, dual threat PnR ball-handlers aren't the ones who fire off the ball screen. those guys just using the ball screen to get an advantage on their man to get into the lane, which has its own merits. but those guys aren't running PnR.

He's not a penatrator. When he comes off the pick he'll be looking to pass or shoot. Burke is DJ Augustin with the march madness pedigree. Big Blue loses in the sweet 16 and he's still a pick in the teens.

machu46 · Post #76 » by **machu46** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 3:45 am

Burke has been great this season. However, maybe I'm overrating Derrick Rose's run, but Burke has kinda struggled in the conference/NCAA tournaments. Turnovers are suddenly becoming a problem and he hasn't shot the ball very well. He hasn't been as bad as the other prospects in the tournament, but he really hasn't been that great in my opinion. Honestly, I think MCW has outplayed him in the NCAA tournament up to this point. That could change Saturday, but we'll see. Very interesting matchup.

Post #77 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 9:42 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

Would you care to elaborate on just how much slower Burke is than Nash in his late 30s?

Post #78 » by **Doctor MJ** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 9:57 am

machu46 wrote:Burke has been great this season. However, maybe I'm overrating Derrick Rose's run, but Burke has kinda struggled in the conference/NCAA tournaments. Turnovers are suddenly becoming a problem and he hasn't shot the ball very well. He hasn't been as bad as the other prospects in the tournament, but he really hasn't been that great in my opinion. Honestly, I think MCW has outplayed him in the NCAA tournament up to this point. That could change Saturday, but we'll see. Very interesting matchup.

Oh, I don't think any one is seeing Burke as a prospect on the order of someone like Rose.

Hard for me to say I'd agree that Burke seems like he's struggling right now. On the whole he's directing the best offense in the country and it's only gotten more devastating lately. On the other hand I would feel better about him if he were maintaining his efficiency a bit better.

On the other side of things with MCW, I get why one might prefer him, but it's not like Syracuse has been winning with offense, and when evaluating these guys I'm thinking primarily about their offense. One can of course be playing great offense on a team whose offense struggles, but I find it very hard to complain about the guy on the successful offense in comparison to the guy on the struggling offense.

Jazzfan12 · Post #79 » by **Jazzfan12** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 1:36 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

Would you care to elaborate on just how much slower Burke is than Nash in his late 30s?

Ehh, Nash has just about the best handle of all time and that allows him to get places on the court without needing quickness, Burke's handle is a lot weaker.

Burke is frequently considered too small or too slow to be an elite PG because (even though he's no slower than Nash or small than CP3) he doesn't have the other factors that CP3 has to overcome his size or Nash has to overcome his slowness.

machu46 · Post #80 » by **machu46** » Fri Apr 5, 2013 2:12 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Burke is not quick enough for the NBA. He will end up being a shorter Jose Calderon at best.

Would you care to elaborate on just how much slower Burke is than Nash in his late 30s?

Ehh, Nash has just about the best handle of all time and that allows him to get places on the court without needing quickness, Burke's handle is a lot weaker.

Burke is frequently considered too small or too slow to be an elite PG because (even though he's no slower than Nash or small than CP3) he doesn't have the other factors that CP3 has to overcome his size or Nash has to overcome his slowness.

Not to mention the fact that Nash is easily a better shooter and passer than Burke and it isn't even remotely close.