Brandon Ingram

SparksFly87 · Post #61 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:04 pm

Brandon Ingram possesses the skill and toolset of a dream nba wing prospect. We are looking at a potential 6'9 shooting guard . He is a wing all the way . I like him over Simmons long term as a Nba player.

2 Clutch · Post #62 » by **2 Clutch** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Do you guys expect his lateral quickness to improve? In the times I've watched Ingram play this year he couldn't stay in front of college 2 guards. There is a lot of talk about shooting guard at the NBA level but my main concern is can he stay in front of them?

Will his weight limitations put him at too much of a disadvantage against NBA 3's on the defensive end?

The Prodigy · Post #63 » by **The Prodigy** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:55 pm

2 Clutch wrote:Do you guys expect his lateral quickness to improve? In the times I've watched Ingram play this year he couldn't stay in front of college 2 guards. There is a lot of talk about shooting guard at the NBA level but my main concern is can he stay in front of them?

Will his weight limitations put him at too much of a disadvantage against NBA 3's on the defensive end?

To me, he's a 3 at the next level, where lateral quickness won't be as much of an issue. Putting on some weight is easy. Most players have to do that when they get to the NBA.

doordoor123 · Post #64 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:21 pm

The Prodigy wrote:
2 Clutch wrote:Do you guys expect his lateral quickness to improve? In the times I've watched Ingram play this year he couldn't stay in front of college 2 guards. There is a lot of talk about shooting guard at the NBA level but my main concern is can he stay in front of them?

Will his weight limitations put him at too much of a disadvantage against NBA 3's on the defensive end?

To me, he's a 3 at the next level, where lateral quickness won't be as much of an issue. Putting on some weight is easy. Most players have to do that when they get to the NBA.

He's definitely a 3 in the NBA. I think he could also eventually be a 3/4. Reminds me of an underdeveloped Kevin Durant. The more I watch, the more I see it. I think he might be better than Simmons 6 years down the line.

2 Clutch · Post #65 » by **2 Clutch** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:38 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
The Prodigy wrote:
2 Clutch wrote:Do you guys expect his lateral quickness to improve? In the times I've watched Ingram play this year he couldn't stay in front of college 2 guards. There is a lot of talk about shooting guard at the NBA level but my main concern is can he stay in front of them?

Will his weight limitations put him at too much of a disadvantage against NBA 3's on the defensive end?

To me, he's a 3 at the next level, where lateral quickness won't be as much of an issue. Putting on some weight is easy. Most players have to do that when they get to the NBA.

He's definitely a 3 in the NBA. I think he could also eventually be a 3/4. Reminds me of an underdeveloped Kevin Durant. The more I watch, the more I see it. I think he might be better than Simmons 6 years down the line.

That's where i'm at as well with him. Some added weight/strength would set him up nicely at the 3.

Post #66 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:45 pm

Ingram is definitely a 3 in the NBA. The dude measured at 6'9.5. I think you're asking a little to much for a guy as long as him to be quick enough to guard NBA 2s on every possession. Now with his huge wingspan he can definitely switch on 2s and hold his own some times. Right now Ingram has 2 big question marks for me, his weight, strength and his ft shooting. His ft shooting is really bad, it's in the 50s. And most guys as skinny as Ingram can't really succeed offensively, KD is the exception cause the dude is probably going to end up a to 25 player of all time. For being 18 you have to like his on ball defense and skill set. His last 3 games he has shown that potential that was talked about coming into the season. He's definitely an intriguing prospect

Post #67 » by **Marcus** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:05 pm

glad he's seemed to have turned his confidence around. Also impressed with his willingness to go after blocks on the defensive end and really use his length to his advantage as he should. Seems to play like he's aware of himself and his skillset. He knows he's the most talented dude on the court so he should be able to take advantage of that think that's why he pressed so much early on. Still forces when he perhaps shouldn't but its coming together and looking better now.

Post #68 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:29 pm

Didnt see it posted so i thought Id post his highlights from last nights game. Pretty impressive game on both sides of the ball

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE7K_3n69EE[/youtube]

The Skyhook · Post #69 » by **The Skyhook** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:00 pm

The confidence in this kid is growing and I believe it will carry over throughout the course of the season. I don't think Simmons is going to runaway with being the top pick in this draft. If Ingram continues to improve at this rate then I don't think it should come as a surprise if he challenges Simmons for the top spot in the draft. We all know Simmons has an elite court vision and passing ability for a guy his size but Ingram has also impressed me with his ability to grab the board and push the break. For a guy his size he looks to be in complete control and as the season goes on thats the one aspect of his game where I want to see Ingram improve upon because its no secret the scoring ability is there. His length is also another huge upside in his game. Between his length and speed, Ingram has the potential to become a very good defensive player in this league.

Post #70 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:11 pm

The Skyhook wrote:The confidence in this kid is growing and I believe it will carry over throughout the course of the season. I don't think Simmons is going to runaway with being the top pick in this draft. If Ingram continues to improve at this rate then I don't think it should come as a surprise if he challenges Simmons for the top spot in the draft. We all know Simmons has an elite court vision and passing ability for a guy his size but Ingram has also impressed me with his ability to grab the board and push the break. For a guy his size he looks to be in complete control and as the season goes on thats the one aspect of his game where I want to see Ingram improve upon because its no secret the scoring ability is there. His length is also another huge upside in his game. Between his length and speed, Ingram has the potential to become a very good defensive player in this league.

Ya you can see the confidence and fire that he is playing with right now. He didnt have that the first 6 or 7 games. One thing I like was his rebounding, Duke lost Amile Jeffereson who gobbles up every rebound. So it was nice to see Ingram step right in and show he can be effective on the glass. You can also see that speed you are talking about when he gets out in the fast break. Hes an underrated athlete

The Skyhook · Post #71 » by **The Skyhook** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:19 pm

Maybe its because the Lakers just played the Bucks so its still fresh in my mind but Ingram's combination of length and speed reminds me of Giannis on the break.

Dcebucks11 · Post #72 » by **Dcebucks11** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:30 pm

He's no where near the prospect Ben simmons is.

Ingram has size, hops, and shooting over him but shooting was supposed to be Ingrams forte and so far he's been alright but not that great in that aspect. He's also not that agile and his first step is not great.. I see a potential star if his shot and handle better in the NBA but it would be very dumb to take him over Simmons imo... I have a feeling he's going to struggle with the speed of the NBA if he doesn't work on that first step..

And on defense I think strength is more important combined with a little length and IQ.. Too many times i see people mistake having length for having this high upside on defense.

Post #73 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:40 pm

Dcebucks11 wrote:He's no where near the prospect Ben simmons is.

Ingram has size, hops, and shooting over him but shooting was supposed to be Ingrams forte and so far he's been alright but not that great in that aspect. He's also not that agile and his first step is not great.. I see a potential star if his shot and handle better in the NBA but it would be very dumb to take him over Simmons imo... I have a feeling he's going to struggle with the speed of the NBA if he doesn't work on that first step..

And on defense I think strength is more important combined with a little length and IQ.. Too many times i see people mistake having length for having this high upside on defense.

Ingrams's first step is actually considered a positive for him from scouts. Hes also a much better on ball defender than Simmons is at the moment.

Dcebucks11 · Post #74 » by **Dcebucks11** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:44 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Dcebucks11 wrote:He's no where near the prospect Ben simmons is.

Ingram has size, hops, and shooting over him but shooting was supposed to be Ingrams forte and so far he's been alright but not that great in that aspect. He's also not that agile and his first step is not great.. I see a potential star if his shot and handle better in the NBA but it would be very dumb to take him over Simmons imo... I have a feeling he's going to struggle with the speed of the NBA if he doesn't work on that first step..

And on defense I think strength is more important combined with a little length and IQ.. Too many times i see people mistake having length for having this high upside on defense.

Ingrams's first step is actually considered a positive for him from scouts. Hes also a much better on ball defender than Simmons is at the moment.

He has better defensive potential for sure, but I don't agree with the first step.. It's not that quick.

HotelVitale · Post #75 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:48 pm

Dcebucks11 wrote:He's no where near the prospect Ben simmons is. Ingram has size, hops, and shooting over him but shooting was supposed to be Ingrams forte and so far he's been alright but not that great in that aspect. He's also not that agile and his first step is not great.. I see a potential star if his shot and handle better in the NBA but it would be very dumb to take him over Simmons imo... I have a feeling he's going to struggle with the speed of the NBA if he doesn't work on that first step...

His agility is pretty solid, and his shot's been money after a rough start. Think you have to wait and see if the real Ingram's more like the last 3 games (when he's been 25/8 2st 2 bl) or more like his first three. That's the only real question that's keeping him out of the conversation for #1 overall. If he can keep shooting like that while also learning to drive more effectively (he has the tools, just seemed timid/uncertain the first couple games), he could give Simmons a run.

tsmith · Post #76 » by **tsmith** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:24 am

TKainZero · Post #77 » by **TKainZero** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:41 am

I like him

Gladly tAke him at 2

doordoor123 · Post #78 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:20 pm

Dcebucks11 wrote:He's no where near the prospect Ben simmons is.

Ingram has size, hops, and shooting over him but shooting was supposed to be Ingrams forte and so far he's been alright but not that great in that aspect. He's also not that agile and his first step is not great.. I see a potential star if his shot and handle better in the NBA but it would be very dumb to take him over Simmons imo... I have a feeling he's going to struggle with the speed of the NBA if he doesn't work on that first step..

And on defense I think strength is more important combined with a little length and IQ.. Too many times i see people mistake having length for having this high upside on defense.

I think you might be watching the wrong player

HotelVitale · Post #79 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:52 am

Duke4life831 wrote:. Right now Ingram has 2 big question marks for me, his weight, strength and his ft shooting. His ft shooting is really bad, it's in the 50s.

It's over 60% now, and it'd be 70-ish if not for one game (VCU, where he was 4-11).

Post #80 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:18 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:. Right now Ingram has 2 big question marks for me, his weight, strength and his ft shooting. His ft shooting is really bad, it's in the 50s.

It's over 60% now, and it'd be 70-ish if not for one game (VCU, where he was 4-11).

Hes got 3 games of 50% or lower (one game he went 0-1) and another 3 games of 67%. Now with that said, I feel confident when he steps up to the line. He was a 79% shooter his last year in high school. He has solid form and I think he will be a good ft shooter. I think by the end of the year he will be around 75%