Jaylen Brown

[Duke4life831]

He's probably mixing up this past year's Arizona team with the one two years ago. Otherwise he's just looking at TJ's stats and making assumptions. How did we got on this topic again?

I'm not mixing anything up. It was stated that Justise had an advantage in college because he played alongside Tyus Jones while Stanley and Jaylen didn't have that luxury. I agree about that with Jaylen. But I was just pointing out Stanley played alongside a senior McConnell who was a very good college PG. It's not like Stanley played with some scrub PG. And no its not me just looking at stats, I watched almost every Arizona game that year, McConnell was a very good PG, his numbers and post season awards just back that up

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Uh I'm an Arizona fan and on your side here... I was talking about the other dude. TJ was a great PG for Arizona and wrecked DAngelo Russell in the tourney. Watching the Cats this year showed how much we missed him.

My bad man. I just misread your post. But ya TJ was a heck of a college PG. He was a tremendous leader as well. Forgot who they were playing against but Stanley was chirping back and forth with a player and the next thing you hear is TJ yell "Stanley, Stanley shut the hell up." And Stanley got quiet haha

[DirtyDez]

I'm not mixing anything up. It was stated that Justise had an advantage in college because he played alongside Tyus Jones while Stanley and Jaylen didn't have that luxury. I agree about that with Jaylen. But I was just pointing out Stanley played alongside a senior McConnell who was a very good college PG. It's not like Stanley played with some scrub PG. And no its not me just looking at stats, I watched almost every Arizona game that year, McConnell was a very good PG, his numbers and post season awards just back that up

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Uh I'm an Arizona fan and on your side here... I was talking about the other dude. TJ was a great PG for Arizona and wrecked DAngelo Russell in the tourney. Watching the Cats this year showed how much we missed him.

My bad man. I just misread your post. But ya TJ was a heck of a college PG. He was a tremendous leader as well. Forgot who they were playing against but Stanley was chirping back and forth with a player and the next thing you hear is TJ yell "Stanley, Stanley shut the hell up." And Stanley got quiet haha

Stanley told Miller early on to be really hard on him like he was on Aaron Gordon. Stanley couldn't handle it at first and he/Miller had a minor falling out. Miller went to TJ and told him to manage SJ early into conference play and he did. McConnell wasn't nearly the most talented PG to play at Arizona but he was the greatest leader. Sucks he didn't make a F4. Damn you Sam Dekker and you're ridiculous fadeaway contested 3's.

I think Johnson and Brown are similar minus the athleticism. Both solid around but not speciaL. It doesn't help that Brown had to play for Cuonzo Martin.

[EMG518]

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Uh I'm an Arizona fan and on your side here... I was talking about the other dude. TJ was a great PG for Arizona and wrecked DAngelo Russell in the tourney. Watching the Cats this year showed how much we missed him.

My bad man. I just misread your post. But ya TJ was a heck of a college PG. He was a tremendous leader as well. Forgot who they were playing against but Stanley was chirping back and forth with a player and the next thing you hear is TJ yell "Stanley, Stanley shut the hell up." And Stanley got quiet haha

Stanley told Miller early on to be really hard on him like he was on Aaron Gordon. Stanley couldn't handle it at first and he/Miller had a minor falling out. Miller went to TJ and told him to manage SJ early into conference play and he did. McConnell wasn't nearly the most talented PG to play at Arizona but he was the greatest leader. Sucks he didn't make a F4. Damn you Sam Dekker and you're ridiculous fadeaway contested 3's.

I think Johnson and Brown are similar minus the athleticism. Both solid around but not speciaL. It doesn't help that Brown had to play for Cuonzo Martin.

TJ was an amazing senior point guard that helped Stanley out immensley. I can't count how many easy buckets Stanley got from the amazingly talented undrafted senior point guard on a team that provided spacing far beyond that of Duke. Winslow on the other hand had it really rough playing the 4 with Okafor demanding all the attention in the paint and Tyus being a highly skilled first round freshman pure point guard looking to pass first and running a fast paced spread offense.

[DirtyDez]

My bad man. I just misread your post. But ya TJ was a heck of a college PG. He was a tremendous leader as well. Forgot who they were playing against but Stanley was chirping back and forth with a player and the next thing you hear is TJ yell "Stanley, Stanley shut the hell up." And Stanley got quiet haha

Stanley told Miller early on to be really hard on him like he was on Aaron Gordon. Stanley couldn't handle it at first and he/Miller had a minor falling out. Miller went to TJ and told him to manage SJ early into conference play and he did. McConnell wasn't nearly the most talented PG to play at Arizona but he was the greatest leader. Sucks he didn't make a F4. Damn you Sam Dekker and you're ridiculous fadeaway contested 3's.

I think Johnson and Brown are similar minus the athleticism. Both solid around but not speciaL. It doesn't help that Brown had to play for Cuonzo Martin.

TJ was an amazing senior point guard that helped Stanley out immensley. I can't count how many easy buckets Stanley got from the amazingly talented undrafted senior point guard on a team that provided spacing far beyond that of Duke. Winslow on the other hand had it really rough playing the 4 with Okafor demanding all the attention in the paint and Tyus being a highly skilled first round freshman pure point guard looking to pass first and running a fast paced spread offense.

Sarcasm is always a great argument. Btw Arizona was 7th in Adjusted Offense four spots behind juggernaut Duke.

http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2015

[EMG518]

You threw out one number that you probably don't even understand. You threw out a number which isn't reality. It is an estimate of what he believes the team would do against an average d-1 team. That isn't reality, that isn't tangible or something that actually occurred.

You want tangible things that actually happened in reality.
Duke 6th in ppg Arizona 22nd in ppg
Duke 7th in asts Arizona 23rd in asts
Duke 3rd in fga Arizona 22nd in fga
Duke 43rd in 3pa Arizona 260th in 3pa

Don't tell me that Johnson had a better situation than Winslow because that is bs. I watched that team plenty and the lane was clogged and the spacing was bad. Duke had guys spread out jacking up 3s with Okafor drawing doubles in the paint and Winslow playing the 4. Tyus was far better at running that offense than McConnell was as well.

[DirtyDez]

You threw out one number that you probably don't even understand. You threw out a number which isn't reality. It is an estimate of what he believes the team would do against an average d-1 team. That isn't reality, that isn't tangible or something that actually occurred.

You want tangible things that actually happened in reality.
Duke 6th in ppg Arizona 22nd in ppg
Duke 7th in asts Arizona 23rd in asts
Duke 3rd in fga Arizona 22nd in fga
Duke 43rd in 3pa Arizona 260th in 3pa

Don't tell me that Johnson had a better situation than Winslow because that is bs. I watched that team plenty and the lane was clogged and the spacing was bad. Duke had guys spread out jacking up 3s with Okafor drawing doubles in the paint and Winslow playing the 4. Tyus was far better at running that offense than McConnell was as well.

I didn't say Johnson was in a better situation. I'm just calling your opinion that Arizona was a poor offensive team with poor PG play is garbage. If you want to basic dashboard stats you can but it won't help your argument.

Duke - 80.6 ppg
Arizona - 76.4 ppg

Duke - .502 fg%
Arizona - 48.9 fg%

Duke - 38.6 3pt%
Arizona - 36 3pt%

Duke - 22.9 fta's
Arizona - 25.7 fta's

Duke - 15.5 apg (1.38)
Arizona - 14.2 apg (1.27)

[Duke4life831]

You threw out one number that you probably don't even understand. You threw out a number which isn't reality. It is an estimate of what he believes the team would do against an average d-1 team. That isn't reality, that isn't tangible or something that actually occurred.

You want tangible things that actually happened in reality.
Duke 6th in ppg Arizona 22nd in ppg
Duke 7th in asts Arizona 23rd in asts
Duke 3rd in fga Arizona 22nd in fga
Duke 43rd in 3pa Arizona 260th in 3pa

Don't tell me that Johnson had a better situation than Winslow because that is bs. I watched that team plenty and the lane was clogged and the spacing was bad. Duke had guys spread out jacking up 3s with Okafor drawing doubles in the paint and Winslow playing the 4. Tyus was far better at running that offense than McConnell was as well.

I don't think anyone is saying Stanley had the better situation. But let's not act like that Zona team was that far behind Duke. Who cares about draft selection, we're talking about college ball and a senior TJ was a beast and was at least on the same level as a freshman Tyus.

[Lazy10]

You threw out one number that you probably don't even understand. You threw out a number which isn't reality. It is an estimate of what he believes the team would do against an average d-1 team. That isn't reality, that isn't tangible or something that actually occurred.

You want tangible things that actually happened in reality.
Duke 6th in ppg Arizona 22nd in ppg
Duke 7th in asts Arizona 23rd in asts
Duke 3rd in fga Arizona 22nd in fga
Duke 43rd in 3pa Arizona 260th in 3pa

Don't tell me that Johnson had a better situation than Winslow because that is bs. I watched that team plenty and the lane was clogged and the spacing was bad. Duke had guys spread out jacking up 3s with Okafor drawing doubles in the paint and Winslow playing the 4. Tyus was far better at running that offense than McConnell was as well.

I don't think anyone is saying Stanley had the better situation. But let's not act like that Zona team was that far behind Duke. Who cares about draft selection, we're talking about college ball and a senior TJ was a beast and was at least on the same level as a freshman Tyus.

If Jaylen Brown was in 2015 draft and not knowing how 2015/16 rookies performed. Where would he go

[Duke4life831]

You threw out one number that you probably don't even understand. You threw out a number which isn't reality. It is an estimate of what he believes the team would do against an average d-1 team. That isn't reality, that isn't tangible or something that actually occurred.

You want tangible things that actually happened in reality.
Duke 6th in ppg Arizona 22nd in ppg
Duke 7th in asts Arizona 23rd in asts
Duke 3rd in fga Arizona 22nd in fga
Duke 43rd in 3pa Arizona 260th in 3pa

Don't tell me that Johnson had a better situation than Winslow because that is bs. I watched that team plenty and the lane was clogged and the spacing was bad. Duke had guys spread out jacking up 3s with Okafor drawing doubles in the paint and Winslow playing the 4. Tyus was far better at running that offense than McConnell was as well.

I don't think anyone is saying Stanley had the better situation. But let's not act like that Zona team was that far behind Duke. Who cares about draft selection, we're talking about college ball and a senior TJ was a beast and was at least on the same level as a freshman Tyus.

If Jaylen Brown was in 2015 draft and not knowing how 2015/16 rookies performed. Where would he go

Probably somewhere between 11-13.

[JMac1]

Since he is mocked to the Suns so much I thought I'd take a closer look at him. That VID showed his handle and ability to get to the rim is better than I thought.....intriguing. He is freight train.....

[SelfishPlayer]

#3 overall.

[Jammer]

Jaylen Brown's shortcoming are in some ways the same as James Young's.

Coincidentally both players measured 6' 5.25" at the combine without shoes, although Brown is much stronger.

The problems are:

Brown shoots free throws at 66%. He is inherently not that good a shooter. The same could be said for Young.

Brown's 3 point % of 29.4% is basically below the level of a player an NBA team would want to take 3's. And the NBA three point line is farther out than the college 3 point line.

Brown's rate of 5.4 rebounds in 27.6 minutes is good, but he averaged 3.2 fouls in those 27 minutes, which is not good. NBA players are much quicker than what Brown faced in college. And NBA players are a lot stronger as well.

So, basically, the Celtics just drafted a perimeter player without a reliable jump shot, hoping he develops one. Which was the same thing the Celtics said about Marcus Smart and to a lesser extent James Young, who was more of a scorer than an efficient shooter.

WIth a knock down shooter like Buddy Hield available, although I see the potential for Brown to be the better player, right now, Brown's not the one that you'd want taking the shot with a game on the line.

[DrCoach]

Very surprised he went so high

[Duke4life831]

Jaylen Brown's shortcoming are in some ways the same as James Young's.

Coincidentally both players measured 6' 5.25" at the combine without shoes, although Brown is much stronger.

The problems are:

Brown shoots free throws at 66%. He is inherently not that good a shooter. The same could be said for Young.

Brown's 3 point % of 29.4% is basically below the level of a player an NBA team would want to take 3's. And the NBA three point line is farther out than the college 3 point line.

Brown's rate of 5.4 rebounds in 27.6 minutes is good, but he averaged 3.2 fouls in those 27 minutes, which is not good. NBA players are much quicker than what Brown faced in college. And NBA players are a lot stronger as well.

So, basically, the Celtics just drafted a perimeter player without a reliable jump shot, hoping he develops one. Which was the same thing the Celtics said about Marcus Smart and to a lesser extent James Young, who was more of a scorer than an efficient shooter.

WIth a knock down shooter like Buddy Hield available, although I see the potential for Brown to be the better player, right now, Brown's not the one that you'd want taking the shot with a game on the line.

He's a much much better prospect than Young was. Brown much stronger and a much better athlete. Young was basically just an inefficient shooter. Young was also a bad defender, Brown was not a great defender in anyway but he was a solid college defender and has tremendous defensive potential with his seize and athleticism. Brown also has a much harder work ethic which was always a question mark for Young. Was surprised that Boston took Brown though, I had Brown as my 3rd best prospect but thought Boston was going to trade or at least get a player that might be able to help next year. Brown won't be able too

[rumdiary]

Jaylen was also 3rd on my draft board, mere inches above Dunn/Murray/Hield merely because of the NBA athleticism and strength. I was so pumped when the Celtics picked him up, I can't wait to watch him play now!

Dawkins contribution shows how explosive he can be:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMliYacBNZk[/youtube]

[Notanoob]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

[rumdiary]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

[Juggynaut]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

He's by far the worst shooter out of all of them, the only prospects he probably was better coming out was Gay and Harris. Harris was actually really underrated coming out, he might be better than Brown. IDK man, Brown's only redeemable stat is his FTA.

[Duke4life831]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

I dont think Brown is going to be a bust. But the guys you just mentioned are awful examples. Deng shot 36% from 3 and was deadly from the mid range in his one year at Duke. Same can be said for Jabari. Rudy Gay shot 47% from 3 as a freshman on 2 attempts a game. Tobias is the closest one but he had a much more complete offensive skillset coming out. He was really good in the mid range and just had a good offensive skillset.

Then the guys Brown always gets compared too is Stanley and Justise (I know you didnt mention him). Justise shot 42% from 3 and Stanley shot 37% from 3. For comparison Brown shot 29% from 3. Tobias is the clsoest one (shot 30%) and Tobias has only had one respectable 3 point shooting season so far in his career and it was his 4th year (36%). Jaylen Brown is far rawer than any of the guys you mentioned. His real only way to score was to put his down and drive. He could do that because he was so much bigger and athletic than everyone he played against. He cant do that in the NBA. Out of all those guys Jaylen has the worst mid range and 3 point shot and ball handling. This is a dude that wont do much offensively in the NBA for a few years minimum

[Notanoob]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

These comparisons just show that you either don't know a thing about any of these guys at all (which is certainly not true), or are simply ignoring the facts so that you can convince yourself that Ainge didn't draft a bad player. Just a cursory glance would have told you that every one of these guys shot better from 3 and from the free throw line than Brown did, which already debunks these comparisons. Harris is the only one who could be said to be a poor shooter, but he was massively more skilled a scorer than Brown.

Rudy Gay is basically the only one of these guys who was even talked about in the same way as Brown is as a 'raw athlete' type, but he clearly was farther along as a shooter at the very least.

Think of some other 'raw athletic wings'. Joe Alexander, Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, Earl Clark, Christian Eyenga, Damion James, Chris Singleton, Alando Tucker and so on.