Usman Garuba

MemphisX · Post #61 » by **MemphisX** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:26 am

He might be good but I do not trust him to provide enough to be an effective playoff guy. Even current Draymond is such a drain on the offense and he provides more than it seems Garuba will.

Catchall · Post #62 » by **Catchall** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:40 am

I think Garuba can play a role like PJ Tucker. He's a 4 or a situational 5. He needs to make enough of his corner 3s to make it work though.

Mirotic12 · Post #63 » by **Mirotic12** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:24 pm

It's amazing that some people think he's a good 3 point shooter. If you watch him play games in the EuroLeague, you would know that he's an absolutely horrible shooter. Maybe only Nick Calathes is a worse shooter, among regular rotation EuroLeague players.

The-Power · Post #64 » by **The-Power** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:29 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:It's amazing that some people think he's a good 3 point shooter.

Like who?

Mirotic12 · Post #65 » by **Mirotic12** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:30 pm

UcanUwill wrote:His worst case scenario is probably Ekpe Udoh?

Udoh was more athletic, and also bigger. Garuba is a much better rebounder than Udoh.

Catchall wrote:I think Garuba can play a role like PJ Tucker. He's a 4 or a situational 5. He needs to make enough of his corner 3s to make it work though.

I've seen Garuba playing for several years now, and he is clearly better as a center.

Post #66 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:43 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:His worst case scenario is probably Ekpe Udoh?

Udoh was more athletic, and also bigger. Garuba is a much better rebounder than Udoh.

Catchall wrote:I think Garuba can play a role like PJ Tucker. He's a 4 or a situational 5. He needs to make enough of his corner 3s to make it work though.

I've seen Garuba playing for several years now, and he is clearly better as a center.

If he's actually less athletic than Udoh, which I have serious trouble believing, then he shouldnt even be in the 1st round.

Post #67 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:48 am

UcanUwill wrote:
pad300 wrote:
Charm wrote:
Biyombo with a 3-point shot is a solid starter though...right? Not half bad if that's something like Garuba's floor.

Yeah, Biyombo with a 3ptr is potentially a starter, but that's Garuba's floor. He has to develop that 3 pt shot, and he hasn't done it yet. Garuba's actual floor is Biyombo...

His worst case scenario is probably Ekpe Udoh?

Udoh had stone hands, was a bad cutter/finisher, couldn't pass.. these Biyombo/Udoh comps are headscratchers. Biyombo never really had good BBIQ or defensive awareness, he was just a quick strong guy that could block shots and rebound. Udoh could play solid defense as long as it was near the paint, but thats almost all he brought to the table. With Garuba I see a guy who plays smart defense inside and out, and most importantly, can pass from the elbow and low block.. and has good hands.

I don't have a great comp in mind but I was big on Biyombo back in the day and had to suffer through a lot of Udoh, and the only thing I see truly in common is that you don't want any of those 3 taking more than a couple shots per game

God Squad · Post #68 » by **God Squad** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:18 am

FNQ wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:His worst case scenario is probably Ekpe Udoh?

Udoh was more athletic, and also bigger. Garuba is a much better rebounder than Udoh.

Catchall wrote:I think Garuba can play a role like PJ Tucker. He's a 4 or a situational 5. He needs to make enough of his corner 3s to make it work though.

I've seen Garuba playing for several years now, and he is clearly better as a center.

If he's actually less athletic than Udoh, which I have serious trouble believing, then he shouldnt even be in the 1st round.

Udoh bring up post trauma? :wink:

Post #69 » by **FNQ** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:31 am

God Squad wrote:
FNQ wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
Udoh was more athletic, and also bigger. Garuba is a much better rebounder than Udoh.

I've seen Garuba playing for several years now, and he is clearly better as a center.

If he's actually less athletic than Udoh, which I have serious trouble believing, then he shouldnt even be in the 1st round.

Udoh bring up post trauma?

lol I was pumped we didnt get Monroe.. I'm a huge Georgetown fan and I watched him a lot, and back then our team was so bad at defense, I was ready to believe a defensive C, no matter what else he brings to the table, would fix us. And Udoh proved me so wrong - though I'm still glad we didnt get Monroe, we would have maxed him back then

Udoh was a great interior defender but was a nothing on offense. Literal nothing.. couldnt even catch passes or lobs. Had a midrange jumper where he took about 1 a game, which is 2 more than he should have. But one thing that really stuck out was that he was just so unremarkable athletically despite being a thin, smaller C. Great timing but wasn't quick, wasn't bouncy, and wasnt strong. If Garuba's less athletic than Udoh, he's a 2nd rounder at best.

God Squad · Post #70 » by **God Squad** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:38 am

FNQ wrote:
God Squad wrote:
FNQ wrote:
If he's actually less athletic than Udoh, which I have serious trouble believing, then he shouldnt even be in the 1st round.

Udoh bring up post trauma?

lol I was pumped we didnt get Monroe.. I'm a huge Georgetown fan and I watched him a lot, and back then our team was so bad at defense, I was ready to believe a defensive C, no matter what else he brings to the table, would fix us. And Udoh proved me so wrong - though I'm still glad we didnt get Monroe, we would have maxed him back then

Udoh was a great interior defender but was a nothing on offense. Literal nothing.. couldnt even catch passes or lobs. Had a midrange jumper where he took about 1 a game, which is 2 more than he should have. But one thing that really stuck out was that he was just so unremarkable athletically despite being a thin, smaller C. Great timing but wasn't quick, wasn't bouncy, and wasnt strong. If Garuba's less athletic than Udoh, he's a 2nd rounder at best.

I wouldn't say he's less athletic at all. Garuba can switch 1-5 pretty easily, while being a good post defender. I think he has potential in his corner three. Early on he's going to need a good point guard to get him points. Garuba atm is mocked all over the place and it seems people don't really know how early or where he'll land.

UcanUwill · Post #71 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:07 am

FNQ wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:His worst case scenario is probably Ekpe Udoh?

Udoh was more athletic, and also bigger. Garuba is a much better rebounder than Udoh.

Catchall wrote:I think Garuba can play a role like PJ Tucker. He's a 4 or a situational 5. He needs to make enough of his corner 3s to make it work though.

I've seen Garuba playing for several years now, and he is clearly better as a center.

If he's actually less athletic than Udoh, which I have serious trouble believing, then he shouldnt even be in the 1st round.

Udoh is slow and robotic, he never seemed comfortable with his moves on the court, Garuba might not be explosive but he is a bit smoother, and hes just so much better at switch everything defense. Udoh was pretty great Euroleague player tho, Garabu is not there yet.

ThatBoyNick · Post #72 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:44 am

He definitely didn't look taller than Draymond... I'd be really surprised if he wasn't 6'6 barefoot

That's a really tough size for a center

peZt · Post #73 » by **peZt** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:55 am

ThatBoyNick wrote:He definitely didn't look taller than Draymond... I'd be really surprised if he wasn't 6'6 barefoot

That's a really tough size for a center

Angles are deceiving but he clearly looks taller than Draymond to me

Here he is next to Deni Avdija who is actually listed at 6'9 and looks taller as well. Right next to him is Amar Sylla, also listed at 6'9

So at worst he is 6'8 in shoes, more likely 6'9

Mirotic12 · Post #74 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:55 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:He definitely didn't look taller than Draymond... I'd be really surprised if he wasn't 6'6 barefoot

That's a really tough size for a center

He's clearly taller than Green is. Not even debatable.

Hal14 · Post #75 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:48 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:It's amazing that some people think he's a good 3 point shooter. If you watch him play games in the EuroLeague, you would know that he's an absolutely horrible shooter. Maybe only Nick Calathes is a worse shooter, among regular rotation EuroLeague players.

he shot 10/23 (43.5%) from 3 during a 9 game stretch towards end of this past season.

If that's horrible (especially for a 19 year old kid who's 6'8" playing pro ball), then I don't know what to tell ya..

Mirotic12 · Post #76 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:52 pm

Hal14 wrote:he shot 10/23 (43.5%) from 3 during a 9 game stretch towards end of this past season.

If that's horrible (especially for a 19 year old kid who's 6'8" playing pro ball), then I don't know what to tell ya..

You need to watch him playing games. With even the slightest defensive pressure, he's often air balling it or hitting the backboard. People are already talking about him like he's a stretch four here, and he's easily one of the worst shooters in EuroLeague.

That's not to say he can't develop a good jump shot, as he's only 19. But the claims that he's already a solid shooter are clearly incorrect.

Charm · Post #77 » by **Charm** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:24 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:he shot 10/23 (43.5%) from 3 during a 9 game stretch towards end of this past season.

If that's horrible (especially for a 19 year old kid who's 6'8" playing pro ball), then I don't know what to tell ya..

You need to watch him playing games. With even the slightest defensive pressure, he's often air balling it or hitting the backboard. People are already talking about him like he's a stretch four here, and he's easily one of the worst shooters in EuroLeague.

That's not to say he can't develop a good jump shot, as he's only 19. But the claims that he's already a solid shooter are clearly incorrect.

Again...I think the relevant comparison points are guys like Mobley, Johnson, Jones, Barnes, Sengun, and Kuminga, not other Euroleague pros. I'm not saying he'll be the best shooter in that group long-term necessarily, but he's shown the most evidence of a reliable catch-and-shoot 3-ball so far, and that's gotta count for something.

Mirotic12 · Post #78 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:44 pm

Charm wrote:Again...I think the relevant comparison points are guys like Mobley, Johnson, Jones, Barnes, Sengun, and Kuminga, not other Euroleague pros. I'm not saying he'll be the best shooter in that group long-term necessarily, but he's shown the most evidence of a reliable catch-and-shoot 3-ball so far, and that's gotta count for something.

He hasn't shown a reliable shot so far.

UcanUwill · Post #79 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:51 pm

peZt wrote:

So at worst he is 6'8 in shoes, more likely 6'9

This is surprising, I thought Avdija was taller than Garuba for sure.

Charm · Post #80 » by **Charm** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:53 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Charm wrote:Again...I think the relevant comparison points are guys like Mobley, Johnson, Jones, Barnes, Sengun, and Kuminga, not other Euroleague pros. I'm not saying he'll be the best shooter in that group long-term necessarily, but he's shown the most evidence of a reliable catch-and-shoot 3-ball so far, and that's gotta count for something.

He hasn't shown a reliable shot so far.

Reliable enough to stretch the floor and punish teams for leaving him open. I dunno what more you want from a defensive-minded 19-year-old big. Not every prospect is gonna be Jaren Jackson.