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Post#61 » by King Ken » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 pm

clyde21 wrote:i get people like LaMelo because of the size/ball skills combo, but we're still talking about a primarily on-ball guard that struggles with decision making, is a hot-cold scorer, has no off-ball game and is bad on defense, he has a long way to go before he projects as a + on the NBA level...even Trae who's one of the best scorers/playmakers in the NBA struggles in terms of impact because of his bad defense and no off-ball game, and I actually trust Trae's 3 level scoring game and playmaking more so than I do LaMelo's.

he's probably lotto guy because this lotto class is meh but i'm not really sold on the archetype

Not much I can disagree with here. People see Trae but Trae was boom or bust. He wasn't Ayton, Bagley, or Luka. Not saying Ball is boom or bust because I don't believe he is, he still got a lot of improvement areas he needs to work on and where he lands is vital. Are they building around him or are they adding him could mean different things for his career?

I think he can be special but he needs a lot of work.

Trae defense is miles better than it was last year but it's clear, your defensive personnel has to protect him otherwise, he is food to a degree. I would imagine the same for Ball as well long term
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Post#62 » by zimpy27 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:01 pm

clyde21 wrote:i get people like LaMelo because of the size/ball skills combo, but we're still talking about a primarily on-ball guard that struggles with decision making, is a hot-cold scorer, has no off-ball game and is bad on defense, he has a long way to go before he projects as a + on the NBA level...even Trae who's one of the best scorers/playmakers in the NBA struggles in terms of impact because of his bad defense and no off-ball game, and I actually trust Trae's 3 level scoring game and playmaking more so than I do LaMelo's.

he's probably lotto guy because this lotto class is meh but i'm not really sold on the archetype


These can also be attributed to Westbrook. Everyone has flaws in their game.

I do agree that I struggle to imagine the archetype being able to lead to a championship. He will probably put up big stats in the NBA, draw a crowd and get his team into the playoffs. But that's about it.

Pretty much a Dolan dream pick. As long as Knicks have a top 5 pick coming to them LaMelo's in the top 5.
Don't you think a Ntilikina, Barrett, LaMelo, Knox, Robinson would have some potential though?
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Post#63 » by King Ken » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:05 pm

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clyde21 wrote:i get people like LaMelo because of the size/ball skills combo, but we're still talking about a primarily on-ball guard that struggles with decision making, is a hot-cold scorer, has no off-ball game and is bad on defense, he has a long way to go before he projects as a + on the NBA level...even Trae who's one of the best scorers/playmakers in the NBA struggles in terms of impact because of his bad defense and no off-ball game, and I actually trust Trae's 3 level scoring game and playmaking more so than I do LaMelo's.

he's probably lotto guy because this lotto class is meh but i'm not really sold on the archetype


These can also be attributed to Westbrook. Everyone has flaws in their game.

I do agree that I struggle to imagine the archetype being able to lead to a championship. He will probably put up big stats in the NBA, draw a crowd and get his team into the playoffs. But that's about it.

Pretty much a Dolan dream pick. As long as Knicks have a top 5 pick coming to them he's in the top 5.

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Post#64 » by clyde21 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:14 pm

    zimpy27 wrote:
    clyde21 wrote:i get people like LaMelo because of the size/ball skills combo, but we're still talking about a primarily on-ball guard that struggles with decision making, is a hot-cold scorer, has no off-ball game and is bad on defense, he has a long way to go before he projects as a + on the NBA level...even Trae who's one of the best scorers/playmakers in the NBA struggles in terms of impact because of his bad defense and no off-ball game, and I actually trust Trae's 3 level scoring game and playmaking more so than I do LaMelo's.

    he's probably lotto guy because this lotto class is meh but i'm not really sold on the archetype


    These can also be attributed to Westbrook. Everyone has flaws in their game.

    I do agree that I struggle to imagine the archetype being able to lead to a championship. He will probably put up big stats in the NBA, draw a crowd and get his team into the playoffs. But that's about it.

    Pretty much a Dolan dream pick. As long as Knicks have a top 5 pick coming to them LaMelo's in the top 5.
    Don't you think a Ntilikina, Barrett, LaMelo, Knox, Robinson would have some potential though?


    i mean, he might put some big numbers because ball dominant guards can put up some absurd numbers in today's NBA but I'm more concerned with impact and winning than box scores, traditional stats mean almost nothing in today's NBA tbh.

    do you think he'll be better than Lonzo? the thing about Lonzo is that when his offense is not there, I can always rely on him being a + defensively...can't say that same about LaMelo. also i don't think Lamelo is nearly as good in the open court as his bro.

    to be a real impact player in the NBA he needs to be more efficient scorer, better his decision making and improve his off-ball game...all are doable obviously so we'll see but the archetype as it stands today im not too enamored with.

    definitely feels like a Knicks pick but if they take him over Cole if they want a PG I think that's a mistake
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    Post#65 » by zimpy27 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:01 pm

    clyde21 wrote:
      zimpy27 wrote:
      clyde21 wrote:i get people like LaMelo because of the size/ball skills combo, but we're still talking about a primarily on-ball guard that struggles with decision making, is a hot-cold scorer, has no off-ball game and is bad on defense, he has a long way to go before he projects as a + on the NBA level...even Trae who's one of the best scorers/playmakers in the NBA struggles in terms of impact because of his bad defense and no off-ball game, and I actually trust Trae's 3 level scoring game and playmaking more so than I do LaMelo's.

      he's probably lotto guy because this lotto class is meh but i'm not really sold on the archetype


      These can also be attributed to Westbrook. Everyone has flaws in their game.

      I do agree that I struggle to imagine the archetype being able to lead to a championship. He will probably put up big stats in the NBA, draw a crowd and get his team into the playoffs. But that's about it.

      Pretty much a Dolan dream pick. As long as Knicks have a top 5 pick coming to them LaMelo's in the top 5.
      Don't you think a Ntilikina, Barrett, LaMelo, Knox, Robinson would have some potential though?


      i mean, he might put some big numbers because ball dominant guards can put up some absurd numbers in today's NBA but I'm more concerned with impact and winning than box scores, traditional stats mean almost nothing in today's NBA tbh.

      do you think he'll be better than Lonzo? the thing about Lonzo is that when his offense is not there, I can always rely on him being a + defensively...can't say that same about LaMelo. also i don't think Lamelo is nearly as good in the open court as his bro.

      to be a real impact player in the NBA he needs to be more efficient scorer, better his decision making and improve his off-ball game...all are doable obviously so we'll see but the archetype as it stands today im not too enamored with.

      definitely feels like a Knicks pick but if they take him over Cole if they want a PG I think that's a mistake


      He has the same passing talent as Lonzo but has a far better finishing ability and is a better shooter (despite his poor start to the NBL season). Those two things (especially finishing) make his passing ability more useful, in the NBA he could lead an offense while Lonzo may not (unless he improves). LaMelo has a unique combination of moves from the 3, he can shoot, he can drive to an early spot to put up a long floater or lob, or he can drive to a later spot for a layup, dunk, outlet pass or interior pass.

      I understand your arguments regarding Lonzo on defense but I can't help but recognise that LaMelo is a better rebounder than Lonzo and can still use his drive and pass game if the shot isn't dropping.

      I do think LaMelo and Lonzo have a similar floor but LaMelo has a higher ceiling. I also think LaMelo has a poorer IQ than Lonzo but he loves the game more. The biggest standout overall is the confidence that LaMelo has in his game to take shots, it's easier to reign confidence in than it is to build it and I think that has held Lonzo back.

      But this analysis is base don both players being central to a team built around them. If a team already had an offensive system built then I'd choose Lonzo because his defense is additive to a team impact and he plays within himself.
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      Post#66 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:14 pm

      I would like Lamelo anywhere but the Knicks tbh
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      Post#67 » by prime1time » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:13 am

      clyde21 wrote:i get people like LaMelo because of the size/ball skills combo, but we're still talking about a primarily on-ball guard that struggles with decision making, is a hot-cold scorer, has no off-ball game and is bad on defense, he has a long way to go before he projects as a + on the NBA level...even Trae who's one of the best scorers/playmakers in the NBA struggles in terms of impact because of his bad defense and no off-ball game, and I actually trust Trae's 3 level scoring game and playmaking more so than I do LaMelo's.

      he's probably lotto guy because this lotto class is meh but I'm not really sold on the archetype

      What are you talking about? Trae Young was a top 4 pick and he's 6 ft. LaMelo is 6'7 with 6'10 wingspan. How about this, you bring up an actual prospect and we can discuss them. People on this board have a bizarre notion of what constitutes a lottery pick. "He's probably lotto guy because this lottery is meh." LOL. Tell me a draft when LaMelo ball is not a lottery prospect.

      I'm taking LaMelo ball over RJ Barret. I'm taking LaMelo ball over Jarret Culver. I'm taking LaMelo Ball over Cam Reddish. I'm taking LaMelo Ball over Miles Bridges. I'm taking LaMelo Ball over Frank Ntilkina, Dennis Smith and Malik Monk. I'm taking LaMelo Ball over Taurean Prince and Marquese Chriss. I'm taking LaMelo Ball over Mario Hezonja and Cam Payne and Stanley Johnson. All these guys were lottery picks. So for you to say that LaMelo Ball isn't a lottery pick is an absolute joke. LaMelo Ball is a lottery pick in almost every draft in the history of the NBA.

      Some people in this forum only want perfect players. Here's a secret they don't exist. And if they do, they are going #1 overall. All the other good players in the NBA have to be developed. Does LaMelo Ball have questions about his game? Yes. If he could easily score on all 3 levels better than Trae Young he'd be a lock for #1. Is there potential there? Yes. And good teams will look at that and say that's an opportunity.

      Kobe Bryant and T-Mac had question marks coming out of high school. PG and Kawhi had questions coming out of college. In college, Brad Beal was an average 3-point shooter and had below-average ball handling. Heck, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist went 2nd overall. Please parading around this superficial notion that lottery players must not have question marks about their game. LaMelo turned 18 August 22nd.
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      Post#68 » by The Box Office » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:15 am

      *Coughs* LaMelo needs an introduction to the haters.

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      Post#69 » by GimmeDat » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:10 am

      Was watching the game. It was very impressive.

      He was going up against a team with some fringe NBA guys - Scott Machado was the opposition PG, who is a good defender and had a 10 day with the Lakers last year. They're starting C is Cam Oliver, who you guys might remember from draft talk a few years back, I like him back then, and he's one of the NBL's best bigs. etc.

      That said, Cairns have been up and down, and that was an extremely poor defensive effort from them all game. You'll notice several of those baskets the seas parted for LaMelo to drive in. Also out of his 4 three's, I think 2 or 3 were some ridiculous off balance/off dribble iso shots, which he can get hot with, but are not 'good shots' per se. Would feel better about him just hitting his spot up looks consistently.

      He's a very crafty finisher when he has space to load up, and he has a high level floater with range. Great handles and change of pace - a number of very good hesi's in that game.

      But, for all the talk about his shooting percentages, he's shooting 37.8% over his last 5 games. He's getting his lower body into his shots more and it's paying dividends.

      His defense was also improved in that game. Went from terrible to just bad/below average, which I say very positively.

      The passing vision is elite - Trae-esque.. and his assist/TO ratio is really strong - he rarely makes mistakes or tries to force things/do too much.. his passing, as fun as it is, is always functional and the excecution is always on point. The rebounding is also exceptional from the guard spot. All that stuff is going to translate.

      His shot selection and general decision making is improving.. he's picking his spots better, learning when not to hoist up a shot, what reads to make, etc. . All involved with him stress that this is the first time he's played properly in an organized, pro setting like this, and so many concepts of play on both ends of the floor he's been completely oblivious too before this stint in the NBL - and you can see it on the court, he's coming along in leaps and bounds.

      I think the biggest limitation right now is making things happen in the half-court at the NBA level. That means shooting, it also means diversifying the general scoring package and learning to use his size a bit more. When he can break out and play a free flowing, open running game, he's going to be great, but when the game settles down certain limitations may present themselves more. He's a bit Lonzo-esque in that regard.

      But seriously - he just put up 32-11-13, with 2 TO's, in 40 minutes in a professional league. This isn't Euroleague obviously, but it's a very solid pro league, and that's an insane line.

      I think he's a ball of clay prospect that needs the right development, but he's got a lot of unteachable gifts already. If he can get his defense to a passable level and tighten up the shooting (to what degree he can, I don't know), then the sky is the limit in terms of ceiling. Obviously if those 2 things remain big liabilities than that's always going to hold him back considerably as a guy you want to run your offense through at the next level.
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      Post#70 » by The-Power » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:39 pm

      GimmeDat wrote:...

      Just wanted to say that this was perfectly summed up, imo. Ball is legitimate boom or bust player. His potential is as high as anybody's in this draft but he could also flame out rather quickly if his areas of concern do not keep progressing. But with his upside, a talent-deprived team should look at him early on and take the risk after the few players with similar upside and less concerns are gone.
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      Post#71 » by Marcus » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:48 pm

      GimmeDat wrote:Was watching the game. It was very impressive.

      He was going up against a team with some fringe NBA guys - Scott Machado was the opposition PG, who is a good defender and had a 10 day with the Lakers last year. They're starting C is Cam Oliver, who you guys might remember from draft talk a few years back, I like him back then, and he's one of the NBL's best bigs. etc.

      That said, Cairns have been up and down, and that was an extremely poor defensive effort from them all game. You'll notice several of those baskets the seas parted for LaMelo to drive in. Also out of his 4 three's, I think 2 or 3 were some ridiculous off balance/off dribble iso shots, which he can get hot with, but are not 'good shots' per se. Would feel better about him just hitting his spot up looks consistently.

      He's a very crafty finisher when he has space to load up, and he has a high level floater with range. Great handles and change of pace - a number of very good hesi's in that game.

      But, for all the talk about his shooting percentages, he's shooting 37.8% over his last 5 games. He's getting his lower body into his shots more and it's paying dividends.

      His defense was also improved in that game. Went from terrible to just bad/below average, which I say very positively.

      The passing vision is elite - Trae-esque.. and his assist/TO ratio is really strong - he rarely makes mistakes or tries to force things/do too much.. his passing, as fun as it is, is always functional and the excecution is always on point. The rebounding is also exceptional from the guard spot. All that stuff is going to translate.

      His shot selection and general decision making is improving.. he's picking his spots better, learning when not to hoist up a shot, what reads to make, etc. . All involved with him stress that this is the first time he's played properly in an organized, pro setting like this, and so many concepts of play on both ends of the floor he's been completely oblivious too before this stint in the NBL - and you can see it on the court, he's coming along in leaps and bounds.

      I think the biggest limitation right now is making things happen in the half-court at the NBA level. That means shooting, it also means diversifying the general scoring package and learning to use his size a bit more. When he can break out and play a free flowing, open running game, he's going to be great, but when the game settles down certain limitations may present themselves more. He's a bit Lonzo-esque in that regard.

      But seriously - he just put up 32-11-13, with 2 TO's, in 40 minutes in a professional league. This isn't Euroleague obviously, but it's a very solid pro league, and that's an insane line.

      I think he's a ball of clay prospect that needs the right development, but he's got a lot of unteachable gifts already. If he can get his defense to a passable level and tighten up the shooting (to what degree he can, I don't know), then the sky is the limit in terms of ceiling. Obviously if those 2 things remain big liabilities than that's always going to hold him back considerably as a guy you want to run your offense through at the next level.


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      Post#72 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:08 pm

      "Also out of his 4 three's, I think 2 or 3 were some ridiculous off balance/off dribble iso shots, which he can get hot with, but are not 'good shots' per se."

      Yeah, I'd say they were horrendously difficult shots.

      I remember the raptors brought in this little guy, an inefficient scorer and someone posted a highlight reel showing him hitting a bunch of extremely difficult shots. It was impressive and people thought maybe we're getting a solid 6th man type of scorer off the bench. But it was all makes, no misses...all I saw was horrible shot selection and a guy unable to create his own shot. Anyways he played 68 games with the raptors and about another 68 with other teams before his career ended. 37% from the field during that time.

      Anyways I think Ball with his size and handle and threat to drive should be able to create some better looks from the outside in time with some more maturity, one would hope. I think his handle, layup making, and passing/vision were on display though, I can DEFINITELY see why he's a very intriguing, near the top of the draft type of player.
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      Post#73 » by GimmeDat » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:40 pm

      I think the most encouraging thing is he seems receptive to understanding what the 'right play' is and he's cutting out the bad shots as he goes. A trend earlier in the season was that he'd be playing a good floor game, but then he'd occasionally just come down and hoist up an early 3, kind of like in his head that 'I've been distributing but I need to look for my shot now' look. But those shots are largely out now and instead he's generally looking more aggressive getting to the right spots.

      Yeah some of those 3 point attempts were ugly shot selection in the above game, but one was off a mismatch where they told him to go to work, another was a heat check, etc. It's not great but it's less egregious than before.

      I don't see any reason why he can't be efficient either - I think that'll all come down to how much he decides to settle for jumpers. That's what's brought down his FG% so far in the NBL, the volume of three's that he's been struggling to hit. Largely I've been impressed by the efficiency of his finishing/floater etc.
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      Post#74 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:02 am

      HeadtopChunes wrote:I would like Lamelo anywhere but the Knicks tbh


      Care to elaborate??

      I think he'd fit perfectly on the knicks.

      Especially next to frank,RJ and mitch.
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      Post#75 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:32 am

      TheGreenArrow wrote:
      HeadtopChunes wrote:I would like Lamelo anywhere but the Knicks tbh


      Care to elaborate??

      I think he'd fit perfectly on the knicks.

      Especially next to frank,RJ and mitch.


      i have zero trust in their coaching and FO to create the right environment for him to flourish

      and I've already seen Lavar+ Big Market.

      I just think it is the destination with the highest likelihood that he busts.
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      Post#76 » by nicnac215 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:41 pm

      His handles are suspect. He carries the ball more than any prospect I’ve ever seen. A gritty defender would lock him up.
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      Re: LaMelo Ball 

      Post#77 » by prime1time » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:26 pm

      nicnac215 wrote:His handles are suspect. He carries the ball more than any prospect I’ve ever seen. A gritty defender would lock him up.

      If it doesn't get called it's not a carry. And did you really just say "gritty defender?" Is this the 90s? Do gritty defenders even exist anymore? Don't make me laugh.
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      Re: LaMelo Ball 

      Post#78 » by The-Power » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:34 pm

      prime1time wrote:And did you really just say "gritty defender?" Is this the 90s? Do gritty defenders even exist anymore? Don't make me laugh.

      Of course there are still elite defenders out there who can make your life hell if your handles are suspect and you try to create a lot. That's not even a question.
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      Re: LaMelo Ball 

      Post#79 » by Nazrmohamed » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:40 pm

      HeadtopChunes wrote:
      TheGreenArrow wrote:
      HeadtopChunes wrote:I would like Lamelo anywhere but the Knicks tbh


      Care to elaborate??

      I think he'd fit perfectly on the knicks.

      Especially next to frank,RJ and mitch.


      i have zero trust in their coaching and FO to create the right environment for him to flourish

      and I've already seen Lavar+ Big Market.

      I just think it is the destination with the highest likelihood that he busts.


      I guess that's fair but then flip it. Is there any prospect that you think is perfect for the Knicks or should we just disband entirely.
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      Re: LaMelo Ball 

      Post#80 » by prime1time » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:50 pm

      The-Power wrote:
      prime1time wrote:And did you really just say "gritty defender?" Is this the 90s? Do gritty defenders even exist anymore? Don't make me laugh.

      Of course there are still elite defenders out there who can make your life hell if your handles are suspect and you try to create a lot. That's not even a question.

      He'd be a top 5 ball-handler right now. I want to know who will make his life hell if he decided to create? Can't be more than 5or6 guys in the entire NBA. And they'd make any of these wing prospects struggle so I'm not sure why this is even an issue.

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