Jalen Green - next elite prospect

[Big J]

I think the G-league decision was a great choice for someone like Green, who I rate significantly lower than everyone here apparently. Being able to cut/drive to the rim when there is a "3 in the key" call makes him look better as an athlete and slasher than he actually is, if we were to compare him to a college player. I think this pick will be very unfortunately for whoever takes him, and the league will learn a lot about how to evaluate G-league talent vs college talent.

So, basically fringe NBA players fighting for millions can’t guard him because of the 3 second rule, but he would have been exposed by a bunch of future plumbers & insurance salesmen at Northern Iowa?

[Phenomenonsense]

Could be. I like my takes to be strong and confident, but I don't mind being wrong if I'm wrong eventually. I'm not angry at Green, but I'm definitely fully against G-League prospects when someone like Austin Day can average 2 PPG less than Green (on less minutes) and look good in the G-League, I need to be blown away by talent and with Green I see some good dunks and easy passes. I'm sure he can be like, a good off ball shooter. Or like, a 3 and D guy with no D. If you take him top 5 you're gonna be sad.

[clyde21]

Could be. I like my takes to be strong and confident, but I don't mind being wrong if I'm wrong eventually. I'm not angry at Green, but I'm definitely fully against G-League prospects when someone like Austin Day can average 2 PPG less than Green (on less minutes) and look good in the G-League, I need to be blown away by talent and with Green I see some good dunks and easy passes. I'm sure he can be like, a good off ball shooter. Or like, a 3 and D guy with no D. If you take him top 5 you're gonna be sad.

if you haven't seen him play just save us this stupid exchange and say so you haven't seen him play.

[Phenomenonsense]

I think the G-league decision was a great choice for someone like Green, who I rate significantly lower than everyone here apparently. Being able to cut/drive to the rim when there is a "3 in the key" call makes him look better as an athlete and slasher than he actually is, if we were to compare him to a college player. I think this pick will be very unfortunately for whoever takes him, and the league will learn a lot about how to evaluate G-league talent vs college talent.

So, basically fringe NBA players fighting for millions can’t guard him because of the 3 second rule, but he would have been exposed by a bunch of future plumbers & insurance salesmen at Northern Iowa?

No, I think that you're comparing him to other draft prospects who do have someone in the lane constantly and that Green gets more dunks because of it. It makes him look more impressive/athletic. Someone like Donovan Mitchell, for example, would absolutely destroy everything Green is doing in the G-league if he went to the G-league. Or at least that is my hypothesis. And lets be honest, just as many plumbers and insurance salesmen in the G league as there are collegiate basketball.

[Phenomenonsense]

Could be. I like my takes to be strong and confident, but I don't mind being wrong if I'm wrong eventually. I'm not angry at Green, but I'm definitely fully against G-League prospects when someone like Austin Day can average 2 PPG less than Green (on less minutes) and look good in the G-League, I need to be blown away by talent and with Green I see some good dunks and easy passes. I'm sure he can be like, a good off ball shooter. Or like, a 3 and D guy with no D. If you take him top 5 you're gonna be sad.

if you haven't seen him play just save us this stupid exchange and say so you haven't seen him play.

I've seen as much of him as I have any other player in the draft, draft videos, highlights, lowlights, etc. If you have seen more and want to say I can't justify my opinion without having watched an entire game then so be it.

[Ell Curry]

Comparing Green to Daye putting up numbers (on significantly worse efficiency) at 26 doesn't mean anything to me, but there is probably some truth to the G League being in some ways easier to score efficiently since your teammates can space the floor better and you can't be keyed on 1 on one as much or trapped and such.

As a Michigan fan for example, I'd be surprised if our undersized PG Mike Smith would do as well in the G-League as he did in college, but Franz Wagner I could see being a bit more comfortable.

[Duke4life831]

Could be. I like my takes to be strong and confident, but I don't mind being wrong if I'm wrong eventually. I'm not angry at Green, but I'm definitely fully against G-League prospects when someone like Austin Day can average 2 PPG less than Green (on less minutes) and look good in the G-League, I need to be blown away by talent and with Green I see some good dunks and easy passes. I'm sure he can be like, a good off ball shooter. Or like, a 3 and D guy with no D. If you take him top 5 you're gonna be sad.

Are we talking about the same Jalen Green? The guy with crazy bounce and one of the quickest first steps to come into a draft in quite sometime? Also why is Austin Daye getting brought up? Its been like 6 years since he was in the G League (or am I talking about a a different Austin Daye?) and he was in his mid 20s and not 19 when he played.

Im as big of a college basketball fan as you'll find, but are you trying to say Green would've faced better competition if he deciding to play in college over the G League? Lets say he went and played in the SEC, the first 10 games or so would be non conference games against teams that dont have a single player that could sniff the G League. Then come conference time, have the SEC is alright, but the other half is filled with crap teams.

I honestly have no clue what your post is even trying to say. But to say Green has a chance to be a 3 &D guy without the D is maybe the last way I would expect anyone to describe Jalen Green as a player. The very first thing that comes to anyones mind really when thinking about Green is his slashing ability.

[The Moose]

I think Green will end up being one of the better players from this draft, but I do think people are definitely overhyping the 'g-league grown men' competition thing, and the 'next Kobe' narrative that seems popular atm is crazy to me.

When I saw Sekou Doumbouya go to the g league at age 19 and succeed, putting up better stats than Kuminga, I realised its very different to the college game and the stats themselves are not a great indicator of NBA impact.

For refrerence Sekou age 19 had G-league averages of 17pts, 5.5 rebs, 1.5asts, 48% fg, 35% 3pt, 85%ft. When he steps on the court for the Pistons he looks completely lost and out of his depth.

[Phenomenonsense]

Could be. I like my takes to be strong and confident, but I don't mind being wrong if I'm wrong eventually. I'm not angry at Green, but I'm definitely fully against G-League prospects when someone like Austin Day can average 2 PPG less than Green (on less minutes) and look good in the G-League, I need to be blown away by talent and with Green I see some good dunks and easy passes. I'm sure he can be like, a good off ball shooter. Or like, a 3 and D guy with no D. If you take him top 5 you're gonna be sad.

Are we talking about the same Jalen Green? The guy with crazy bounce and one of the quickest first steps to come into a draft in quite sometime? Also why is Austin Daye getting brought up? Its been like 6 years since he was in the G League (or am I talking about a a different Austin Daye?) and he was in his mid 20s and not 19 when he played.

Im as big of a college basketball fan as you'll find, but are you trying to say Green would've faced better competition if he deciding to play in college over the G League? Lets say he went and played in the SEC, the first 10 games or so would be non conference games against teams that dont have a single player that could sniff the G League. Then come conference time, have the SEC is alright, but the other half is filled with crap teams.

I honestly have no clue what your post is even trying to say. But to say Green has a chance to be a 3 &D guy without the D is maybe the last way I would expect anyone to describe Jalen Green as a player. The very first thing that comes to anyones mind really when thinking about Green is his slashing ability.

His slashing ability was the first thing I brought up too, which was why I started this conversation. Slashing ability is significantly different in G-league than college. I'm not saying college has any better, nor worse, competition. I was thinking about why Green scares me as a prospect, and through some discussion I've determined it is the difference between college and G-league rule sets. I think shots come easier in the NBA than college, at least in many cases, because of the ease with which people can slash. When comparing prospects in the G-league and College, I think it is rather important to understand just how much of an impact this has on what people see when they see Green's highlights when comparing these to college athletes. I'd hedge my bets far and away from G-league prospects until we at least have some data as to how they compare as top picks. Which we will have soon enough.


As for why Daye, that's simply the last time I, as a Piston's fan, have cared about anyone going to the G-league, and his production is what I think of when I think of G-League player which clearly is my own bias.

[clyde21]

if you actually watched the Ignite team you'd realize that spacing was a huge issue on that team, there weren't any shooters on that team (i'd argue that Green was actually the best shooter)...so your point is not even relevant to the guy you're talking about and what he was seeing on the court.

and yes, spacing in general is better in semi pros and pros than in college...again...whats your point? how is that a knock on Green? no offense but there is literally 0 common sense in your dig against Green.

he's not a perfect prospect, there is stuff you can criticize other than faulting him for picking the G League over college.

[DCasey91]

Already did a breakdown on Green. Watched all his games (foxtel recordings are a godsend got most of the college games and euro stuff). Slow mo, rewind what have you.

Green is special. That’s it

Put Morant type athleticism and contortion in a slightly taller Beal... that’s Green. Run off ball/on ball sets exactly the same and watch the heck out.

Year 2 might be the explosion level. 21/3/4 then it is on like Donkey Kong.

Dude has glitch speed not quick... glitch speed laterally, straight, any which way, and the touch (his touch and passing is massively underrated here).

Dude will be a nightmare to guard in the NBA. Pay no mind to his wingspan. You seen him take off on his finishes? Haha good luck stopping this kid.

27/4/5 is a guarantee for him at his peak on ++ efficiency.

Three years time the main board will have is Jalen Green a top 15 player in the comp lol.

[tmorgan]

Almost zero doubt Green is going to be an elite scorer on his rookie contract. I know it’s not his thread, but the debate for Detroit is… can Cade’s size, passing, general IQ and leadership make up for it? In other words, if you ignore all the outside chatter, who does Weaver pick?

I do think it’s Cade, and I do think there’s a not small chance it’s the wrong choice. Still, Detroit really needs what Cade brings to the table and he slots in perfectly. If Cade ends up All-NBA and one of the best well-rounded players in the league, will it hurt to pass on a future scoring leader? Probably not.

Gonna be a fun watch either way.

[Marcus]

Almost zero doubt Green is going to be an elite scorer on his rookie contract. I know it’s not his thread, but the debate for Detroit is… can Cade’s size, passing, general IQ and leadership make up for it? In other words, if you ignore all the outside chatter, who does Weaver pick?

I do think it’s Cade, and I do think there’s a not small chance it’s the wrong choice. Still, Detroit really needs what Cade brings to the table and he slots in perfectly. If Cade ends up All-NBA and one of the best well-rounded players in the league, will it hurt to pass on a future scoring leader? Probably not.

Gonna be a fun watch either way.

Love Cade. Love him. I swear i do. Likely gonna be solo on this take and that's fine because i've died on hills before with this hot take thing, BUT, i'm not against the mindset of taking Green instead of Cade. If the pressure to draft Cade one is too much then swap um ala Luka/Trae and see if you can add something else but I like the Jalen fit for the Pistons. I think if there is any belief in Killian at all as the PG going forward with Lee also surprising the way he did, Jalen checks a few boxes for yall.

I like the fit better in terms of giving you a tried and true perimeter scorer, I like the defined positions for the backcourt, and I like the needed star power.

Cade without question brings a lot to the table but i think the two PG fit even though works conceptually with the dual playmakers isn't the best use of those two. forcing one to live off ball for the time being and whatnot. I like what Cade gives everyone else on the team because i do think he will help Jerami, Big Stew, and my guy Saddiq should benefit the most from him i feel. Cade should also continue the rebrand of one of my biggest prospect misses in Josh Jackson since Josh moves really well off ball. BUT even with all that said. IMO, most humble, I like the Jalen Green fit better and think there at least should be some serious consideration in going that route despite the narrative.

[clyde21]

i think a franchise like Detroit just has to take Cade, he'll be a stabilizing force for that franchise on day one, even though his ceiling is not quite as high as Green's, his floor is higher, and his path to success in the NBA is crystal clear with plenty of elite skills/tools of his own.

that said, I would not be shocked at all if Green is the best player from this draft in 5 yrs, heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Green is a top 5 player in the entire NBA in 5 years, he's that freaky. dude has legit Kobe/MJ type movements and athleticism at the 2 guard position, and we don't see that often obviously.

[Marcus]

i think a franchise like Detroit just has to take Cade, he'll be a stabilizing force for that franchise on day one, even though his ceiling is not quite as high as Green's, his floor is higher, and his path to success in the NBA is crystal clear with plenty of elite skills/tools of his own.

that said, I would not be shocked at all if Green is the best player from this draft in 5 yrs, heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Green is a top 5 player in the entire NBA in 5 years, he's that freaky. dude has legit Kobe/MJ type movements and athleticism at the 2 guard position, and we don't see that often obviously.

andddddddd he wants it. i think past the obvious, for me that's the part that stands out with him compared to the other top fivers. The understanding and embracing of his natural ability coupled with his desire to get better. Watching the Ignite games and even the improvements from Junior to Senior year the kid makes real strides in short spans. He processes fairly quickly and is becoming a better basketball player the more he sees. I think as his IQ catches up to the physical gifts it's going to get dark for the landscape.

But yeah Cade culturally makes more sense. We'll see how well the Cade/Hayes duo works. I personally think at some point you turn the keys over to Cade and flip Killian for some off ball work and let Cade orchestrate as nature intended.

[clyde21]

i think a franchise like Detroit just has to take Cade, he'll be a stabilizing force for that franchise on day one, even though his ceiling is not quite as high as Green's, his floor is higher, and his path to success in the NBA is crystal clear with plenty of elite skills/tools of his own.

that said, I would not be shocked at all if Green is the best player from this draft in 5 yrs, heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Green is a top 5 player in the entire NBA in 5 years, he's that freaky. dude has legit Kobe/MJ type movements and athleticism at the 2 guard position, and we don't see that often obviously.

andddddddd he wants it. i think past the obvious, for me that's the part that stands out with him compared to the other top fivers. The understanding and embracing of his natural ability coupled with his desire to get better. Watching the Ignite games and even the improvements from Junior to Senior year the kid makes real strides in short spans. He processes fairly quickly and is becoming a better basketball player the more he sees. I think as his IQ catches up to the physical gifts it's going to get dark for the landscape.

But yeah Cade culturally makes more sense. We'll see how well the Cade/Hayes duo works. I personally think at some point you turn the keys over to Cade and flip Killian for some off ball work and let Cade orchestrate as nature intended.

he's a fresno kid so u know we gotta get his back

[Marcus]

i think a franchise like Detroit just has to take Cade, he'll be a stabilizing force for that franchise on day one, even though his ceiling is not quite as high as Green's, his floor is higher, and his path to success in the NBA is crystal clear with plenty of elite skills/tools of his own.

that said, I would not be shocked at all if Green is the best player from this draft in 5 yrs, heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Green is a top 5 player in the entire NBA in 5 years, he's that freaky. dude has legit Kobe/MJ type movements and athleticism at the 2 guard position, and we don't see that often obviously.

andddddddd he wants it. i think past the obvious, for me that's the part that stands out with him compared to the other top fivers. The understanding and embracing of his natural ability coupled with his desire to get better. Watching the Ignite games and even the improvements from Junior to Senior year the kid makes real strides in short spans. He processes fairly quickly and is becoming a better basketball player the more he sees. I think as his IQ catches up to the physical gifts it's going to get dark for the landscape.

But yeah Cade culturally makes more sense. We'll see how well the Cade/Hayes duo works. I personally think at some point you turn the keys over to Cade and flip Killian for some off ball work and let Cade orchestrate as nature intended.

he's a fresno kid so u know we gotta get his back

lol. i ain't that far up North but i'm definitely putting the Cali claims on him. If he don't land in Detroit, (and i know you might hate this lol) i like that Garland/Green combo in the land.

[tmorgan]

Well, if Detroit does go Cade, Houston shouldn’t pass on Green. Mobley this and Mobley that, and it has nothing to do with KPJ or Wood. Green is just frightening.

[Phenomenonsense]

Almost zero doubt Green is going to be an elite scorer on his rookie contract. I know it’s not his thread, but the debate for Detroit is… can Cade’s size, passing, general IQ and leadership make up for it? In other words, if you ignore all the outside chatter, who does Weaver pick?

I do think it’s Cade, and I do think there’s a not small chance it’s the wrong choice. Still, Detroit really needs what Cade brings to the table and he slots in perfectly. If Cade ends up All-NBA and one of the best well-rounded players in the league, will it hurt to pass on a future scoring leader? Probably not.

Gonna be a fun watch either way.

Love Cade. Love him. I swear i do. Likely gonna be solo on this take and that's fine because i've died on hills before with this hot take thing, BUT, i'm not against the mindset of taking Green instead of Cade. If the pressure to draft Cade one is too much then swap um ala Luka/Trae and see if you can add something else but I like the Jalen fit for the Pistons. I think if there is any belief in Killian at all as the PG going forward with Lee also surprising the way he did, Jalen checks a few boxes for yall.

I like the fit better in terms of giving you a tried and true perimeter scorer, I like the defined positions for the backcourt, and I like the needed star power.

Cade without question brings a lot to the table but i think the two PG fit even though works conceptually with the dual playmakers isn't the best use of those two. forcing one to live off ball for the time being and whatnot. I like what Cade gives everyone else on the team because i do think he will help Jerami, Big Stew, and my guy Saddiq should benefit the most from him i feel. Cade should also continue the rebrand of one of my biggest prospect misses in Josh Jackson since Josh moves really well off ball. BUT even with all that said. IMO, most humble, I like the Jalen Green fit better and think there at least should be some serious consideration in going that route despite the narrative.

I love a man dying on his hill, ya gotta do it. I would not pass on Cade because we have Killian in any way personally. I can appreciate people being high on Green, but still seems like an experiment to draft a G-leaguer that high and I'd rather not do it.

[DCasey91]

For Piston fans Grant and Bey is your wings (Cade is a wing not a PG). Set it up with Green and Grant + Bey and let Joseph be the facilitating PG.

Jackson/Sekou are the others that’s 4 wings, don’t need or should want Cade at all.

Insert Bey and Stewart in the starting lineup, Hayes can learn the trade from the bench.

Starting Lineup:
Joseph
Green
Bey
Grant
Stewart

Bench:
Hayes
McGruder
Sekou
Jackson
Plumlee

Suddenly this doesn’t look bad at all team wise for the Pistons if the young ones develop (play the younger ones 20min ppg and more).