Josh Giddey - 6'8 Aussie PG

[SNPA]

What is his FT% and defensive IQ look like?

FT% is at 68% atm (32/47).

Worth considering it's also positively skewed though 13/16 (81%) over his last 10.

Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, just like his jump-shooting. Not an outstanding shooter but not a terrible one either.

Defensive IQ.. he's got really good instincts, occasional lapses off-ball that I've seen, but I think the only significant concern should really be his foot-speed against smaller defenders.

This goes to what I’m trying to figure out. Is this guy a starting PG (bad defense), backup ball handler/offensive initiator (bad/so so defense) or a starting/rotational wing initiator (decent defense)?

Or is he star you build around?

[DCasey91]

Starting PG. Im not sure what limits him to wing or backup PG or what fatal flaw that dooms him Tomas Satoransky status at 18.

For which team though? That’s my biggest concern for Giddey (also I don’t rank him as high of a trajectory as a starter PG compared to other starter PG’s in the league).


Washington if Westbrook moves

Can’t see much other teams

Check the starting PG’s in the NBA
It’s a bigger risk handing the Keys to Giddey then it is Lamelo, I can’t see it happening at all.

Like for me max trajectory is something like a 15/5/8 starter guy nothing wrong with that.

You are doubling down on silliness.

IMO Giddey is way underrated in draft discussions. This will be another year of trying to find fault in the 6'8 lead guard that is already performing at 18 at a high professional level.

Giddey should be in consideration for the top pick in this draft but group think will never allow it.

Doubling down on silliness? I said my piece on Giddey, logical and sound approach. Between you and me I’m not the one wearing the rose colored glasses lol

[Sactowndog]

What is his FT% and defensive IQ look like?

FT% is at 68% atm (32/47).

Worth considering it's also positively skewed though 13/16 (81%) over his last 10.

Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, just like his jump-shooting. Not an outstanding shooter but not a terrible one either.

Defensive IQ.. he's got really good instincts, occasional lapses off-ball that I've seen, but I think the only significant concern should really be his foot-speed against smaller defenders.

This goes to what I’m trying to figure out. Is this guy a starting PG (bad defense), backup ball handler/offensive initiator (bad/so so defense) or a starting/rotational wing initiator (decent defense)?

Or is he star you build around?

You and me both. Could he be a 3rd with Fox and Haliburton. Having 3 guys who have the ability to pass, move and shoot would be interesting. But can he defend the 3. I’m less worried about quickness to defend the 1’s than I am length to defend the 3.

[MemphisX]

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[916fan]

You and me both. Could he be a 3rd with Fox and Haliburton. Having 3 guys who have the ability to pass, move and shoot would be interesting. But can he defend the 3. I’m less worried about quickness to defend the 1’s than I am length to defend the 3.

I think that's an awful fit with Fox and Haliburton. I don't even think Fox and Haliburton compliment each other well at all, so adding another ball-dom playmaker to the mix only minimizes the skill sets of everyone else. Giddey needs to be on a team where he's the lead guard.. not on a team where he's relegated to an off-ball role player.

[Sactowndog]

You and me both. Could he be a 3rd with Fox and Haliburton. Having 3 guys who have the ability to pass, move and shoot would be interesting. But can he defend the 3. I’m less worried about quickness to defend the 1’s than I am length to defend the 3.

I think that's an awful fit with Fox and Haliburton. I don't even think Fox and Haliburton compliment each other well at all, so adding another ball-dom playmaker to the mix only minimizes the skill sets of everyone else. Giddey needs to be on a team where he's the lead guard.. not on a team where he's relegated to an off-ball role player.

Fox to me is a 2 guard and you can never have to many guys with High IQs that can defend and shoot.

[916fan]

You and me both. Could he be a 3rd with Fox and Haliburton. Having 3 guys who have the ability to pass, move and shoot would be interesting. But can he defend the 3. I’m less worried about quickness to defend the 1’s than I am length to defend the 3.

I think that's an awful fit with Fox and Haliburton. I don't even think Fox and Haliburton compliment each other well at all, so adding another ball-dom playmaker to the mix only minimizes the skill sets of everyone else. Giddey needs to be on a team where he's the lead guard.. not on a team where he's relegated to an off-ball role player.

Fox to me is a 2 guard and you can never have to many guys with High IQs that can defend and shoot.

I'm going to assume you were talking about Haliburton. Haliburton would be so much better as a full-time PG than an off-ball PG imo.

However, going back to Giddey, the main thing that makes him special is his playmaking and passing ability. If he's playing with Fox and Haliburton, he'll be lucky to even get backup PG duties. It almost seems like a waste to draft him when you already have 2 guys who are already sharing PG time. Don't think Giddey would be able to grow nor develop much with the current personnel that the Kings have. He'd be relegated to an off-ball player. The fit just doesn't seem to be there for us.

Maybe a team as bad as the Kings shouldn't worry about fit, but I think his talents would be wasted on this team just because he wouldn't get the opportunity to be a PG.

[No-Man]

What is his FT% and defensive IQ look like?

FT% is at 68% atm (32/47).

Worth considering it's also positively skewed though 13/16 (81%) over his last 10.

Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, just like his jump-shooting. Not an outstanding shooter but not a terrible one either.

Defensive IQ.. he's got really good instincts, occasional lapses off-ball that I've seen, but I think the only significant concern should really be his foot-speed against smaller defenders.

This goes to what I’m trying to figure out. Is this guy a starting PG (bad defense), backup ball handler/offensive initiator (bad/so so defense) or a starting/rotational wing initiator (decent defense)?

Or is he star you build around?

Giddey is a swingman and a linker, very similar to Joe Ingles' role really, or what some guys like Batum could do, he is not that great on D compared to classic linkers but has more flare to his game, I think he can be a starting wing which is great but he is def not a primary initiator, nor a PG or a star

[No-Man]

You and me both. Could he be a 3rd with Fox and Haliburton. Having 3 guys who have the ability to pass, move and shoot would be interesting. But can he defend the 3. I’m less worried about quickness to defend the 1’s than I am length to defend the 3.

I think that's an awful fit with Fox and Haliburton. I don't even think Fox and Haliburton compliment each other well at all, so adding another ball-dom playmaker to the mix only minimizes the skill sets of everyone else. Giddey needs to be on a team where he's the lead guard.. not on a team where he's relegated to an off-ball role player.

another ball-dom? Haliburton is the opposite of a ball-dom player and so is going to be Giddey (Giddey and Hali are actually kinda comparable in terms of ideal roles, both are linkers, like... Lonzo)

if you have him as your lead guard he is going to fail miserably

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont see him as ball dominant. Ingles makes plays for example, but he isnt ball dominat. He is smart, efficient and moves the ball extremley well. I see him like that.

[Sactowndog]

I think that's an awful fit with Fox and Haliburton. I don't even think Fox and Haliburton compliment each other well at all, so adding another ball-dom playmaker to the mix only minimizes the skill sets of everyone else. Giddey needs to be on a team where he's the lead guard.. not on a team where he's relegated to an off-ball role player.

Fox to me is a 2 guard and you can never have to many guys with High IQs that can defend and shoot.

I'm going to assume you were talking about Haliburton. Haliburton would be so much better as a full-time PG than an off-ball PG imo.

However, going back to Giddey, the main thing that makes him special is his playmaking and passing ability. If he's playing with Fox and Haliburton, he'll be lucky to even get backup PG duties. It almost seems like a waste to draft him when you already have 2 guys who are already sharing PG time. Don't think Giddey would be able to grow nor develop much with the current personnel that the Kings have. He'd be relegated to an off-ball player. The fit just doesn't seem to be there for us.

Maybe a team as bad as the Kings shouldn't worry about fit, but I think his talents would be wasted on this team just because he wouldn't get the opportunity to be a PG.

No I was talking about Fox. He does an okay job of getting other people involved at their favorite spots. One reason the Kings often us Haliburton as the offensive initiator in the half court is he is better than Fox in that role. I think with another year of experience he will be the Kings main offensive initiator in the half court.

[MemphisX]

I dont see him as ball dominant. Ingles makes plays for example, but he isnt ball dominat. He is smart, efficient and moves the ball extremley well. I see him like that.

Their play styles are nothing alike. Giddey is a point guard. Has always been a point guard. He doesn’t even play like Halliburton either. He’s more point guard than Suggs.

[Dat2U]

FT% is at 68% atm (32/47).

Worth considering it's also positively skewed though 13/16 (81%) over his last 10.

Reality is probably somewhere in the middle, just like his jump-shooting. Not an outstanding shooter but not a terrible one either.

Defensive IQ.. he's got really good instincts, occasional lapses off-ball that I've seen, but I think the only significant concern should really be his foot-speed against smaller defenders.

This goes to what I’m trying to figure out. Is this guy a starting PG (bad defense), backup ball handler/offensive initiator (bad/so so defense) or a starting/rotational wing initiator (decent defense)?

Or is he star you build around?

Giddey is a swingman and a linker, very similar to Joe Ingles' role really, or what some guys like Batum could do, he is not that great on D compared to classic linkers but has more flare to his game, I think he can be a starting wing which is great but he is def not a primary initiator, nor a PG or a star

What prohibits him from being a primary initiation or limits him to only being a "linker"?

[DCasey91]

I actually see Wagner as more Ingles like than anyone else in the draft.

I always have Giddey as a lesser version of Lamelo no harm in that.

Hasn’t shown volume/scoring like Lamelo which drops his potential (didn’t think he was a 20ppg scorer anyway not in his repitoire). Defense and the shot needs some work in the off season.

I mean for him his best role right now would actually be a primary backup PG. still will get 20+ mins a night and plays the floor game running the second unit. Exactly like Hornets did with Ball/Sato Wizards years from the bench.

I wouldn’t put him in a starter role in the NBA from the word go once I look at all the starter PG’s in the comp. There is production thresholds to cover which Giddey can’t do currently.

I mean look who has lotto picks most of them have their starter PG’s.

[No-Man]

This goes to what I’m trying to figure out. Is this guy a starting PG (bad defense), backup ball handler/offensive initiator (bad/so so defense) or a starting/rotational wing initiator (decent defense)?

Or is he star you build around?

Giddey is a swingman and a linker, very similar to Joe Ingles' role really, or what some guys like Batum could do, he is not that great on D compared to classic linkers but has more flare to his game, I think he can be a starting wing which is great but he is def not a primary initiator, nor a PG or a star

What prohibits him from being a primary initiation or limits him to only being a "linker"?

mostly athleticism but also the pull-up not being really a dynamic enough of a weapon, but yeah, he does a good job in the NBL against that level of athleticism to get somewhat in the paint and use his agility and feel, but there is no chance he can lead an offense and have a big usage at the next level, it's just never happening

[No-Man]

Giddey is definitely not a PG come on now, he can't handle it vs PGs if those are his match ups on D, and he absolutely can not defend PGs in space at the next level, please

[DCasey91]

Giddey is definitely not a PG come on now, he can't handle it vs PGs if those are his match ups on D, and he absolutely can not defend PGs in space at the next level, please

He’ll get switched to a wing it’s not that hard in the NBA to do that.

[Dat2U]

Giddey is definitely not a PG come on now, he can't handle it vs PGs if those are his match ups on D, and he absolutely can not defend PGs in space at the next level, please

Violent disagreement. I don't see these limitations. His ballhandling skill looks PG quality to me. He runs a P&R smoother than some NBA vets. His decision making is instinctive, he can make live dribble dimes cross court. I see a solid first step. I see an 18 year old with a ton of skill who just got handed the keys and is only improving.

I dont know if he's a superstar just yet but 6-8 + elite skill usually equals good things even if your not an elite athlete.

[kobyz]

Is he different from Bolmaro as a prospect?

[DCasey91]

Is he different from Bolmaro as a prospect?

Actually that’s a very good comp. Bol is obviously older but plays in a harder league.

At first I thought Bodiroga but he was more flashy, then I thought Lesser Lamelo but Bolmaro is pretty close to Giddey as players.

Basically a 2yr gap in age so Giddey may end up better.