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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#61 » by falcolombardi » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:41 am

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DCasey91 wrote:Chet’s frame the only concern is from the knees down, waist up is actually fine. Last thing you want is to be top heavy for zero reason, Zingis did that and can’t play for any stretch of time. They have similar frames, Zingis worked out in the wrong area. Some sportsmen can’t afford to hold extra unnecessary weight. Giannis will probably get more knee issues as the years go on.

Take Conor for example, is a hypocrite on to himself talking about being nimble. At lightweight he’s actually mediocre but at feather dude was all time potential. His frame allowed him to be a big feather but certainly not a lightweight because he’s always had tank issues and a taxing fight style. His last say 4 fights I reckon he was well over 15 pounds too large.

I hope Chet takes up swimming for a long time. Adds a bunch stamina and for core/leg strength and it’ll be fine, much better for a 7ft guy, less joint concerns too vs lifting heavy.


It's crazy. Most ball players don't realize it, but if they were to swim instead of hoop the top players be would uber elite all-time swimmers. Same ideal body type.


off topic but this reminded me that once upon a time there was serious consideration, at least among media, about whether it would be a good idea to ban the talk players from nba to give smaller players a chance and they interviewed a lot of basketball coaches among others (SI has the article from back then for free onlin, is really old)

most disagreed, some actually agreed. others suggested rule changes that deprioritized height

but one of the interviewees thst made the best points was the one pointing out that in reality and contrary to what most people would think, nba giants or ultra long and lanki dudes were not actually built for most sports and it was actually shorter athletes who had the advantage in most of them

is actually true when you analize that basketball bodies are far from ideal for most disciplines and sports where more Compact (football, contact sports) or relatively shorter (soccer, gymnastics, some athletism disciplines) bodies and their better cordination and mobility give a bigger advantage than being 7 foot

that it would be unfair for all sports to be made for people 6'3 or shorter and not have anythingh for the really talk people to Excel at

it seemed to me a really great defense against the common criticism of basketball for being a excluyent game that is so much about height

i think basketball, swimming, volleyball are the sports that definitely help these kind of body types the most

although it has always been a wonder of me what really long players with good mobility like durant or giannis could do as soccer goalkeepers
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#62 » by DCasey91 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:57 pm

Well basketball is arguably the most exclusive not inclusive high end sport in the world, the actual pool to pick from is mightily small. 7 footers have got an NBA career by being 7ft but not being a great sportsmen at all. But that’s the harsh reality of the sports world.

I’ve known guys that had more ability in their little finger compared to a bigger guy but because they were small their body just couldn’t hold up.

I wouldn’t think Giannis or KD would make good goalkeepers fwiw, Soccer players are freaks of the highest nature at the feet/ground level , basically the opposite of KD/Giannis’s dexterity low to the ground.

If you see an quote unquote “undersized” player relative to position and he isn’t quick or has a physical advantage (aka meatball) then you best be sure their skill level is through the damn roof lol.

CP3 is a bit of a meatball but you get the point. Dudes a master of the game in the land of the tallest players.
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Post#63 » by Big J » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:05 pm

DCasey91 wrote:Well basketball is arguably the most exclusive not inclusive high end sport in the world, the actual pool to pick from is mightily small. 7 footers have got an NBA career by being 7ft but not being a great sportsmen at all. But that’s the harsh reality of the sports world.

I’ve known guys that had more ability in their little finger compared to a bigger guy but because they were small their body just couldn’t hold up.

I wouldn’t think Giannis or KD would make good goalkeepers fwiw, Soccer players are freaks of the highest nature at the feet/ground level , basically the opposite of KD/Giannis’s dexterity low to the ground.

If you see an quote unquote “undersized” player relative to position and he isn’t quick or has a physical advantage (aka meatball) then you best be sure their skill level is through the damn roof lol.

CP3 is a bit of a meatball but you get the point. Dudes a master of the game in the land of the tallest players.


Hakeem was an elite goalkeeper at 7 foot, nuff said.
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Post#64 » by DCasey91 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:34 am

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DCasey91 wrote:Well basketball is arguably the most exclusive not inclusive high end sport in the world, the actual pool to pick from is mightily small. 7 footers have got an NBA career by being 7ft but not being a great sportsmen at all. But that’s the harsh reality of the sports world.

I’ve known guys that had more ability in their little finger compared to a bigger guy but because they were small their body just couldn’t hold up.

I wouldn’t think Giannis or KD would make good goalkeepers fwiw, Soccer players are freaks of the highest nature at the feet/ground level , basically the opposite of KD/Giannis’s dexterity low to the ground.

If you see an quote unquote “undersized” player relative to position and he isn’t quick or has a physical advantage (aka meatball) then you best be sure their skill level is through the damn roof lol.

CP3 is a bit of a meatball but you get the point. Dudes a master of the game in the land of the tallest players.


Hakeem was an elite goalkeeper at 7 foot, nuff said.



Soccer has the highest levels in the world in comparison to leagues from domestic to international and worldwide involved so elite is really stretching it here. Lebron was more elite in the NFL as a junior in high school if you want to say it like that.
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Post#65 » by Big J » Tue Feb 1, 2022 11:16 am

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DCasey91 wrote:Well basketball is arguably the most exclusive not inclusive high end sport in the world, the actual pool to pick from is mightily small. 7 footers have got an NBA career by being 7ft but not being a great sportsmen at all. But that’s the harsh reality of the sports world.

I’ve known guys that had more ability in their little finger compared to a bigger guy but because they were small their body just couldn’t hold up.

I wouldn’t think Giannis or KD would make good goalkeepers fwiw, Soccer players are freaks of the highest nature at the feet/ground level , basically the opposite of KD/Giannis’s dexterity low to the ground.

If you see an quote unquote “undersized” player relative to position and he isn’t quick or has a physical advantage (aka meatball) then you best be sure their skill level is through the damn roof lol.

CP3 is a bit of a meatball but you get the point. Dudes a master of the game in the land of the tallest players.


Hakeem was an elite goalkeeper at 7 foot, nuff said.



Soccer has the highest levels in the world in comparison to leagues from domestic to international and worldwide involved so elite is really stretching it here. Lebron was more elite in the NFL as a junior in high school if you want to say it like that.


Lebron was in the NFL in junior high. :crazy:
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#66 » by basketballRob » Wed Feb 2, 2022 12:41 am

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DCasey91 wrote:
Big J wrote:
Hakeem was an elite goalkeeper at 7 foot, nuff said.



Soccer has the highest levels in the world in comparison to leagues from domestic to international and worldwide involved so elite is really stretching it here. Lebron was more elite in the NFL as a junior in high school if you want to say it like that.


Lebron was in the NFL in junior high. :crazy:
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Post#67 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:06 am

Chet's above 45% from three now, gotta be helping his draft stock a fair bit. Limited sample size thing, but still.
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Post#68 » by The Moose » Fri Feb 4, 2022 3:43 am

Chet doing Chet things again

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He's shooting 56% 3pt over his last 11 games on 2 3pm per game, crazy
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Post#69 » by Big J » Fri Feb 4, 2022 5:14 am

The Moose wrote:Chet doing Chet things again

23/12/4blks
9/12fg (3-5 3pt)

He's shooting 56% 3pt over his last 11 games on 2 3pm per game, crazy


About time he started putting up those kind of numbers. He should be feasting on these mid majors.
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Post#71 » by GeorgeMarcus » Fri Feb 4, 2022 7:18 am

He's living up to the hype IMO. Has a strong case for #1
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Post#72 » by Big J » Fri Feb 4, 2022 9:39 am

GeorgeMarcus wrote:He's living up to the hype IMO. Has a strong case for #1


If he has a big tourney he will show that he’s a big game player and cement the top spot.
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Post#73 » by MemphisX » Fri Feb 4, 2022 11:47 am

Yep, he has definitely established himself as a worthy #1 pick. Jabari Smith is there too. Paolo/Ivey/Sharpe IMO are the only other ones that have a chance to be #1.
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Post#74 » by Ell Curry » Fri Feb 4, 2022 6:15 pm

I think he'll go #1. The upside is just too high and I don't think being Porzingis gonna ward teams off because Porzingis can't punish teams in the post but Chet should be able to drive by smaller players instead.
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Post#75 » by Madhouse » Sun Feb 6, 2022 5:22 am

Chet has quickness, actual handles and passing ability compared to Porzingis.

I think his ceiling is to be in this rare 25/10/5 company with elite defense.

Unknown if he will reach it because he needs to gain weight and obviously mature but his skill set is worthy of being number 1 and nothing else. Maybe he isn't quiet that scorer but I feel very good confident about the defense translating very well. I rate him slightly above Mobley as a big man prospect.
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Post#76 » by DaddyCool19 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:35 am

Has he gained any weight?
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Post#77 » by Madhouse » Sun Feb 6, 2022 5:01 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:Has he gained any weight?


doesn't look like much, he is really thin.
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Post#78 » by Big J » Tue Feb 8, 2022 12:13 am

Chet seems like the kind of guy that dudes are just licking their chops to boom on.
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Post#79 » by CptCrunch » Tue Feb 8, 2022 2:27 am

Thought question:

If Chet gets sonned by a NBA quality PF in the tournament, how much does he drop?

Of course if he outplays NBA size over the span of a tourney, then I'll naturally take him #1.
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Post#80 » by Big J » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:57 am

CptCrunch wrote:Thought question:

If Chet gets sonned by a NBA quality PF in the tournament, how much does he drop?

Of course if he outplays NBA size over the span of a tourney, then I'll naturally take him #1.


A lot. Struggling in the tourney would be a big red flag that shows weakness vs top level competition.

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