Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects

[DCasey91]

ayo is wildly underrated

otherwise this draft has me entirely perplexed. have no clue how to project these dudes.

Me too! it’s a head scratcher from 5 onwards.

There’s like 30 that have the tools to be solid to really good NBA players but the chances of that happening is zero lol.

It’s basically 15 on average per draft that quote un quote make a legit impact long term.

[BostonCouchGM]

Cmon man, of course everyone is going to say nice things about the guy when they are asked.

Green is a natural leader. He’s full of charisma, connects with his teammates, and is beloved by his coaches. He’s got a Curry esque likability factor about him.

you have a habit of just saying random things hoping they stick huh?

bring receipts that Cade is a bad leader or gtfo

I don’t need receipts, just follow their instagram accounts. It’s right out there for everyone to see. You can tell a ton about what guys are like from their social media accounts.

lol at asking for receipts about an opinion. Cringe. I'm not naive enough to believe all the pre-draft accolades and glowing recommendations thrown around about these guys nor do I necessarily buy all the negative talk. These are barely adult men and they deserve some leeway. These programs do not want to be seen as hurting player's draft stock because it could harm recruiting efforts down the road. I know someone, a "sauce", an alumni, who talks to buddies in the FSU program and he said don't believe the positive talk about Barnes. He said he is not receptive to coaching, sulked and was a distraction when he lost his starting job, didn't work hard especially on his shot and thought he was too good and talented for it all. This same source told me last year that Patrick Williams was the exact opposite. He accepted coming off the bench despite being the most talented, worked the hardest, and was a vocal and culture setting type of leader. Now, I didn't think Williams should have gone that high, but when you hear stuff like that, it's not surprising to me that someone would fall in love with him and take him high. Now, you never know if these rumors are true. But when you dig into it and see that Barnes DID lose his starting job, that his minutes went down, that his shooting (62% FT, 28% from three) was terrible, that it gives credence to the rumors. When you're as talented as Barnes clearly is, those are unacceptable numbers and don't happen unless you aren't working on your game. Despite this, I still would take Barnes in the top 5 because he's too ridiculously talented and worth the risk. Just like I'd still take Cade top 3 despite me worried about his leadership and "too cool for school" demeanor. I think people need to keep these things in mind when certain guys seemingly rise or drop during the draft. Many of these teams are privy to first hand accounts of these player's behaviors, leadership, treatment of coaches and teammates, etc that most of us will never hear. I really don't think this will happen, but if Barnes falls, this might be why

[clyde21]

you have a habit of just saying random things hoping they stick huh?

bring receipts that Cade is a bad leader or gtfo

I don’t need receipts, just follow their instagram accounts. It’s right out there for everyone to see. You can tell a ton about what guys are like from their social media accounts.

lol at asking for receipts about an opinion. Cringe. I'm not naive enough to believe all the pre-draft accolades and glowing recommendations thrown around about these guys nor do I necessarily buy all the negative talk. These are barely adult men and they deserve some leeway. These programs do not want to be seen as hurting player's draft stock because it could harm recruiting efforts down the road. I know someone, a "sauce", an alumni, who talks to buddies in the FSU program and he said don't believe the positive talk about Barnes. He said he is not receptive to coaching, sulked and was a distraction when he lost his starting job, didn't work hard especially on his shot and thought he was too good and talented for it all. This same source told me last year that Patrick Williams was the exact opposite. He accepted coming off the bench despite being the most talented, worked the hardest, and was a vocal and culture setting type of leader. Now, I didn't think Williams should have gone that high, but when you hear stuff like that, it's not surprising to me that someone would fall in love with him and take him high. Now, you never know if these rumors are true. But when you dig into it and see that Barnes DID lose his starting job, that his minutes went down, that his shooting (62% FT, 28% from three) was terrible, that it gives credence to the rumors. When you're as talented as Barnes clearly is, those are unacceptable numbers and don't happen unless you aren't working on your game. Despite this, I still would take Barnes in the top 5 because he's too ridiculously talented and worth the risk. Just like I'd still take Cade top 3 despite me worried about his leadership and "too cool for school" demeanor. I think people need to keep these things in mind when certain guys seemingly rise or drop during the draft. Many of these teams are privy to first hand accounts of these player's behaviors, leadership, treatment of coaches and teammates, etc that most of us will never hear. I really don't think this will happen, but if Barnes falls, this might be why

opinion has to be something on something in reality...when he says things like "Cade cares more about his brand than his teammates"...yes, he needs to bring receipts...otherwise its just **** talk and not a real substance based opinion.

[Big J]

I don’t need receipts, just follow their instagram accounts. It’s right out there for everyone to see. You can tell a ton about what guys are like from their social media accounts.

lol at asking for receipts about an opinion. Cringe. I'm not naive enough to believe all the pre-draft accolades and glowing recommendations thrown around about these guys nor do I necessarily buy all the negative talk. These are barely adult men and they deserve some leeway. These programs do not want to be seen as hurting player's draft stock because it could harm recruiting efforts down the road. I know someone, a "sauce", an alumni, who talks to buddies in the FSU program and he said don't believe the positive talk about Barnes. He said he is not receptive to coaching, sulked and was a distraction when he lost his starting job, didn't work hard especially on his shot and thought he was too good and talented for it all. This same source told me last year that Patrick Williams was the exact opposite. He accepted coming off the bench despite being the most talented, worked the hardest, and was a vocal and culture setting type of leader. Now, I didn't think Williams should have gone that high, but when you hear stuff like that, it's not surprising to me that someone would fall in love with him and take him high. Now, you never know if these rumors are true. But when you dig into it and see that Barnes DID lose his starting job, that his minutes went down, that his shooting (62% FT, 28% from three) was terrible, that it gives credence to the rumors. When you're as talented as Barnes clearly is, those are unacceptable numbers and don't happen unless you aren't working on your game. Despite this, I still would take Barnes in the top 5 because he's too ridiculously talented and worth the risk. Just like I'd still take Cade top 3 despite me worried about his leadership and "too cool for school" demeanor. I think people need to keep these things in mind when certain guys seemingly rise or drop during the draft. Many of these teams are privy to first hand accounts of these player's behaviors, leadership, treatment of coaches and teammates, etc that most of us will never hear. I really don't think this will happen, but if Barnes falls, this might be why

opinion has to be something on something in reality...when he says things like "Cade cares more about his brand than his teammates"...yes, he needs to bring receipts...otherwise its just **** talk and not a real substance based opinion.

When was the last time a staff member actually put their name to negative criticism of a player on their team? These players have faults, and they are easily seen, but no near them is actually going to come out and say it. The last time I remember it happening was when Coach K called Ja Okafor immature.

[babyjax13]

Underrated (no particular order):
1. Ayo Dosunmu
2. Roko Prkacin
3. Herb Jones
4. Jericho Simms
5. Vrenz Bleijenbergh
EDIT: I want to retroactively add Quintin Grimes, as well, I suppose probably over Simms or Vrenz, but I'm going to just take a sixth slot for the lulz.

Overrated (no particular order):
1. Kai Jones
2. JT Thor
3. Tre Mann
4. Isaiah Jackson
5. Charles Bassey

Inevitably, some on both sides will bite me.

[babyjax13]

Overrated:
- Jonathan Kuminga - Until I see him do something at an elite level, he's in the same camp as Jeff Green to me.
- Franz Wagner - I liked him as a pick in the 20s, but his mediocre athleticism and limited creation will limit him at the wing in the NBA. Maybe he's a glue guy, not sure.
- Ziaire Williams - It's going to be a while before you can put him on an NBA floor. KZ Okpala hasn't shown up in his first 2 seasons, and he's better built than Ziaire.

Underrated
- Jalen Johnson could be Ben Simmons with some shooting/scoring.
- Roko Prkacin could be brawny Hayward. He's at least the Rui Hachimura of this draft.
- Vrenz Bleighenberg has the best combination of length, mobility and passing I've seen since Kirilenko, and he's developing 30-ft range.
- Ayo Dosunmu is better than Shake Milton and could develop into something close to Jrue Holiday.
- Benedict Mathurin should have received a 1st-round guarantee in this draft.

haven't seen many folks be high on this kid. but i like him as well

i think babyjax is pretty high on him, lotto range

I think he is going to be one of the 15 best players from this draft fairly easily, I don't think he will be drafted lottery, even though I had him at 8 at one point.

[amcoolio]

Underrated (no particular order):
1. Ayo Dosunmu
2. Roko Prkacin
3. Herb Jones
4. Jericho Simms
5. Vrenz Bleijenbergh

Overrated (no particular order):
1. Kai Jones
2. JT Thor
3. Tre Mann
4. Isaiah Jackson
5. Charles Bassey

Inevitably, some on both sides will bite me.

I'd rather have Sims in the 2nd round than Kai in the lottery

[God Squad]

Cade is not a leader man, he has absolutely zero charisma. He seems like he cares more about his brand and his stats than he does about his teammates.

I mean everybody around him says that he is an outstanding leader and it’s one of his actual strengths. So you’re simply not basing your opinion in reality, unless you think his teammates and coaches and scouts who have been around him for years are just making it up?

In any event, how have you concluded that Green is a leader?

Cmon man, of course everyone is going to say nice things about the guy when they are asked.

Green is a natural leader. He’s full of charisma, connects with his teammates, and is beloved by his coaches. He’s got a Curry esque likability factor about him.

You're too emotionally invested "Against" Cade IMO. I'm not saying he's a star, and I'm not saying he's a bust. But there's a difference in not knowing and you projecting that he has no charisma, lacks leadership and isn't loved by his coaches.

Alright, Now I think everyone who loves Green (myself included) needs to ask what else does he bring to the table other than scoring?(if that translates the way we assume). As of now he's a bad passer, a bad defender and his shot selection is kinda iffy regardless of the polish he shows. The point is all of the top 4 have their warts but it seems the super Green fans ignore his, while pointing out the other fours.

[God Squad]

lol at asking for receipts about an opinion. Cringe. I'm not naive enough to believe all the pre-draft accolades and glowing recommendations thrown around about these guys nor do I necessarily buy all the negative talk. These are barely adult men and they deserve some leeway. These programs do not want to be seen as hurting player's draft stock because it could harm recruiting efforts down the road. I know someone, a "sauce", an alumni, who talks to buddies in the FSU program and he said don't believe the positive talk about Barnes. He said he is not receptive to coaching, sulked and was a distraction when he lost his starting job, didn't work hard especially on his shot and thought he was too good and talented for it all. This same source told me last year that Patrick Williams was the exact opposite. He accepted coming off the bench despite being the most talented, worked the hardest, and was a vocal and culture setting type of leader. Now, I didn't think Williams should have gone that high, but when you hear stuff like that, it's not surprising to me that someone would fall in love with him and take him high. Now, you never know if these rumors are true. But when you dig into it and see that Barnes DID lose his starting job, that his minutes went down, that his shooting (62% FT, 28% from three) was terrible, that it gives credence to the rumors. When you're as talented as Barnes clearly is, those are unacceptable numbers and don't happen unless you aren't working on your game. Despite this, I still would take Barnes in the top 5 because he's too ridiculously talented and worth the risk. Just like I'd still take Cade top 3 despite me worried about his leadership and "too cool for school" demeanor. I think people need to keep these things in mind when certain guys seemingly rise or drop during the draft. Many of these teams are privy to first hand accounts of these player's behaviors, leadership, treatment of coaches and teammates, etc that most of us will never hear. I really don't think this will happen, but if Barnes falls, this might be why

opinion has to be something on something in reality...when he says things like "Cade cares more about his brand than his teammates"...yes, he needs to bring receipts...otherwise its just **** talk and not a real substance based opinion.

When was the last time a staff member actually put their name to negative criticism of a player on their team? These players have faults, and they are easily seen, but no near them is actually going to come out and say it. The last time I remember it happening was when Coach K called Ja Okafor immature.

Not a coach but scouts were damn near screaming about Ben Simmons lack of jump shot , attitude and competitiveness and leadership.

Any conversation about weaknesses starts with his jumper. He showed little confidence in his shooting ability, and opponents took notice. Defenders would eventually begin to sag in an attempt to take away the drive and bait him into pulling up. Simmons would often pass on open jumpers to either give up the ball or force a drive.

Mechanically, he shoots on the way down and will no doubt have adjustments to make to his form. Executives must decide whether he'll improve, and if not, how it will affect or bring down his NBA value.

Defensively, his effort was visibly poor at certain times throughout the year. He didn't contest inside shots he could have. A below-average 7'0 ¼" wingspan (for his size) doesn't help his cause.

A disaster finish to the year also raised some concerns over his competitiveness. During losses, particularly LSU's last one of the season (lost by 33 to Texas A&M), Simmons looked disinterested and indifferent, which may turn off general managers who value intensity and killer instinct.

A lot of this still holds true today. Although he's turned into an elite defensive player to his credit. But everything was scouted and their pre draft. But he was still considered the number one prospect. I've read nothing on Cade that would suggest serious red flags about his demeanor.

[Hal14]

Underrated:

1) Santi Aldama
2) DJ Carton
3) Miles McBride
4) Roko Prkacin
5) Herb Jones
6) Wieskamp
7) Moses Wright
8) Makur maker

Overrated
1) Kuminga
2) Barnes
3) Kispert
4) Keon Johnson
5) Kai Jones
6) Isaiah Jackson

[Monix]

overrated
Cade Cunningham
Keon Johnson
D.Mitchell
T.Mann
J.Giddey

underrated
M.McBride
J.Huff
S.Cooper
F.Wagner

[Coeur]

Under:Mobley, Jalen Ohnson, Springer, Bones Hyland, vrenz B, Todd, wieskamp

Over: f Wagner, Moses Moody

[stormi]

Under:

Tre Mann
Deuce McBride
Isaiah Todd
Jared Butler
Sharife Cooper

Over:

James Bouknight
Davion Mitchell
Jalen Suggs
Kai Jones
Jonathan Kuminga

[babyjax13]

Underrated (no particular order):
1. Ayo Dosunmu
2. Roko Prkacin
3. Herb Jones
4. Jericho Simms
5. Vrenz Bleijenbergh

Overrated (no particular order):
1. Kai Jones
2. JT Thor
3. Tre Mann
4. Isaiah Jackson
5. Charles Bassey

Inevitably, some on both sides will bite me.

I'd rather have Sims in the 2nd round than Kai in the lottery

I might be moving too far in both directions on Kai (down) and Simms (up), but I feel like I'd rather have Simms, period.

[Charm]

Not a big fan of any of the Texas guys tbh. What does it say about you if you have these incredible athletic gifts but get shut down by Abilene Christian?

[babyjax13]

Not a big fan of any of the Texas guys tbh. What does it say about you if you have these incredible athletic gifts but get shut down by Abilene Christian?

It does not reflect well on Shaka Smart. I'm not a huge fan, either. Kai Jones and Greg Brown are both incredibly raw, and I think Simms is going to be an energy guy off the bench that can help swing some momentum in games, but he's not some can't-miss prospect, either. His upside is maybe what Nic Claxton is right now?

[Charm]

Not a big fan of any of the Texas guys tbh. What does it say about you if you have these incredible athletic gifts but get shut down by Abilene Christian?

It does not reflect well on Shaka Smart. I'm not a huge fan, either. Kai Jones and Greg Brown are both incredibly raw, and I think Simms is going to be an energy guy off the bench that can help swing some momentum in games, but he's not some can't-miss prospect, either. His upside is maybe what Nic Claxton is right now?

Definitely an easier fit than Kai or Brown because he's just obviously a center on both ends of the court. Rebound, dunk, block, rinse, repeat. Claxton in contrast has some sneaky ballhandling upside if he's given more of a leash...I don't see that in Sims. But that's fine if you just need an energy guy.

[babyjax13]

Not a big fan of any of the Texas guys tbh. What does it say about you if you have these incredible athletic gifts but get shut down by Abilene Christian?

It does not reflect well on Shaka Smart. I'm not a huge fan, either. Kai Jones and Greg Brown are both incredibly raw, and I think Simms is going to be an energy guy off the bench that can help swing some momentum in games, but he's not some can't-miss prospect, either. His upside is maybe what Nic Claxton is right now?

Definitely an easier fit than Kai or Brown because he's just obviously a center on both ends of the court. Rebound, dunk, block, rinse, repeat. Claxton in contrast has some sneaky ballhandling upside if he's given more of a leash...I don't see that in Sims. But that's fine if you just need an energy guy.

Simms actually has some ball-handling skills, but even if they don't translate he is a silly athlete.

Watch on YouTube

[Charm]

It does not reflect well on Shaka Smart. I'm not a huge fan, either. Kai Jones and Greg Brown are both incredibly raw, and I think Simms is going to be an energy guy off the bench that can help swing some momentum in games, but he's not some can't-miss prospect, either. His upside is maybe what Nic Claxton is right now?

Definitely an easier fit than Kai or Brown because he's just obviously a center on both ends of the court. Rebound, dunk, block, rinse, repeat. Claxton in contrast has some sneaky ballhandling upside if he's given more of a leash...I don't see that in Sims. But that's fine if you just need an energy guy.

Simms actually has some ball-handling skills, but even if they don't translate he is a silly athlete.

Watch on YouTube

If not for Barnes I’d say he was the clear best athlete at the combine. Will be elite even by NBA standards there.

[clyde21]

Definitely an easier fit than Kai or Brown because he's just obviously a center on both ends of the court. Rebound, dunk, block, rinse, repeat. Claxton in contrast has some sneaky ballhandling upside if he's given more of a leash...I don't see that in Sims. But that's fine if you just need an energy guy.

Simms actually has some ball-handling skills, but even if they don't translate he is a silly athlete.

Watch on YouTube

If not for Barnes I’d say he was the clear best athlete at the combine. Will be elite even by NBA standards there.

Sims, Barnes, Keon, Lewis, Wieskamp

all lit the combine up

its finna be interesting to see where the Texas guys go...Brown, Kai, Sims...honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sims is the first one off the board.