Shaedon Sharpe - Kentucky

[ItsDanger]

From what I heard, he'll be in Kentucky in 22/23. Money can change things. But that was the original plan. We'll see.

[Duke4life831]

From what I heard, he'll be in Kentucky in 22/23. Money can change things. But that was the original plan. We'll see.

Ya that's the plan they sell to people. Again this is clearly a mutual agreement between both sides. Especially since Sharpe decided to reclassify so late in the year.

Sharpe's positives:
He gets to collect NIL money
Gets to practice against legit talent
Gets to workout at a top tier training facility everyday
Gets to keep his name in the media

From UK's (Cal's) perspective:
UK's recruiting class ranking went up
Cal gets to say he landed the #1 recruit
Cal gets to add Sharpe to the # of UK players that went top 5-10 in the draft

That stuff might seem kind of pointless, but recruiting is a big time momentum game. All of that stuff plays well with the top tier elite recruits.

[ItsDanger]

From what I heard, he'll be in Kentucky in 22/23. Money can change things. But that was the original plan. We'll see.

Ya that's the plan they sell to people. Again this is clearly a mutual agreement between both sides. Especially since Sharpe decided to reclassify so late in the year.

Sharpe's positives:
He gets to collect NIL money
Gets to practice against legit talent
Gets to workout at a top tier training facility everyday
Gets to keep his name in the media

From UK's (Cal's) perspective:
UK's recruiting class ranking went up
Cal gets to say he landed the #1 recruit
Cal gets to add Sharpe to the # of UK players that went top 5-10 in the draft

That stuff might seem kind of pointless, but recruiting is a big time momentum game. All of that stuff plays well with the top tier elite recruits.

I know (2nd hand info) that Shaedon has a longer term viewpoint on this (he wants to enter NBA prepared). I would bet SGA has insight into his plans. But again, things change over time and agents in your ear constantly can impact someone a lot.

[Duke4life831]

From what I heard, he'll be in Kentucky in 22/23. Money can change things. But that was the original plan. We'll see.

Ya that's the plan they sell to people. Again this is clearly a mutual agreement between both sides. Especially since Sharpe decided to reclassify so late in the year.

Sharpe's positives:
He gets to collect NIL money
Gets to practice against legit talent
Gets to workout at a top tier training facility everyday
Gets to keep his name in the media

From UK's (Cal's) perspective:
UK's recruiting class ranking went up
Cal gets to say he landed the #1 recruit
Cal gets to add Sharpe to the # of UK players that went top 5-10 in the draft

That stuff might seem kind of pointless, but recruiting is a big time momentum game. All of that stuff plays well with the top tier elite recruits.

I know (2nd hand info) that Shaedon has a longer term viewpoint on this (he wants to enter NBA prepared). I would bet SGA has insight into his plans. But again, things change over time and agents in your ear constantly can impact someone a lot.

I dont know, if Im looking at it from a long term perspective. Say 4 years from now, what would put him in a better situation.

Starting his final year on rookie deal and 1 year away from his 2nd deal with 3 years of NBA experience and no college experience.
or
Two years away from his 2nd deal and 2 years of NBA experience and 1 year of college experience.

Like I get the thought process if he is in threat of being a mid to late 1st round pick where there is a solid chance of him not coming in ready and not being able to get minutes and getting lost in the rotation from there on out. But Sharpe really isnt in threat of that happening to him. Physically he isnt behind other guards that we have seen come out recently (say a Jalen Green). He is going to be a top 5 pick while coming off being one of the highest ranked recruits. So that pretty much means who ever drafts him is just going to give him minutes no matter what, even if he struggles.

[Ell Curry]

Unfortunately for him he may have just been sealed into the book of life as Sacramento King with them trading their 2 guard for a center and currently picking 6th.

[CptCrunch]

Unfortunately for him he may have just been sealed into the book of life as Sacramento King with them trading their 2 guard for a center and currently picking 6th.

Keeping Fox/Davion over Haliburton is mega bone headed. If they draft Sharpe because they want to upgrade Fox/Davion, that is doubly bone headed. Sounds exactly like a Kangs move.

The top of the draft isn't too friendly for point guards to be honest.

1/ Pistons: Cade/Hayes - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
2/ Magic: Anthony/Suggs - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
3/ Rockets: KPJ - best fit by far, but I don't think Rockets are going with Sharpe over Ivey, could happen if they don't like the leftover of Chet/Paolo/Jabari
4/ Thunder: Shai/Giddey - mega bad fit, Shai is a franchise level PG.
5/ Pacers: Haliburton - decent fit, could happen. But kinda unlucky if Pacers trade their low tier franchise player in Domantas for a star young PG in Haliburton then proceeds to draft another one.
6/ Spurs: Murray/Tre - probably the dream org and landing spot.
7/ Kings: Fox/Davion - totally could happen
8/ Blazers: We don't know who is on the the Blazers roster - Probably the floor for Sharpe if he declares.

[Liqourish]

Unfortunately for him he may have just been sealed into the book of life as Sacramento King with them trading their 2 guard for a center and currently picking 6th.

Keeping Fox/Davion over Haliburton is mega bone headed. If they draft Sharpe because they want to upgrade Fox/Davion, that is doubly bone headed. Sounds exactly like a Kangs move.

The top of the draft isn't too friendly for point guards to be honest.

1/ Pistons: Cade/Hayes - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
2/ Magic: Anthony/Suggs - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
3/ Rockets: KPJ - best fit by far, but I don't think Rockets are going with Sharpe over Ivey, could happen if they don't like the leftover of Chet/Paolo/Jabari
4/ Thunder: Shai/Giddey - mega bad fit, Shai is a franchise level PG.
5/ Pacers: Haliburton - decent fit, could happen. But kinda unlucky if Pacers trade their low tier franchise player in Domantas for a star young PG in Haliburton then proceeds to draft another one.
6/ Spurs: Murray/Tre - probably the dream org and landing spot.
7/ Kings: Fox/Davion - totally could happen
8/ Blazers: We don't know who is on the the Blazers roster - Probably the floor for Sharpe if he declares.

Sharpe seems to me to be more of a SG than a PG. Also, Pistons won't draft based on Killian Hayes. They have Cade at PG and Saddiq Bey at SF. They can go many directions with their draft pick. But Hayes will not hinder the Pistons drafting a guard.

[aad]

Unfortunately for him he may have just been sealed into the book of life as Sacramento King with them trading their 2 guard for a center and currently picking 6th.

Keeping Fox/Davion over Haliburton is mega bone headed. If they draft Sharpe because they want to upgrade Fox/Davion, that is doubly bone headed. Sounds exactly like a Kangs move.

The top of the draft isn't too friendly for point guards to be honest.

1/ Pistons: Cade/Hayes - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
2/ Magic: Anthony/Suggs - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
3/ Rockets: KPJ - best fit by far, but I don't think Rockets are going with Sharpe over Ivey, could happen if they don't like the leftover of Chet/Paolo/Jabari
4/ Thunder: Shai/Giddey - mega bad fit, Shai is a franchise level PG.
5/ Pacers: Haliburton - decent fit, could happen. But kinda unlucky if Pacers trade their low tier franchise player in Domantas for a star young PG in Haliburton then proceeds to draft another one.
6/ Spurs: Murray/Tre - probably the dream org and landing spot.
7/ Kings: Fox/Davion - totally could happen
8/ Blazers: We don't know who is on the the Blazers roster - Probably the floor for Sharpe if he declares.

Sharpe seems to me to be more of a SG than a PG. Also, Pistons won't draft based on Killian Hayes. They have Cade at PG and Saddiq Bey at SF. They can go many directions with their draft pick. But Hayes will not hinder the Pistons drafting a guard.

Yeah Hayes will be the backup pg

[MemphisX]

Keeping Fox/Davion over Haliburton is mega bone headed. If they draft Sharpe because they want to upgrade Fox/Davion, that is doubly bone headed. Sounds exactly like a Kangs move.

The top of the draft isn't too friendly for point guards to be honest.

1/ Pistons: Cade/Hayes - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
2/ Magic: Anthony/Suggs - too high for Sharpe, will draft one of the 3 PFs
3/ Rockets: KPJ - best fit by far, but I don't think Rockets are going with Sharpe over Ivey, could happen if they don't like the leftover of Chet/Paolo/Jabari
4/ Thunder: Shai/Giddey - mega bad fit, Shai is a franchise level PG.
5/ Pacers: Haliburton - decent fit, could happen. But kinda unlucky if Pacers trade their low tier franchise player in Domantas for a star young PG in Haliburton then proceeds to draft another one.
6/ Spurs: Murray/Tre - probably the dream org and landing spot.
7/ Kings: Fox/Davion - totally could happen
8/ Blazers: We don't know who is on the the Blazers roster - Probably the floor for Sharpe if he declares.

Sharpe seems to me to be more of a SG than a PG. Also, Pistons won't draft based on Killian Hayes. They have Cade at PG and Saddiq Bey at SF. They can go many directions with their draft pick. But Hayes will not hinder the Pistons drafting a guard.

Yeah Hayes will be the backup pg

Hayes will be in the G League or back in Europe soon.

[Coeur]

From what I heard, he'll be in Kentucky in 22/23. Money can change things. But that was the original plan. We'll see.

Ya that's the plan they sell to people. Again this is clearly a mutual agreement between both sides. Especially since Sharpe decided to reclassify so late in the year.

Sharpe's positives:
He gets to collect NIL money
Gets to practice against legit talent
Gets to workout at a top tier training facility everyday
Gets to keep his name in the media

From UK's (Cal's) perspective:
UK's recruiting class ranking went up
Cal gets to say he landed the #1 recruit
Cal gets to add Sharpe to the # of UK players that went top 5-10 in the draft

That stuff might seem kind of pointless, but recruiting is a big time momentum game. All of that stuff plays well with the top tier elite recruits.

I know (2nd hand info) that Shaedon has a longer term viewpoint on this (he wants to enter NBA prepared). I would bet SGA has insight into his plans. But again, things change over time and agents in your ear constantly can impact someone a lot.

Especially things like SGA and sharpe realizing this years draft lines up perfectly for them to play together


Is there a more perfect offensive 3 player backcourt possible combo in SGA•Sharpe•Giddey ?

Okc at 4 or 5 ? Sharpe or Ivey?

[The Moose]

Sharpe reminds me of Hamidou Diallo athletically. The obvious difference is Hami can't shoot from anywhere on the court, where as Sharpe could potentially develop into an elite shooter.
Can't see him slipping out of the top 5 tbh

[Adrian Street]

Sharpe reminds me of Hamidou Diallo athletically. The obvious difference is Hami can't shoot from anywhere on the court, where as Sharpe could potentially develop into an elite shooter.
Can't see him slipping out of the top 5 tbh

Indy has the 5th worst record right now and if he is on the board when the Pacers pick I would not be happy if they passed on him, assuming none of the projected top 4 players drop.

[Hal14]

Sharpe reminds me of Hamidou Diallo athletically. The obvious difference is Hami can't shoot from anywhere on the court, where as Sharpe could potentially develop into an elite shooter.
Can't see him slipping out of the top 5 tbh

Indy has the 5th worst record right now and if he is on the board when the Pacers pick I would not be happy if they passed on him, assuming none of the projected top 4 players drop.

You don't see any risk in taking a guy that high who's only played against high schoolers? A guy who is sitting out the entire season before getting drafted?

A guy who not only has only played against HS competition and when he has played against those high schoolers, some of his performance that's available in full games on youtube is meh...and it's hard to get any accurate stats from his high school career, etc..

The following players were seen as top 10 picks coming out of high school but then their stock plummeted once they played in the g-league or college. Now, there's a good chance that none of them will be lottery picks: Caleb Houstan, Peyton Watson, Patrick Baldwin Jr, Jaden Hardy, BJ Boston. Then there's Emoni Bates - was seen as a top 10 pick for 2023 draft coming out of HS, but flopped at Memphis and now likely out of lottery for 2023. How do we know that the same thing wouldn't have happened to Sharpe if he had played this season at Kentucky?

[SeattleJazzFan]

Sharpe reminds me of Hamidou Diallo athletically. The obvious difference is Hami can't shoot from anywhere on the court, where as Sharpe could potentially develop into an elite shooter.
Can't see him slipping out of the top 5 tbh

Indy has the 5th worst record right now and if he is on the board when the Pacers pick I would not be happy if they passed on him, assuming none of the projected top 4 players drop.

You don't see any risk in taking a guy that high who's only played against high schoolers? A guy who is sitting out the entire season before getting drafted?

A guy who not only has only played against HS competition and when he has played against those high schoolers, some of his performance that's available in full games on youtube is meh...and it's hard to get any accurate stats from his high school career, etc..

this is my question on sharpe as well. he has a nice looking stroke. he's obviously a top tier athlete, but did he dominate in HS? Most of the highlight videos i've seen tend to show him scoring maybe 12-15 point in entire games. now, maybe they aren't showing every bucket, but generally they do show every bucket in those. what were his point, reb, assist averages? does anybody know? can this guy produce at an elite level against HS kids over the course of an entire season?

don't get me wrong, i'm very high on him, but i would like to know to what extent did he dominate in HS.

[Hal14]

Indy has the 5th worst record right now and if he is on the board when the Pacers pick I would not be happy if they passed on him, assuming none of the projected top 4 players drop.

You don't see any risk in taking a guy that high who's only played against high schoolers? A guy who is sitting out the entire season before getting drafted?

A guy who not only has only played against HS competition and when he has played against those high schoolers, some of his performance that's available in full games on youtube is meh...and it's hard to get any accurate stats from his high school career, etc..

this is my question on sharpe as well. he has a nice looking stroke. he's obviously a top tier athlete, but did he dominate in HS? Most of the highlight videos i've seen tend to show him scoring maybe 12-15 point in entire games. now, maybe they aren't showing every bucket, but generally they do show every bucket in those. what were his point, reb, assist averages? does anybody know? can this guy produce at an elite level against HS kids over the course of an entire season?

don't get me wrong, i'm very high on him, but i would like to know to what extent did he dominate in HS.

Full game from last season vs Nolan Hickman's team:

Watch on YouTube

I know it's just 1 game, but does anyone else watch this and see a lack of desire/hustle/effort/intensity/motor? Just seems to be coasting, going through the motions. Some really nice plays but also some mistakes too..

To take a guy who's essentially going from HS to the pros in the top 5, I feel like I would need to see more..

[SeattleJazzFan]

You don't see any risk in taking a guy that high who's only played against high schoolers? A guy who is sitting out the entire season before getting drafted?

A guy who not only has only played against HS competition and when he has played against those high schoolers, some of his performance that's available in full games on youtube is meh...and it's hard to get any accurate stats from his high school career, etc..

this is my question on sharpe as well. he has a nice looking stroke. he's obviously a top tier athlete, but did he dominate in HS? Most of the highlight videos i've seen tend to show him scoring maybe 12-15 point in entire games. now, maybe they aren't showing every bucket, but generally they do show every bucket in those. what were his point, reb, assist averages? does anybody know? can this guy produce at an elite level against HS kids over the course of an entire season?

don't get me wrong, i'm very high on him, but i would like to know to what extent did he dominate in HS.

Full game from last season vs Nolan Hickman's team:

Watch on YouTube

I know it's just 1 game, but does anyone else watch this and see a lack of desire/hustle/effort/intensity/motor? Just seems to be coasting, going through the motions. Some really nice plays but also some mistakes too..

To take a guy who's essentially going from HS to the pros in the top 5, I feel like I would need to see more..

thanks for posting. i will check that out when i have a chance. i'm very familiar with wasatch academy - they are a good measuring stick. very good team and a good test, but not IMG/Montverde level.

[Hal14]

Ok, so let me get this straight.

Sharpe is not injured. He's completely healthy. He's eligible to play.

He's been with the team for well over 2 months now. He practices with the team and he suits up for games, sits there on the bench every game, with his warmups on.

And supposedly, he was the no. 1 ranked HS player in the country when he left HS.

Yet, he hasn't played in 1 game yet. And Calipari is on record saying he's not going to play at all this season.

Why the hell not? Can someone help me out here?

Has this every happened before? A player who's this good, is eligible to play, and is 100% healthy, yet he sits out the whole season?

Kentucky is a title contender. If Sharpe is THIS good (according to Calipari, he's good enough to be the no. 1 pick in the draft) then Sharpe could definitely put Kentucky over the top to win the title.

Is he sitting out because he is afraid it'll hurt his draft stock? Well, it's just as likely that playing could raise his draft stick, yes? Right now, ESPN has him ranked 7th and the latest Tankathon mock has him going 6th. So if he plays, he could slide to late lottery or fall out of the lottery. But he could also raise his stick and go in the top 3 picks or even no. 1. Afterall, Holmgren sits at no. 1 right now in both ESPN rankings and Tankathon's latest mock, but he's by no means a slam dunk no. 1 pick, given the weaker conference he's in, the skinny frame and the lack of moves off the dribble to create his own shot.

Calipari said he's gonna play at Kentucky next season, rather than get drafted in 2022. So if that's the case, him sitting out this season can't really be about being scared his draft stick will drop. If Sharpe was really coming back next season to kentucky, i honestly can't think of a logical reason why he isn't out there playing right now.

[Duke4life831]

Ok, so let me get this straight.

Sharpe is not injured. He's completely healthy. He's eligible to play.

He's been with the team for well over 2 months now. He practices with the team and he suits up for games, sits there on the bench every game, with his warmups on.

And supposedly, he was the no. 1 ranked HS player in the country when he left HS.

Yet, he hasn't played in 1 game yet. And Calipari is on record saying he's not going to play at all this season.

Why the hell not? Can someone help me out here?

Has this every happened before? A player who's this good, is eligible to play, and is 100% healthy, yet he sits out the whole season?

Kentucky is a title contender. If Sharpe is THIS good (according to Calipari, he's good enough to be the no. 1 pick in the draft) then Sharpe could definitely put Kentucky over the top to win the title.

Is he sitting out because he is afraid it'll hurt his draft stock? Well, it's just as likely that playing could raise his draft stick, yes? Right now, ESPN has him ranked 7th and the latest Tankathon mock has him going 6th. So if he plays, he could slide to late lottery or fall out of the lottery. But he could also raise his stick and go in the top 3 picks or even no. 1. Afterall, Holmgren sits at no. 1 right now in both ESPN rankings and Tankathon's latest mock, but he's by no means a slam dunk no. 1 pick, given the weaker conference he's in, the skinny frame and the lack of moves off the dribble to create his own shot.

Calipari said he's gonna play at Kentucky next season, rather than get drafted in 2022. So if that's the case, him sitting out this season can't really be about being scared his draft stick will drop. If Sharpe was really coming back next season to kentucky, i honestly can't think of a logical reason why he isn't out there playing right now.

Sharpe is there to collect "NIL" payments as he workouts leading up to the draft. While Cal gets to go out one the recruiting trail bragging how he landed the #1 recruit. That's basically it.

More negatives than positives can happen for Sharpe at this moment if he started to play right now. No bad opponents to warm up to play against and playing against teams who are in tournament mode so the level of intensity and defense will be at an all time high. So say Sharpe comes in and struggles, so he shoots 35% from the floor and 20% from 3. And those numbers wouldnt be all that shocking for this situation. That wont help him out. He can come out and get an injury, that wouldnt help. And any positives that would come from playing, he could pretty much match that just from having good workouts.

And your right, if he was coming back next season for sure, then yes there is no legit reason on why he isnt at least getting 10 minutes off the bench right now. Because if he was coming back next year, him struggling right now wouldnt have any effect on his draft stock from a year from now.

I think the situation is pretty obvious. Sharpe decided to reclassify pretty late in the year, too late to play the 1st half of college and missed the G League. So his option was basically just workout privately until the draft, or go this route. Im sure his "school work" is as basic as possible and barely takes up anytime if any at all. But he gets to workout at a top tier training facility, will collect some solid spending money from NIL. And again for Cal, he gets to tout how he landed the #1 recruit and a bunch of recruiting is momentum.

[CptCrunch]

Indy has the 5th worst record right now and if he is on the board when the Pacers pick I would not be happy if they passed on him, assuming none of the projected top 4 players drop.

You don't see any risk in taking a guy that high who's only played against high schoolers? A guy who is sitting out the entire season before getting drafted?

A guy who not only has only played against HS competition and when he has played against those high schoolers, some of his performance that's available in full games on youtube is meh...and it's hard to get any accurate stats from his high school career, etc..

this is my question on sharpe as well. he has a nice looking stroke. he's obviously a top tier athlete, but did he dominate in HS? Most of the highlight videos i've seen tend to show him scoring maybe 12-15 point in entire games. now, maybe they aren't showing every bucket, but generally they do show every bucket in those. what were his point, reb, assist averages? does anybody know? can this guy produce at an elite level against HS kids over the course of an entire season?

don't get me wrong, i'm very high on him, but i would like to know to what extent did he dominate in HS.

Sharpe rose because of his 12 games in Nike EYBL. He was a rapid riser. He was unranked his junior year, his high school tapes probably don't exist aside from some games his senior year.

[SeattleJazzFan]

You don't see any risk in taking a guy that high who's only played against high schoolers? A guy who is sitting out the entire season before getting drafted?

A guy who not only has only played against HS competition and when he has played against those high schoolers, some of his performance that's available in full games on youtube is meh...and it's hard to get any accurate stats from his high school career, etc..

this is my question on sharpe as well. he has a nice looking stroke. he's obviously a top tier athlete, but did he dominate in HS? Most of the highlight videos i've seen tend to show him scoring maybe 12-15 point in entire games. now, maybe they aren't showing every bucket, but generally they do show every bucket in those. what were his point, reb, assist averages? does anybody know? can this guy produce at an elite level against HS kids over the course of an entire season?

don't get me wrong, i'm very high on him, but i would like to know to what extent did he dominate in HS.

Sharpe rose because of his 12 games in Nike EYBL. He was a rapid riser. He was unranked his junior year, his high school tapes probably don't exist aside from some games his senior year.

this is a concern, imo. sharpe has made almost his entire reputation based on 12 games in the summer, that, while the talent is very good, i'm not convinced in terms of level of resistance (defense) these kids face in those game in comparison to high school regular season games.

i live in utah, Collin Chandler is a utah kid who rose quickly due to playing lights out in the eybl (espn has him currently ranked at #26). He's a good player, but i think perhaps a bit overrated due to making his name in the summer. he struggled to dominate in utah - again, we're talking utah high school basketball - not exactly the mecca of high school hoops. his team lost early in the playoffs and he scored 17 points in the loss. again, very good player - excellent athlete but if you're not able to dominate in utah, i'm not sure you're a legit top 30 player. i have to wonder if playing in the EYBL made him look a lot better than he really is. imo, it should be a concern for anybody drafting sharpe due to his play in the summer over a 12 game sample.