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Re: Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara 

Post#61 » by gambitx777 » Wed May 31, 2023 5:07 pm

He's gonna be a fantastic player but I don't know if he cracks the first round. I've seen him mocked late for see t but most have him top of the second. He reminds me of Johnny Davis. I like him in the back of the draft but I wouldn't like him at 10.

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Post#62 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed May 31, 2023 6:00 pm

if he's going to be a fantastic player, i assume you mean by that at the very least he will be in nba rotations for serveral years, then he should be a first round pick.
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Post#63 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed May 31, 2023 10:12 pm

He's similar to Derrick White as a player, not quite as far along at the time of the draft...but 2.5 years younger so he has a lot more potential. Think he's a better rebounder, has more potential as a shooter, and more potential as a playmaker.
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Post#64 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:30 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:He's similar to Derrick White as a player, not quite as far along at the time of the draft...but 2.5 years younger so he has a lot more potential. Think he's a better rebounder, has more potential as a shooter, and more potential as a playmaker.


I can see some White on offense, but defense is not close IMO.
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Post#65 » by Yallbecrazy » Thu Jun 1, 2023 3:29 am

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Yallbecrazy wrote:He's similar to Derrick White as a player, not quite as far along at the time of the draft...but 2.5 years younger so he has a lot more potential. Think he's a better rebounder, has more potential as a shooter, and more potential as a playmaker.


I can see some White on offense, but defense is not close IMO.



Disagree, I've seen him play defense and he screams early 30s Lowry. Not good laterally, but he's a PG so that's overrated anyway. He's excellent at rotations and swiping the ball due to his bbiq and competitiveness I can see him being a positive defender in the NBA in the right system.
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Post#66 » by 916fan » Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:45 am

He was always a 1st round prospect. I guess everyone is just playing catch-up. As I mentioned in the other page, his game reminds me of Bogdan Bogdanovic. Johnny Davis makes no sense. Davis was not a playmaker at all, and he wasn't as good of a shooter either.
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Post#67 » by Nuntius » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:09 pm

EvanZ wrote:
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EvanZ wrote:Trex arms lol



6'5.5" is trex arms now lol.

I am sure he would be much better with a 6'6.5" wingpan.


I mean 6'6.5" is also t-rex.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Every inch matters"? It's actually true, especially in the NBA. Inches can make all the difference and often do.


But that's not what T-rex arms generally means. The phrase "T-rex arms" is used for players whose wingspan is lower than their listed height. There's a reason why it got named after T-rexes, a dinosaur who despite being quite big had disproportionally small arms.

If your wingspan is bigger than your height then you don't have T-rex arms. Podziemski's wingspan (6'5.5") is bigger than his listed height (6'5) so he doesn't have T-rex arms. It's close and he's definitely not long but it's not quite to that level.
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Post#68 » by EvanZ » Thu Jun 1, 2023 2:08 pm

I mean come on bro lol


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Post#69 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 1, 2023 2:44 pm

Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end. On offense it doesn’t matter much. Tyler Herro is a prime example of TRex arms, I believed he measured at 6’3” for wingspan. Probably why he fell in the draft. That hasn’t affected his ability to get buckets in the NBA at all whatsoever. As long as you are shifty and can create enough separation to get your shot off then you can score in the NBA. He’s already got the confidence and shot making ability so we know he can score.

Podz has some Goran Dragic in his game. He has the tools to carve out a role for himself and I don’t think wingspan will limit him offensively. Defensively I wouldn’t expect much but he can still be taught positioning and how to move his feet but anybody drafting him won’t be drafting him for defensive versatility anyway.

He’s not guaranteed to succeed in the league and none of these guys are but he is talented and worth taking a chance on even if for a backup role, that’s what you are really hoping for at the back end of 1st round and into the 2nd where he’s currently projected.
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Post#70 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 1, 2023 3:03 pm

HEZI wrote:Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end. On offense it doesn’t matter much. Tyler Herro is a prime example of TRex arms, I believed he measured at 6’3” for wingspan. Probably why he fell in the draft. That hasn’t affected his ability to get buckets in the NBA at all whatsoever. As long as you are shifty and can create enough separation to get your shot off then you can score in the NBA. He’s already got the confidence and shot making ability so we know he can score.

Podz has some Goran Dragic in his game. He has the tools to carve out a role for himself and I don’t think wingspan will limit him offensively. Defensively I wouldn’t expect much but he can still be taught positioning and how to move his feet but anybody drafting him won’t be drafting him for defensive versatility anyway.

He’s not guaranteed to succeed in the league and none of these guys are but he is talented and worth taking a chance on even if for a backup role, that’s what you are really hoping for at the back end of 1st round and into the 2nd where he’s currently projected.

The game has changed quite a bit over the past 2 or 3 years though. Goran Dragic doesn't see the floor anymore.

The Celtics couldn't put Payton Pritchard or Sam Hauser on the floor in the playoffs. Guys who are a defensive liability, who are short, don't have a good wingspan, aren't very quick, aren't very athletic, aren't very strong physically, it's tough for them to see the floor in the playoffs.
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Post#71 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:05 pm

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HEZI wrote:Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end. On offense it doesn’t matter much. Tyler Herro is a prime example of TRex arms, I believed he measured at 6’3” for wingspan. Probably why he fell in the draft. That hasn’t affected his ability to get buckets in the NBA at all whatsoever. As long as you are shifty and can create enough separation to get your shot off then you can score in the NBA. He’s already got the confidence and shot making ability so we know he can score.

Podz has some Goran Dragic in his game. He has the tools to carve out a role for himself and I don’t think wingspan will limit him offensively. Defensively I wouldn’t expect much but he can still be taught positioning and how to move his feet but anybody drafting him won’t be drafting him for defensive versatility anyway.

He’s not guaranteed to succeed in the league and none of these guys are but he is talented and worth taking a chance on even if for a backup role, that’s what you are really hoping for at the back end of 1st round and into the 2nd where he’s currently projected.

The game has changed quite a bit over the past 2 or 3 years though. Goran Dragic doesn't see the floor anymore.

The Celtics couldn't put Payton Pritchard or Sam Hauser on the floor in the playoffs. Guys who are a defensive liability, who are short, don't have a good wingspan, aren't very quick, aren't very athletic, aren't very strong physically, it's tough for them to see the floor in the playoffs.


Celtics are the same team that got whooped by the Heat who had tiny Gabe Vincent as a starter and were bringing Duncan “can’t guard a traffic cone” Robinson off the bench. They also are the same team who was starting Tyler “TRex arms” Herro before his injury.

Not being in the Celtics rotation means nothing, they are the same team who cut Max Strus and he went to the Heat and became a starter on a Finals team.

NBA is all about opportunity and Miami is a prime example of it. If you put the right environment around any player and you give them an opportunity then you can create a path for success. Doesn’t happen all the time but nowadays there’s so much talent that it’s hard for some really good players to get those opportunities. The GLeague has a lot of talent but teams can only carry so many players at one time and coaches usually only play 9 or 10 guys anyway
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Post#72 » by EvanZ » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:06 pm

HEZI wrote:Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end.


You had me at "wingspan matters". The end.
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Post#73 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:14 pm

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HEZI wrote:Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end.


You had me at "wingspan matters". The end.


For shot contest and rebounding sure. For scoring and passing not at all. The end
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Post#74 » by EvanZ » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:29 pm

HEZI wrote:
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HEZI wrote:Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end.


You had me at "wingspan matters". The end.


For shot contest and rebounding sure. For scoring and passing not at all. The end


So it matters.
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Post#75 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:33 pm

Wingspan allows a player to compensate for lack of quickness, shot creation, etc. Short wingspan isn't a killer but it can hinder a lot of players at the next level (kind of like reach in combat sports). If you don't believe that, you probably failed physics in high school.
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Post#76 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:42 pm

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You had me at "wingspan matters". The end.


For shot contest and rebounding sure. For scoring and passing not at all. The end


So it matters.


In this context we are talking about a guard, someone who can potentially play the 1 or 2 so how much you are needing your guard, probably a backup guard at that, to shot contest and rebound would determine how much it really matters.
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Post#77 » by EvanZ » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:46 pm

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For shot contest and rebounding sure. For scoring and passing not at all. The end


So it matters.


In this context we are talking about a guard, someone who can potentially play the 1 or 2 so how much you are needing your guard, probably a backup guard at that, to shot contest and rebound would determine how much it really matters.


It always matters. More is always better. That's how this works. Nobody is saying that is completely disqualifies a player to have short wingspan. But it ALWAYS is better to have more of it. It just is. Not sure why people have such a hard time with this basic fact of nature. Basketball is a game of inches. We see this all the time. A guy making a shot a couple inches over the outstretched arms of a defender. A guy getting blocked at the rim because he's just a couple inches short. A wing gets his hand in the passing lane to deflect a ball just a matter of inches.

This is basketball. To pretend like length doesn't matter is insane. Stop it.
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Post#78 » by gambitx777 » Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:09 pm

I don't see any team taking him above 25. I love the kid but he went off at a small school for one year and had a nice combine. The transfer portal and the college land scape is littered with dudes who didn't work out at big school A went off at back water school B for 2 years transfers to big school C as a Jr and regress. He's doing a smart thing byp coming out after a big year but I don't think GMs are gonna jump on him.

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Post#79 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:16 pm

EvanZ wrote:
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So it matters.


In this context we are talking about a guard, someone who can potentially play the 1 or 2 so how much you are needing your guard, probably a backup guard at that, to shot contest and rebound would determine how much it really matters.


It always matters. More is always better. That's how this works. Nobody is saying that is completely disqualifies a player to have short wingspan. But it ALWAYS is better to have more of it. It just is. Not sure why people have such a hard time with this basic fact of nature. Basketball is a game of inches. We see this all the time. A guy making a shot a couple inches over the outstretched arms of a defender. A guy getting blocked at the rim because he's just a couple inches short. A wing gets his hand in the passing lane to deflect a ball just a matter of inches.

This is basketball. To pretend like length doesn't matter is insane. Stop it.


Of course in an ideal world you would want a guy who is tall, lengthy, talented and has a high IQ. How often do you find those type of players? Those are rare finds in basketball, there’s always players who will have weaknesses somewhere.

Basketball is not a game of inches, it’s about skill and high IQ. It’s why you often don’t see young teams go far in the playoffs, no matter the skill or their length if they don’t have a certain understanding of the game they won’t go anywhere. So you will usually see the more experienced teams have more success. It’s not length or wingspan :lol:

Also if you want to really go into it, wingspan includes chest width and doesn’t just mean long arms. That’s for those physics majors out there :wink:
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Post#80 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:24 pm

Wingspan is why you see a guy like Desmond Bane fall in the draft. Now he’s giving everybody buckets. But someone did take Isaac Okoro in the top 5 and Killian Hayes top 7 probably because they had long arms LOL
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