Scoot Henderson

[Big J]

Sorry to break it to you, but counting stats are pretty much meaningless when it comes to prospects.

That's literally false.

Devin Booker, Russell Westbrook, tons of guys didn’t put up numbers in college and became stars in the league.

[JMAC3]

You're cherry picking games.

Game before vs basically all of Memphis young players he knocked down multiple 3s and finished with 9 assist to 3 turnovers.

And there really is no precedence for a 19 year old dominating G League. Hardy on Ignite shot 35%, didn't generate freethrows and was a walking turnover. His improvement from then to this year actually hurts the argument you are trying to make.

Could he have shot it better and took care of the ball? Surely, but the burst and strength going to the cup cannot be denied.

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This is false, his last two games have been vs Iowa.

So they were 14/6/7 with 5 fouls and 6 turnovers
14/9/9 with 5 fouls and 3 turnovers.

He was 10/23 combined in those games including 2/5 from three.

I already acknowledge he shot the ball better vs Memphis. I am not cherry picking. I have talked about his last 3 games.

You are the one who is cherry picking his good game 3 games ago, without bringing up either of the last 2 performances.

14/9/9 with 3 turnovers 6/11 2/4 is not a bad game no matter how you shake it

So 2 of his last 3 were good and yet you are cherry picking 1 game and citing guys like Hardy who were abysmal in the same position last year.

I am sorry, but 14 points is a bad game for a guy that some people think should go number 1. When second round prospects from 6 months ago are dropping 35+.

Brandon Miller is dropping 40 in college, which is a lot tougher to do than the Gleague where the spacing is better and guys are more worried about scoring than playing defense.

[EvanZ]

Sorry to break it to you, but counting stats are pretty much meaningless when it comes to prospects.

That's literally false.

Devin Booker, Russell Westbrook, tons of guys didn’t put up numbers in college and became stars in the league.

Uh you should really check your facts. Devin Booker shot 41% on 3s and 82% from the line. Russ is the rare exception due to his incredibly elite athleticism and he also split the guard position with Collison that year.

Regardless, the idea that stats literally don't matter to you is laughable. Good luck with that approach.

[clyde21]

is this a pre-emptive strike for when Bronny posts a 7/3/2 line in college and still goes top10?

[EvanZ]

The vast majority of NBA stars were stars in college or elsewhere. And they were stars because they were able to aggregate "counting stats". For the most part being a star means you will get those stats. We all know that. Nobody is talking about a Draymond Green being a star in college (even though he too had good stats!).

[reanimator]

This is false, his last two games have been vs Iowa.

So they were 14/6/7 with 5 fouls and 6 turnovers
14/9/9 with 5 fouls and 3 turnovers.

He was 10/23 combined in those games including 2/5 from three.

I already acknowledge he shot the ball better vs Memphis. I am not cherry picking. I have talked about his last 3 games.

You are the one who is cherry picking his good game 3 games ago, without bringing up either of the last 2 performances.

14/9/9 with 3 turnovers 6/11 2/4 is not a bad game no matter how you shake it

So 2 of his last 3 were good and yet you are cherry picking 1 game and citing guys like Hardy who were abysmal in the same position last year.

I am sorry, but 14 points is a bad game for a guy that some people think should go number 1. When second round prospects from 6 months ago are dropping 35+.

Brandon Miller is dropping 40 in college, which is a lot tougher to do than the Gleague where the spacing is better and guys are more worried about scoring than playing defense.

Yeah that same 2nd round prospect who shot 35%, had a negative assist to turnover, and could not generate fouls. This is who you want to cite.

Brandon Miller is not dropping 40 a night in college versus the likes of Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia, etc and that Alabama team probably enjoys more spacing than 98% of D1 basketball teams. Won't even get into the physicality Alabama has over the field meanwhile the Ignite is all young bloods in a league full of guys who at minimum had 4 years of college S+C.

Once again if scoring is so easy at the G League level then why is it easier to cite high scoring D1 freshmen than 19 year olds who dominated said G league?

A PG knocking down shots at an efficient clip, taking care of the ball, generating looks for his teammates, and putting pressure on the rim doesn't suddenly become a bad game because he didn't volume score. Chris Paul or Nash had plenty 15 pt nights where they were easily the best player on the court. Just an odd litmus.

[JMAC3]

Sorry to break it to you, but counting stats are pretty much meaningless when it comes to prospects.

That's literally false.

Devin Booker, Russell Westbrook, tons of guys didn’t put up numbers in college and became stars in the league.

Yeah, it's not impossible. These guys also weren't considered locks to be the 2nd pick either.

Westbrook UCLA team had Love, Mbah a Moute, Collison and himself and averaged 73 ppg.
Booker Kentucky team had KAT, Tre Lyles, WCS, Harrison twins and averaged 74.4 ppg.

Scoot team averages 110 ppg in a league that has teams averaging 120+ ppg.

[Big J]

The vast majority of NBA stars were stars in college or elsewhere. And they were stars because they were able to aggregate "counting stats". For the most part being a star means you will get those stats. We all know that. Nobody is talking about a Draymond Green being a star in college (even though he too had good stats!).

Yea, well lots of guys put up huge numbers in college and it amounts to nothing as far as their prospects are concerned.

[JMAC3]

14/9/9 with 3 turnovers 6/11 2/4 is not a bad game no matter how you shake it

So 2 of his last 3 were good and yet you are cherry picking 1 game and citing guys like Hardy who were abysmal in the same position last year.

I am sorry, but 14 points is a bad game for a guy that some people think should go number 1. When second round prospects from 6 months ago are dropping 35+.

Brandon Miller is dropping 40 in college, which is a lot tougher to do than the Gleague where the spacing is better and guys are more worried about scoring than playing defense.

Yeah that same 2nd round prospect who shot 35%, had a negative assist to turnover, and could not generate fouls. This is who you want to cite.

Brandon Miller is not dropping 40 a night in college versus the likes of Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia, etc and that Alabama team probably enjoys more spacing than 98% of D1 basketball teams. Won't even get into the physicality Alabama has over the field meanwhile the Ignite is all young bloods in a league full of guys who at minimum had 4 years of college S+C.

Once again if scoring is so easy at the G League level then why is it easier to cite high scoring D1 freshmen than 19 year olds who dominated said G league?

A PG knocking down shots at an efficient clip, taking care of the ball, generating looks for his teammates, and putting pressure on the rim doesn't suddenly become a bad game because he didn't volume score. Chris Paul or Nash had plenty 15 pt nights where they were easily the best player on the court. Just an odd litmus.

Yeah I think 14 ppg is a lot different in the gleague where most of those guys are lucky to ever step foot on a nba court vs CP3 or Nash having a low scoring game because they are giving shots to Devin Booker, Amare etc... I mean is your argument that Scoot could score more and do it more efficiently if he wanted?

Josh Minott shot 16/21 from the field and scored 37 points vs Scoot team last night. What is this 35% from field talk? You are just making up numbers?

[reanimator]

I am sorry, but 14 points is a bad game for a guy that some people think should go number 1. When second round prospects from 6 months ago are dropping 35+.

Brandon Miller is dropping 40 in college, which is a lot tougher to do than the Gleague where the spacing is better and guys are more worried about scoring than playing defense.

Yeah that same 2nd round prospect who shot 35%, had a negative assist to turnover, and could not generate fouls. This is who you want to cite.

Brandon Miller is not dropping 40 a night in college versus the likes of Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia, etc and that Alabama team probably enjoys more spacing than 98% of D1 basketball teams. Won't even get into the physicality Alabama has over the field meanwhile the Ignite is all young bloods in a league full of guys who at minimum had 4 years of college S+C.

Once again if scoring is so easy at the G League level then why is it easier to cite high scoring D1 freshmen than 19 year olds who dominated said G league?

A PG knocking down shots at an efficient clip, taking care of the ball, generating looks for his teammates, and putting pressure on the rim doesn't suddenly become a bad game because he didn't volume score. Chris Paul or Nash had plenty 15 pt nights where they were easily the best player on the court. Just an odd litmus.

Yeah I think 14 ppg is a lot different in the gleague where most of those guys are lucky to ever step foot on a nba court vs CP3 or Nash having a low scoring game because they are giving shots to Devin Booker, Amare etc... I mean is your argument that Scoot could score more and do it more efficiently if he wanted?

Josh Minott shot 16/21 from the field and scored 37 points vs Scoot team last night. What is this 35% from field talk? You are just making up numbers?

You cited Hardy...

Minott is already drafted and in an NBA regiment. Not sure why he is being brought up...

You still have not stated what 19 year old pre draft dominated the G league to set these various standards you deem to be indicative of "poor play."

Brandon Miller has had 11 games with 15 or under btw.

[EvanZ]

The vast majority of NBA stars were stars in college or elsewhere. And they were stars because they were able to aggregate "counting stats". For the most part being a star means you will get those stats. We all know that. Nobody is talking about a Draymond Green being a star in college (even though he too had good stats!).

Yea, well lots of guys put up huge numbers in college and it amounts to nothing as far as their prospects are concerned.

Yes, but very few guys who didn't put up big numbers in college become stars. This is just facts man, hate to tell you the truth. Most NBA players were at the very least stars on their college teams. It's astonishing someone who purports to be some kind of "draft expert" doesn't already know this. You just out here winging it I guess.

I mean dude you're a Warriors fan. I bet you have no idea that Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb were stars on their college teams.

[Big J]

The vast majority of NBA stars were stars in college or elsewhere. And they were stars because they were able to aggregate "counting stats". For the most part being a star means you will get those stats. We all know that. Nobody is talking about a Draymond Green being a star in college (even though he too had good stats!).

Yea, well lots of guys put up huge numbers in college and it amounts to nothing as far as their prospects are concerned.

Yes, but very few guys who didn't put up big numbers in college become stars. This is just facts man, hate to tell you the truth. Most NBA players were at the very least stars on their college teams. It's astonishing someone who purports to be some kind of "draft expert" doesn't already know this. You just out here winging it I guess.

I mean dude you're a Warriors fan. I bet you have no idea that Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb were stars on their college teams.

You can twist and turn it however you want, but my point is that counting stats are pretty useless at predicting who will be good at the next level.

[JMAC3]

You cited Hardy...

Minott is already drafted and in an NBA regiment. Not sure why he is being brought up...

You still have not stated what 19 year old pre draft dominated the G league to set these various standards you deem to be indicative of "poor play."

Brandon Miller has had 11 games with 15 or under btw.

Well for one, we have what 2-3 years of data even with predraft guys playing in the Gleague and probably under 10 guys that could be setting an example? One of which went top 5 in the draft. Sorry I can't bring up hundreds of examples.

Alabama averages 83 ppg. Ignite average 110 ppg.

Do you really think 15 ppg should be weighed equally in these 2 scenarios?

Then take into account Miller has 4 games over 30 points, Scoot has zero.

[Big J]

is this a pre-emptive strike for when Bronny posts a 7/3/2 line in college and still goes top10?

So, now you’re admitting he’s going top 10? Make up your damn mind.

[EvanZ]

Yea, well lots of guys put up huge numbers in college and it amounts to nothing as far as their prospects are concerned.

Yes, but very few guys who didn't put up big numbers in college become stars. This is just facts man, hate to tell you the truth. Most NBA players were at the very least stars on their college teams. It's astonishing someone who purports to be some kind of "draft expert" doesn't already know this. You just out here winging it I guess.

I mean dude you're a Warriors fan. I bet you have no idea that Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb were stars on their college teams.

You can twist and turn it however you want, but my point is that counting stats are pretty useless at predicting who will be good at the next level.

LMAO. Ok buddy. O...K.

[clyde21]

is this a pre-emptive strike for when Bronny posts a 7/3/2 line in college and still goes top10?

So, now you’re admitting he’s going top 10? Make up your damn mind.

i know you have a hard time keeping up with simple convos but I never said he isn't going top10, I said he's not worthy of being projected to go top10.

whether he goes top10 or not is irrelevant but pretty fkn comical if it does unless he shows something in college that he hasn't already in HS.

[reanimator]

You cited Hardy...

Minott is already drafted and in an NBA regiment. Not sure why he is being brought up...

You still have not stated what 19 year old pre draft dominated the G league to set these various standards you deem to be indicative of "poor play."

Brandon Miller has had 11 games with 15 or under btw.

Well for one, we have what 2-3 years of data even with predraft guys playing in the Gleague and probably under 10 guys that could be setting an example? One of which went top 5 in the draft. Sorry I can't bring up hundreds of examples.

Alabama averages 83 ppg. Ignite average 110 ppg.

Do you really think 15 ppg should be weighed equally in these 2 scenarios?

Then take into account Miller has 4 games over 30 points, Scoot has zero.

So you have sparse data yet have deemed your arbitrary baselines as indicative of poor play.

I think amount of possessions is relevant but also so is the quality of competition. And no, I don't believe the SEC is fielding G league quality comp on a game to game basis. This is of course not even accounting for the age gap.

That said, does Scoot has some questions as a scorer? Sure, but not because he had an efficient 14 pt game where he generated a ton of looks for his team without turning over nor because he isn't scoring 40 per night which is something no one in his position has done historically.

[EvanZ]

He didn't say he isn't scoring 40 per night. He said he hasn't put up 40 in any game. Or even 30.

[reanimator]

He didn't say he isn't scoring 40 per night. He said he hasn't put up 40 in any game. Or even 30.

Ok.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only comparable guard prospect pre draft was Jalen Green. Hardy, Daniels, etc are not worthwhile as they were either woefully inefficient or simply didn't score well enough.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630224/boxscores/

If this is accurate, when did Jalen Green score 30 or 40 on ignite?

Scoot has had 6 games over 25 this year and a 27 and 31 pt outing last year

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I just don't sense any sort of consistent logic here. If you aren't high on the kid's burst or shooting then just say that instead of arbitrary goalpost.

[JMAC3]

So you have sparse data yet have deemed your arbitrary baselines as indicative of poor play.

I think amount of possessions is relevant but also so is the quality of competition. And no, I don't believe the SEC is fielding G league quality comp on a game to game basis. This is of course not even accounting for the age gap.

That said, does Scoot has some questions as a scorer? Sure, but not because he had an efficient 14 pt game where he generated a ton of looks for his team without turning over nor because he isn't scoring 40 per night which is something no one in his position has done historically.

You seem to be all over the place man. You are trying to say competition is better, when it is clearly much easier to score in the GLeague.

Also, confusing why you want to limit the data set to like 10 guys who were 19 yrs old predraft....

When I can point to 100 guys who are 19-20 post draft that are putting up better numbers than Scoot. Does being drafted automatically make them better at basketball overnight? You expect someone like Minott who was 45th pick to be better than Scoot simply because the Wolves used a draft pick on him?

Bryce McGowens is averaging 22 ppg in the gleague this year including 2 30+ games. He averaged under 17 ppg in college.
Josh Minnot is averaging 20 ppg in gleague this year, he averaged 6 ppg in college.

Most guys average more in the gleague then they did in college, because it is easier to score. The floor is better spaced, the pace is faster, the shot clock is shorter meaning more possessions and overall guys care less about defense.

So yes, if Scoot played in college vs "weaker competition" I would still expect him to average fewer ppg then he currently does in the Gleague.