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In some cases like this one because Dick hasn't been good his rookie season and people are impatient and employ massive amounts of recency bias, it's so obvious what is going on here with Furthy. Tall white shooter playing for the same team. Of course people are sheep and can't get out of their own heads so they think Dick sucks (sucks dick whatever) and Furthy is filthy. But he is clearly worse across the board statistically. It's not even really all that close a comparison.

i mean they are not similar as prospects nor do they play the same position or fill the same archetype, so not sure why we're even talking about this comp.

clyde21 wrote:i mean they are not similar as prospects nor do they play the same position or fill the same archetype, so not sure why we're even talking about this comp.

They are both tall blond white guys that played basketball at Kansas. Obviously the comp

clyde21 wrote:i mean they are not similar as prospects nor do they play the same position or fill the same archetype, so not sure why we're even talking about this comp.

On the vecenie podcast they said he has a shot to be one and done and be a lotto.

You have to be smoking crack to think they are not the same archetype. Clyde always thinks he's being the clever contrarian. These two dudes are clearly wings. If Furphy isn't a "tall white shooter" then he has no other business with the NBA. This isn't Josh Giddey "tall white point guard" archetype.

I'm sorry but someone tell me how Furphy is not the same archetype as Dick. That is rich. I'd love to hear this one. Someone gonna come in here and tell me Furphy is a center lol.

Furphy is a stretch 4, Dick is a proto SG

"tall white and can shoot" is not an archetype

so much clownery on this board lately is actively mind bending.

clyde21 wrote:Furphy is a stretch 4, Dick is a proto SG

"tall white and can shoot" is not an archetype

so much clownery on this board lately is actively mind bending.

They're both wings. I had hopes Grady could be more of a guard but he can barely dribble.

So yes, in the end they are both "tall white shooters". There's really no way around it. Functionally that's what the hell they are. Sorry it isn't cool or whatever.

Lol ok

azcatz11 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:i mean they are not similar as prospects nor do they play the same position or fill the same archetype, so not sure why we're even talking about this comp.

On the vecenie podcast they said he has a shot to be one and done and be a lotto.

The lottery buzz for Furphy is growing:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/johnny-furphy-is-a-lottery-pick-hiding

EvanZ wrote:In some cases like this one because Dick hasn't been good his rookie season and people are impatient and employ massive amounts of recency bias, it's so obvious what is going on here with Furthy. Tall white shooter playing for the same team. Of course people are sheep and can't get out of their own heads so they think Dick sucks (sucks dick whatever) and Furthy is filthy. But he is clearly worse across the board statistically. It's not even really all that close a comparison.

3PA/100 possessions is basically the same. Points per 40 mins is basically the same.

Furphy has higher 3 FG%, a much higher TS%, a slightly higher BPM, looks to be slightly taller too. Gradey was a better off ball defender but Furphy is a better on ball defender..

Hal14 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:In some cases like this one because Dick hasn't been good his rookie season and people are impatient and employ massive amounts of recency bias, it's so obvious what is going on here with Furthy. Tall white shooter playing for the same team. Of course people are sheep and can't get out of their own heads so they think Dick sucks (sucks dick whatever) and Furthy is filthy. But he is clearly worse across the board statistically. It's not even really all that close a comparison.

3PA/100 possessions is basically the same. Points per 40 mins is basically the same.

Furphy has higher 3 FG%, a much higher TS%, a slightly higher BPM, looks to be slightly taller too. Gradey was a better off ball defender but Furphy is a better on ball defender..

It's funny you mention 3PT% but you don't mention how few 3s he's taken (74 vs 200) and you don't appear to care to look at his FT%. He's a tall white maybe-shooter. That's about it.

EvanZ wrote:

Hal14 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:In some cases like this one because Dick hasn't been good his rookie season and people are impatient and employ massive amounts of recency bias, it's so obvious what is going on here with Furthy. Tall white shooter playing for the same team. Of course people are sheep and can't get out of their own heads so they think Dick sucks (sucks dick whatever) and Furthy is filthy. But he is clearly worse across the board statistically. It's not even really all that close a comparison.

3PA/100 possessions is basically the same. Points per 40 mins is basically the same.

Furphy has higher 3 FG%, a much higher TS%, a slightly higher BPM, looks to be slightly taller too. Gradey was a better off ball defender but Furphy is a better on ball defender..

It's funny you mention 3PT% but you don't mention how few 3s he's taken (74 vs 200) and you don't appear to care to look at his FT%. He's a tall white maybe-shooter. That's about it.

Was it really necessary to tell us the color of his skin?

Hal14 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

Hal14 wrote:3PA/100 possessions is basically the same. Points per 40 mins is basically the same.

Furphy has higher 3 FG%, a much higher TS%, a slightly higher BPM, looks to be slightly taller too. Gradey was a better off ball defender but Furphy is a better on ball defender..

It's funny you mention 3PT% but you don't mention how few 3s he's taken (74 vs 200) and you don't appear to care to look at his FT%. He's a tall white maybe-shooter. That's about it.

Was it really necessary to tell us the color of his skin?

Probably as necessary as asking that question.

EvanZ wrote:

Hal14 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:In some cases like this one because Dick hasn't been good his rookie season and people are impatient and employ massive amounts of recency bias, it's so obvious what is going on here with Furthy. Tall white shooter playing for the same team. Of course people are sheep and can't get out of their own heads so they think Dick sucks (sucks dick whatever) and Furthy is filthy. But he is clearly worse across the board statistically. It's not even really all that close a comparison.

3PA/100 possessions is basically the same. Points per 40 mins is basically the same.

Furphy has higher 3 FG%, a much higher TS%, a slightly higher BPM, looks to be slightly taller too. Gradey was a better off ball defender but Furphy is a better on ball defender..

It's funny you mention 3PT% but you don't mention how few 3s he's taken (74 vs 200) and you don't appear to care to look at his FT%. He's a tall white maybe-shooter. That's about it.

i mean, 2/3 of his FGA are threes. he's taken 75 threes and 39 twos. making 43% of those threes - i'm going to go ahead and call him a shooter. and before you point again to his FT shooting, 75 3pt attempts is a much better sample than 34 FT attempts.

He might be better than Risacher..

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L12zBVwTnyQ

Dick and Furphy are very different types of players.

SeattleJazzFan wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

Hal14 wrote:3PA/100 possessions is basically the same. Points per 40 mins is basically the same.

Furphy has higher 3 FG%, a much higher TS%, a slightly higher BPM, looks to be slightly taller too. Gradey was a better off ball defender but Furphy is a better on ball defender..

It's funny you mention 3PT% but you don't mention how few 3s he's taken (74 vs 200) and you don't appear to care to look at his FT%. He's a tall white maybe-shooter. That's about it.

i mean, 2/3 of his FGA are threes. he's taken 75 threes and 39 twos. making 43% of those threes - i'm going to go ahead and call him a shooter. and before you point again to his FT shooting, 75 3pt attempts is a much better sample than 34 FT attempts.

It's actually likely not because free throw percentages settle much faster than 3pt %'s. Steph Curry isn't ever a bad free throw shooter in 34 attempts. But in 75 3pt attempts he has had bad weeks. To him that is literally like 6-7 games worth of 3s.

To really gauge 3pt shooting in college I've come to the realization you probably can't really be sure about shooters until they get to 300 or even 400 3s. And that's usually not even possible as a Freshman obviously.

But by all means don't let me tell you how to drink in the stats however you want.

ItsDanger wrote:Dick and Furphy are very different types of players.

Yeah, yeah. Very different. Furphy is an inch taller and has a cool accent. And a mullet!

EvanZ wrote:

ItsDanger wrote:Dick and Furphy are very different types of players.

Yeah, yeah. Very different. Furphy is an inch taller and has a cool accent. And a mullet!

Dick is a better passer, better off ball instincts so far. Furphy is a better rebounder and on ball defender.

ItsDanger wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

ItsDanger wrote:Dick and Furphy are very different types of players.

Yeah, yeah. Very different. Furphy is an inch taller and has a cool accent. And a mullet!

Dick is a better passer, better off ball instincts so far. Furphy is a better rebounder and on ball defender.

I mean these are not meaningful enough differences IN THE NBA to mean anything ot me. Every player is different from literally every other player in the NBA if you drill into any comparison. Literally no two players are exactly the same. It's so ridiculous the lengths people go to make mountains out of mole hills in these comps. These two guys for all intents and purposes IN THE NBA are going to be the same archetype. It's just not that hard. Don't overthink it. The only question here is which one will do it better?