2025 NBA Combine ****

[NO-KG-AI]

last time I'll address the hair issue. If you watched the first combine scrimmage Cory Alexander literally chided Dylan for his hair and trying to inflate his height. Dylan literally said that's why he did it though he tried to brush it off as a joke. Dylan is not a legit 6'4". I only care because kids mocked me for saying he wasn't 6'6" all season and it feels good to be proven right

Newsflash, most NBA players are way shorter in socks then their listed NBA height such as in socks Donovan Mitchell is 6-1 flat. Myles Turner, Jarret Allen should be listed at 6-9 with the logic you are trying to employ here. Julius Randle, Carlos Boozer and Kevin Love should also be listed at 6-7.......or we can all agree that most players are at least and 1inch to 1.5 inches shorter than their listed heights in the NBA.

So yeah Harper being 6-4.5 in socks is pretty normal, because in shoes he is probably very close to 6-6 lol, he measured taller than Booker and Shaedon Sharpe in socks... and they are both listed at 6-6. I have never seen an internet argument over Booker and Shaedon are huge liars and way shorter than they are.....

Gee, thanks for repeating exactly what I've been saying for years. I really appreciate that "newsflash". I know these things. Others don't. I'm specifically responding to the people on here and the supposed experts who all argued that he was 6'6" barefoot all season and pushed back when I said he likely sub 6'4" barefoot when you take his hair into account. These people legit thought he had elite size and he doesn't. Now that he's clearly at best (if you ignore his hair) 6'4.5" barefoot you'd think that would maybe get people reconsidering their projections but nope, people are incapable of coming off their initial takes and just go along with groupthink. Nobody was claiming Sharpe and Booker were 2 inches taller than they are to justify having them high on their boards so why are they relevant to this discussion? But whatevs, no point talking about this until next year's round of embellishments so I retire from this subject

Who said he was 6’6 barefoot? I apologize for not being up on that talk, but I thought anything close to 6’4 in socks is great for him. He’s a big lead guard, his size and length are a big plus, i would have had to reconsider if he was more 6’3 with not great length, but like someone said, he landed in the Harden/Wade size range, which bodes well for his style of play IMO, even if he’s not that caliber of athlete.


Anyone that thought he was 6’6 in socks are the same people that think the entire NBA is actually taller than their listed heights lol

[JMAC3]

last time I'll address the hair issue. If you watched the first combine scrimmage Cory Alexander literally chided Dylan for his hair and trying to inflate his height. Dylan literally said that's why he did it though he tried to brush it off as a joke. Dylan is not a legit 6'4". I only care because kids mocked me for saying he wasn't 6'6" all season and it feels good to be proven right

Newsflash, most NBA players are way shorter in socks then their listed NBA height such as in socks Donovan Mitchell is 6-1 flat. Myles Turner, Jarret Allen should be listed at 6-9 with the logic you are trying to employ here. Julius Randle, Carlos Boozer and Kevin Love should also be listed at 6-7.......or we can all agree that most players are at least and 1inch to 1.5 inches shorter than their listed heights in the NBA.

So yeah Harper being 6-4.5 in socks is pretty normal, because in shoes he is probably very close to 6-6 lol, he measured taller than Booker and Shaedon Sharpe in socks... and they are both listed at 6-6. I have never seen an internet argument over Booker and Shaedon are huge liars and way shorter than they are.....

Gee, thanks for repeating exactly what I've been saying for years. I really appreciate that "newsflash". I know these things. Others don't. I'm specifically responding to the people on here and the supposed experts who all argued that he was 6'6" barefoot all season and pushed back when I said he likely sub 6'4" barefoot when you take his hair into account. These people legit thought he had elite size and he doesn't. Now that he's clearly at best (if you ignore his hair) 6'4.5" barefoot you'd think that would maybe get people reconsidering their projections but nope, people are incapable of coming off their initial takes and just go along with groupthink. Nobody was claiming Sharpe and Booker were 2 inches taller than they are to justify having them high on their boards so why are they relevant to this discussion? But whatevs, no point talking about this until next year's round of embellishments so I retire from this subject

He is going to be listed at least 6-5 in the NBA, if not 6-6. 90% of the leagues listed heights are with shoes. So if he is 6-4.5, he is likely taller than every single player in the NBA listed at 6-4, so spending the next 6 months trying to make him sound small is kind of pointless unless we are going to start subtracting an inch from every current players listing to calibrate what 6-4 means in our brains.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Newsflash, most NBA players are way shorter in socks then their listed NBA height such as in socks Donovan Mitchell is 6-1 flat. Myles Turner, Jarret Allen should be listed at 6-9 with the logic you are trying to employ here. Julius Randle, Carlos Boozer and Kevin Love should also be listed at 6-7.......or we can all agree that most players are at least and 1inch to 1.5 inches shorter than their listed heights in the NBA.

So yeah Harper being 6-4.5 in socks is pretty normal, because in shoes he is probably very close to 6-6 lol, he measured taller than Booker and Shaedon Sharpe in socks... and they are both listed at 6-6. I have never seen an internet argument over Booker and Shaedon are huge liars and way shorter than they are.....

Gee, thanks for repeating exactly what I've been saying for years. I really appreciate that "newsflash". I know these things. Others don't. I'm specifically responding to the people on here and the supposed experts who all argued that he was 6'6" barefoot all season and pushed back when I said he likely sub 6'4" barefoot when you take his hair into account. These people legit thought he had elite size and he doesn't. Now that he's clearly at best (if you ignore his hair) 6'4.5" barefoot you'd think that would maybe get people reconsidering their projections but nope, people are incapable of coming off their initial takes and just go along with groupthink. Nobody was claiming Sharpe and Booker were 2 inches taller than they are to justify having them high on their boards so why are they relevant to this discussion? But whatevs, no point talking about this until next year's round of embellishments so I retire from this subject

He is going to be listed at least 6-5 in the NBA, if not 6-6. 90% of the leagues listed heights are with shoes. So if he is 6-4.5, he is likely taller than every single player in the NBA listed at 6-4, so spending the next 6 months trying to make him sound small is kind of pointless unless we are going to start subtracting an inch from every current players listing to calibrate what 6-4 means in our brains.

List him however they want. It won't make him any taller than sub 6'4". I don't care what players are listed at and I won't need to calibrate differently because I view players at their actual heights not in sneakers. And I don't think he's small so why would I spend the next 6 months trying to make him sound small? But part of evaluating prospects is acknowledging facts like height and wingspan and those things do make a difference.

You can be nearly 6'4" like Harper and "play big" in college due to having a size advantage. It's easier to finish around the rim because many centers are 6'8" and it's possible to post up guards because many are sub 6'. This advantage goes away almost entirely in the NBA as everyone is bigger and faster. If he was a legit 6'6" barefoot he'd still be able to play big in the NBA because he'd still have a substantial size advantage versus most guards allowing him to see over them, shoot over them and finish around or over many centers at the rim. So if you spent all year viewing him like he's 6'6" barefoot and see him playing big like he did and his size is a major component of why you have him in a higher tier, using his rim % as one of your arguments, believing that makes him elite as it's likely to translate, you'd be wrong and should rethink your prior projections as you'd naturally do if you find out a guy has a poor vertical, negative wingspan or addicted to painkillers. It's a component of the evaluation. If he was actually 6'6" barefoot he'd be my #2 but he's not so he falls a whopping 1-2 spots. But see, that 1-2 spots is the difference between elite and just very good so it matters.

The NBA is the only league or walk of life that lists people's heights in sneakers. They don't measure your height with sneakers on at the doctor's office. If someone asks you how tall you are, unless you're an insecure liar you don't tell them what it is with sneakers on yet the NBA laughably does this. I don't know if it's because announcers and the league in general wants to embellish to add to the mystique of these athletes or they don't do their research. Either way, I don't have to play along.

[G R E Y]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

[G R E Y]

DP

[babyjax13]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

Some agents teach players to game certain measurements. Standing reach is probably the worst b/c if you deflate your standing reach (easy to do it sounds like) it inflates your vertical. Reed Sheppard was the big offender last year, I suspect Tre was, this year.

[G R E Y]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

Some agents teach players to game certain measurements. Standing reach is probably the worst b/c if you deflate your standing reach (easy to do it sounds like) it inflates your vertical. Reed Sheppard was the big offender last year, I suspect Tre was, this year.

Thanks. I was thinking like long neck lol or some guys are more flexible but I never thought it would be something gamed. There's always an angle, I guess.

[G R E Y]

DP

[babyjax13]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

Some agents teach players to game certain measurements. Standing reach is probably the worst b/c if you deflate your standing reach (easy to do it sounds like) it inflates your vertical. Reed Sheppard was the big offender last year, I suspect Tre was, this year.

Thanks. I was thinking like long neck lol or some guys are more flexible but I never thought it would be something gamed. There's always an angle, I guess.

Different body shapes can certainly contribute, but there is no way that Tre Johnson has the vertical he was measured as having imo

[Chokic]

The confusion revolves around ppl talking about barefoot height or height w/ shoes. If you say 6'4. That can be a height range from 6'2 all the way up to 6'6 depending on soles of shoes. This would be an easy fix if the nba just came out w/ universal standardized barefoot measurement for every player in the league and yet they still can't accomplish that smh. You got some guys measured in barefoot height and some listed in shoes height.

Most shoes sold are typically 1" 1.25" or 1.5"

E.g 6'4 flat in shoes--> 6'2 flat -> 2" soles
6'2 quarter-->1.75" soles
6 '2 and half-->1.5" soles
6'2 3 quarter-->1.25" soles
6'3 flat -->1" soles
6'3 quarter-->0.75" soles


Some rookies especially those who got measured at 18 19 20 yrs old will probably grow up to another half inch or more before they're done.

So Ace Bailey and Cooper Flagg will prob be around 6'8 and change barefoot making them a legit 6'9 in shoes.

[zzaj]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

Some agents teach players to game certain measurements. Standing reach is probably the worst b/c if you deflate your standing reach (easy to do it sounds like) it inflates your vertical. Reed Sheppard was the big offender last year, I suspect Tre was, this year.

Thanks. I was thinking like long neck lol or some guys are more flexible but I never thought it would be something gamed. There's always an angle, I guess.

Also, torso width has a ton to do with it. If Harper's torso is 2.5 inches wider than Edgecombes, when they stick their arms straight up you'd see a difference. I think people forget sometimes that wingspan isn't just arm length--a very significant factor is torso width. Torso width also is a positive indicator for players being able to add muscle mass.

[954gator]

I don't believe those measurements for many guys like Edgecomb, Philon, Harper, Clayton or Queen. Their hairstyle accounts for about an inch which is exactly why they grow it out that way. I knew Harper wasn't 6'6". He's shorter than his brother who is 6'3.75" measured at the combine so his supposed 6'4.5" isn't believable at all. I don't think it hurts him nor does 6'7.5" hurt Ace despite the narrative though since this is still solid measurements for their positions. But it certainly doesn't help the others who are all undersized for their positions. Most everyone was off by 1-2" from what the "experts" have been telling us all season per usual. You'd think they'd learn but there's no repercussions for their embellishment so I guess we just chalk it up to being hype men for agents at this point.

Last year Clayton measured 6-2.5 with no shoes at the g-league combine when he had braids. If anything they were harsher on him this year. Somehow he lost a tiny bit of wingspan too lmao.

[ferk]

I don't believe those measurements for many guys like Edgecomb, Philon, Harper, Clayton or Queen. Their hairstyle accounts for about an inch which is exactly why they grow it out that way. I knew Harper wasn't 6'6". He's shorter than his brother who is 6'3.75" measured at the combine so his supposed 6'4.5" isn't believable at all. I don't think it hurts him nor does 6'7.5" hurt Ace despite the narrative though since this is still solid measurements for their positions. But it certainly doesn't help the others who are all undersized for their positions. Most everyone was off by 1-2" from what the "experts" have been telling us all season per usual. You'd think they'd learn but there's no repercussions for their embellishment so I guess we just chalk it up to being hype men for agents at this point.

Last year Clayton measured 6-2.5 with no shoes at the g-league combine when he had braids. If anything they were harsher on him this year. Somehow he lost a tiny bit of wingspan too lmao.

gonna be a midget before his rookie deal is up

[FrodoBaggins]

Some agents teach players to game certain measurements. Standing reach is probably the worst b/c if you deflate your standing reach (easy to do it sounds like) it inflates your vertical. Reed Sheppard was the big offender last year, I suspect Tre was, this year.

Thanks. I was thinking like long neck lol or some guys are more flexible but I never thought it would be something gamed. There's always an angle, I guess.

Also, torso width has a ton to do with it. If Harper's torso is 2.5 inches wider than Edgecombes, when they stick their arms straight up you'd see a difference. I think people forget sometimes that wingspan isn't just arm length--a very significant factor is torso width. Torso width also is a positive indicator for players being able to add muscle mass.

Proportions definitely matter. Guys like Noa Essengue, Mikal Bridges, and Tayshaun Prince have narrow shoulders and therefore have wingspans that understate their "length." Noa measured 6'10" in shoes, with a 6'11" wingspan, and an insane 9'3.25" standing reach. 1.25" more standing reach than KD despite nearly 6" less wingspan. Bill Russell was around 3" shorter than Wilt but had a slightly higher standing reach despite also having 4" less wingspan.

[clyde21]

Thanks. I was thinking like long neck lol or some guys are more flexible but I never thought it would be something gamed. There's always an angle, I guess.

Also, torso width has a ton to do with it. If Harper's torso is 2.5 inches wider than Edgecombes, when they stick their arms straight up you'd see a difference. I think people forget sometimes that wingspan isn't just arm length--a very significant factor is torso width. Torso width also is a positive indicator for players being able to add muscle mass.

Proportions definitely matter. Guys like Noa Essengue, Mikal Bridges, and Tayshaun Prince have narrow shoulders and therefore have wingspans that understate their "length." Noa measured 6'10" in shoes, with a 6'11" wingspan, and an insane 9'3.25" standing reach. 1.25" more standing reach than KD despite nearly 6" less wingspan. Bill Russell was around 3" shorter than Wilt but had a slightly higher standing reach despite also having 4" less wingspan.

narrow shoulders don't "understate" wingspan. that's literally what wingspan measurements are measuring. arm length + shoulder width.

[TheSuzerain]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

Shorter neck and narrower shoulders.

Plus people (foolishly) sandbag their standing reach sometimes to make the vert look better.

[CptCrunch]

Can someone please explain this:

Edgecombe is 1/2" shorter than Harper without shoes. He has a 3" shorter wingspan than Harper. Yet his standing reach is only 1/2" shorter than Harper's.

Wingspan is influenced by torso/shoulder width. Harper would have wider shoulders.

Many here already think Harper is 1-1.5" inches shorter than measured due to his afro. This shifts the realistic unexplained difference to about 1 inch. Standing reach (relative to height) is also unfluenced by length of neck/head which easily explains their height/reach delta.

tl;dr - Harper likely has wider shoulders and inflated height. Both of these would be the most parismonious explanations of what you observed.

[FrodoBaggins]

Also, torso width has a ton to do with it. If Harper's torso is 2.5 inches wider than Edgecombes, when they stick their arms straight up you'd see a difference. I think people forget sometimes that wingspan isn't just arm length--a very significant factor is torso width. Torso width also is a positive indicator for players being able to add muscle mass.

Proportions definitely matter. Guys like Noa Essengue, Mikal Bridges, and Tayshaun Prince have narrow shoulders and therefore have wingspans that understate their "length." Noa measured 6'10" in shoes, with a 6'11" wingspan, and an insane 9'3.25" standing reach. 1.25" more standing reach than KD despite nearly 6" less wingspan. Bill Russell was around 3" shorter than Wilt but had a slightly higher standing reach despite also having 4" less wingspan.

narrow shoulders don't "understate" wingspan. that's literally what wingspan measurements are measuring. arm length + shoulder width.

I said length, not wingspan. I bolded it so you won't miss it. Make sure to read carefully.

[clyde21]

Proportions definitely matter. Guys like Noa Essengue, Mikal Bridges, and Tayshaun Prince have narrow shoulders and therefore have wingspans that understate their "length." Noa measured 6'10" in shoes, with a 6'11" wingspan, and an insane 9'3.25" standing reach. 1.25" more standing reach than KD despite nearly 6" less wingspan. Bill Russell was around 3" shorter than Wilt but had a slightly higher standing reach despite also having 4" less wingspan.

narrow shoulders don't "understate" wingspan. that's literally what wingspan measurements are measuring. arm length + shoulder width.

I said length, not wingspan. I bolded it so you won't miss it. Make sure to read carefully.

not sure what that means but ok

[RipCity71252]

narrow shoulders don't "understate" wingspan. that's literally what wingspan measurements are measuring. arm length + shoulder width.

I said length, not wingspan. I bolded it so you won't miss it. Make sure to read carefully.

not sure what that means but ok

Wingspan is measured with your arms out, but when reaching up or out in front, your arm length is largely what's being used functionally on the floor.

It's why the NFL measures arm length rather than wingspan and why it's an especially important marker for lineman who play largely with their arms out in front them.