2020 NBA Draft II

Post #641 » by **Marcus** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:46 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
clyde21 wrote:i don't see the argument tbh, you're talking about a high-usage, no-defense lead guard with decision making and efficiency issues and no semblance of an off-ball game...i'm basically describing D-Lo

he'll get his raw stats I'm sure because it's easy in today's NBA when you're that kind of archetype to put up a bunch of points and assists but I'm not buying long term value at all at this point

we've seen this story play out a bunch of times

You don't think Russell would be the top prospect in this class?

i mean, not really, what do i do with DLo? i don't think he's a winning player, and by the time his rookie contract up he's gonna want max money...i just want nothing to do with that type of player.

i'd rather have low usage defenders like Haliburton and Josh Green tbh, just not a Melo or DLo type of guy at all

speaking from the Warriors perspective though right? not from a perspective of a team without something already established?

clyde21 · Post #642 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:12 pm

Marcus wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Klomp wrote:You don't think Russell would be the top prospect in this class?

i mean, not really, what do i do with DLo? i don't think he's a winning player, and by the time his rookie contract up he's gonna want max money...i just want nothing to do with that type of player.

i'd rather have low usage defenders like Haliburton and Josh Green tbh, just not a Melo or DLo type of guy at all

speaking from the Warriors perspective though right? not from a perspective of a team without something already established?

no, from any team perspective, i don't believe primarily on-ball guards that don't play any defense and have efficiency questions marks can ever be net positive players in the NBA...really the worst type of players you can have honestly because those guys are the kings of empty calorie stats so you're eventually gonna have to pay them but the ROI is nonexistent.

Post #643 » by **Marcus** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:16 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
i mean, not really, what do i do with DLo? i don't think he's a winning player, and by the time his rookie contract up he's gonna want max money...i just want nothing to do with that type of player.

i'd rather have low usage defenders like Haliburton and Josh Green tbh, just not a Melo or DLo type of guy at all

speaking from the Warriors perspective though right? not from a perspective of a team without something already established?

no, from any team perspective, i don't believe primarily on-ball guards that don't play any defense and have efficiency questions marks can ever be net positive players in the NBA...really the worst type of players you can have honestly because those guys are the kings of empty calorie stats so you're eventually gonna have to pay them but the ROI is nonexistent.

So any team in a position where that may be the best option should look to trade that pick and add role players until they hit that jackpot whether that be through development or generational talent?

clyde21 · Post #644 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:20 pm

Marcus wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Marcus wrote:

speaking from the Warriors perspective though right? not from a perspective of a team without something already established?

no, from any team perspective, i don't believe primarily on-ball guards that don't play any defense and have efficiency questions marks can ever be net positive players in the NBA...really the worst type of players you can have honestly because those guys are the kings of empty calorie stats so you're eventually gonna have to pay them but the ROI is nonexistent.

So any team in a position where that may be the best option should look to trade that pick and add role players until they hit that jackpot whether that be through development or generational talent?

yea, i mean I depends on the intel, if you feel like other teams might value this player then take him and flip him before his max contract, if you're telling me i get Dlo at #1 overall I'd rather trade down every single time.

Post #645 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:21 pm

The more I look at this draft, the more I'd rather have a pick in the 15-20 range than in the top 5 range. It's just a complete waste of a top 5 pick. I just think I get a lot more value with a guy like Josh Green at 20 than I would get with anyone with a top 5 pick. Also either than Edwards I'm not really seeing any guy that might have high potential.

If i was a GM with a top 5 pick I'd be hoping I could find a team in the late teens that fall in love with a top 5 guy and I can trade down and get some unprotected picks in a trade.

nolang1 · Post #646 » by **nolang1** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:24 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:The more I look at this draft, the more I'd rather have a pick in the 15-20 range than in the top 5 range. It's just a complete waste of a top 5 pick. I just think I get a lot more value with a guy like Josh Green at 20 than I would get with anyone with a top 5 pick. Also either than Edwards I'm not really seeing any guy that might have high potential.

If i was a GM with a top 5 pick I'd be hoping I could find a team in the late teens that fall in love with a top 5 guy and I can trade down and get some unprotected picks in a trade.

This is nothing new though, and I’m sure most teams have been thinking that way for a while. In drafts like these most teams are just willing to take whoever’s there at their spot and pay the lower salary slot (and you could probably say this applies even more now since future picks could be part of the double draft). Like in 2016 I’m sure Milwaukee would’ve been willing to take even the most token amount of compensation to move down and take Thon Maker later, but there just weren’t any offers so they bit the bullet and took him 10th.

No-Man · Post #647 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:31 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
Fischella wrote:KOC should be sued for plagiarism

Who did he plagarize?

The Stepien, multiple times

Post #648 » by **Klomp** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:09 am

clyde21 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
clyde21 wrote:i don't see the argument tbh, you're talking about a high-usage, no-defense lead guard with decision making and efficiency issues and no semblance of an off-ball game...i'm basically describing D-Lo

he'll get his raw stats I'm sure because it's easy in today's NBA when you're that kind of archetype to put up a bunch of points and assists but I'm not buying long term value at all at this point

we've seen this story play out a bunch of times

You don't think Russell would be the top prospect in this class?

i mean, not really, what do i do with DLo? i don't think he's a winning player, and by the time his rookie contract up he's gonna want max money...i just want nothing to do with that type of player.

i'd rather have low usage defenders like Haliburton and Josh Green tbh, just not a Melo or DLo type of guy at all

Any player drafted No. 1 is probably going to want that, yes even Haliburton and Green.

Post #649 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:56 pm

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doordoor123 · Post #650 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:30 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:The more I look at this draft, the more I'd rather have a pick in the 15-20 range than in the top 5 range. It's just a complete waste of a top 5 pick. I just think I get a lot more value with a guy like Josh Green at 20 than I would get with anyone with a top 5 pick. Also either than Edwards I'm not really seeing any guy that might have high potential.

If i was a GM with a top 5 pick I'd be hoping I could find a team in the late teens that fall in love with a top 5 guy and I can trade down and get some unprotected picks in a trade.

This has been my stance all year. The steal is going to be that team picking somewhere between 5-10 who picks a 15-20 guy.

Catchall · Post #651 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:40 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:The more I look at this draft, the more I'd rather have a pick in the 15-20 range than in the top 5 range. It's just a complete waste of a top 5 pick. I just think I get a lot more value with a guy like Josh Green at 20 than I would get with anyone with a top 5 pick. Also either than Edwards I'm not really seeing any guy that might have high potential.

If i was a GM with a top 5 pick I'd be hoping I could find a team in the late teens that fall in love with a top 5 guy and I can trade down and get some unprotected picks in a trade.

I agree with you. I love the 10 - 20 range of this draft with Hampton, Vassell, Maxey, Nesmith, Bey, McDaniels, Anthony, Maledon, Williams, etc. Even bigs like Achiuwa, Stewart, Pokusevsky and Smith could turn out at least as good as the bigs at the top of the draft. There are quality guys through 25 at least.

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clyde21 · Post #655 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:25 pm

final bb

Spoiler:

getrichordie · Post #656 » by **getrichordie** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:06 am

How much do you guys weight SOS when taking stats into account?

Which prospects had the hardest schedule?
Easiest schedule?

God Squad · Post #657 » by **God Squad** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:35 am

clyde21 wrote:final bb

Spoiler:
TIER 1
R.J. HAMPTON
ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
TYRESE MAXEY
TYRESE HALIBURTON
ONYEKA OKONGWU
OBI TOPPIN
JOSH GREEN
COLE ANTHONY
TYLER BEY
NICO MANNION
ISAAC OKORO
JAMES WISEMAN

TIER 3
LEANDRO BOLMARO
JARED BUTLER
PAUL REED
ISAIAH STEWART
KILLIAN HAYES
KIRA LEWIS JR.
DEVIN VASSELL
LAMELO BALL
DENI AVDIJA
TRE JONES
PATRICK WILLIAMS
JAY SCRUB
KILLIAN TILLIE
XAVIER TILLMAN

Thoughts on Jalen Smith? I see Ibaka

clyde21 · Post #658 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:43 am

^ he's okay, end of first round / early second round type of pick, same as Bruno last year, maybe he goes higher because he can hit an open 3 every now and then unlike Bruno but Bruno is stronger presence inside

i worry about Smith's lower body more than anything

MotownMadness · Post #659 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:03 pm

clyde21 wrote:final bb

Spoiler:
TIER 1
R.J. HAMPTON
ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
TYRESE MAXEY
TYRESE HALIBURTON
ONYEKA OKONGWU
OBI TOPPIN
JOSH GREEN
COLE ANTHONY
TYLER BEY
NICO MANNION
ISAAC OKORO
JAMES WISEMAN

TIER 3
LEANDRO BOLMARO
JARED BUTLER
PAUL REED
ISAIAH STEWART
KILLIAN HAYES
KIRA LEWIS JR.
DEVIN VASSELL
LAMELO BALL
DENI AVDIJA
TRE JONES
PATRICK WILLIAMS
JAY SCRUB
KILLIAN TILLIE
XAVIER TILLMAN

Not a Saddiq Bey fan?

clyde21 · Post #660 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:41 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
clyde21 wrote:final bb

Spoiler:
TIER 1
R.J. HAMPTON
ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
TYRESE MAXEY
TYRESE HALIBURTON
ONYEKA OKONGWU
OBI TOPPIN
JOSH GREEN
COLE ANTHONY
TYLER BEY
NICO MANNION
ISAAC OKORO
JAMES WISEMAN

TIER 3
LEANDRO BOLMARO
JARED BUTLER
PAUL REED
ISAIAH STEWART
KILLIAN HAYES
KIRA LEWIS JR.
DEVIN VASSELL
LAMELO BALL
DENI AVDIJA
TRE JONES
PATRICK WILLIAMS
JAY SCRUB
KILLIAN TILLIE
XAVIER TILLMAN

Not a Saddiq Bey fan?

ehhh...i think he's a fine pick later in the first but I am not necessarily buying his shot making, he's very average athletically and defensively he's pretty ordinary

i do like how much he improved from Y1 to Y2 and you can never count those guys out, he's got a good head on his shoulders, but I just don't see it at this point with him