Cooper Flagg - Duke

[JMAC3]

Disappeared? Buddy you can view my posts. I kept my posts consistent. You must be talking about someone else and yes, Flagg is worse than Ben Simmons. I almost guarantee will not have a better rookie season than rookie Simmons. And actually it wasn’t me comparing Flagg to Tatum, it was people like you who don’t watch a lick of basketball. We really had people saying Flagg would be Tatum 2.0 like Tatum hasn’t been a 30 ppg scorer, multiple times in finals, and multiple first teams. Delusional is real.I said Flagg was more comparable to RJ Barrett than Zion and wasn’t some next level prospect and I still stand by that. Your tears are spectacular

Ben Simmons rookie year was age 21...3 years older than Flagg. He should technically be a NCAA freshman this year. Flagg could have the worst NBA season of all time this year and I doubt anyone would care because he's so young

Speak for yourself buddy. Darko was 18 years old when drafted and still became a bust. None of that stuff matters. I’m not even saying Flagg will be a bust either but I don’t think he’ll be the first or second scoring option on a championship team nor will he be as good as many of the players that people were forcing comparisons for

What a copout answer haha. So he has to win a championship as the #1/#2 scoring option otherwise you were right about calling him a role player or whatever this mess was.

Flagg is HORRIBLE as a scorer.
Flagg can’t dribble, can’t shoot, has a weak first step, athleticism isn’t as good as some people think here. Big men in college typically have much better efficiency stats than wings. There’s literally no excuse for Flagg except accepting reality. Flagg is a role player and that’s how he will succeed. A high motor player.

Flagg is going to be a 10x allstar, nothing like a role player

[bigboi]

Ben Simmons rookie year was age 21...3 years older than Flagg. He should technically be a NCAA freshman this year. Flagg could have the worst NBA season of all time this year and I doubt anyone would care because he's so young

Speak for yourself buddy. Darko was 18 years old when drafted and still became a bust. None of that stuff matters. I’m not even saying Flagg will be a bust either but I don’t think he’ll be the first or second scoring option on a championship team nor will he be as good as many of the players that people were forcing comparisons for

What a copout answer haha. So he has to win a championship as the #1/#2 scoring option otherwise you were right about calling him a role player or whatever this mess was.

Flagg is HORRIBLE as a scorer.
Flagg can’t dribble, can’t shoot, has a weak first step, athleticism isn’t as good as some people think here. Big men in college typically have much better efficiency stats than wings. There’s literally no excuse for Flagg except accepting reality. Flagg is a role player and that’s how he will succeed. A high motor player.

Flagg is going to be a 10x allstar, nothing like a role player

Post is a whole lot of cope. And lmao, no

[JMAC3]

Speak for yourself buddy. Darko was 18 years old when drafted and still became a bust. None of that stuff matters. I’m not even saying Flagg will be a bust either but I don’t think he’ll be the first or second scoring option on a championship team nor will he be as good as many of the players that people were forcing comparisons for

What a copout answer haha. So he has to win a championship as the #1/#2 scoring option otherwise you were right about calling him a role player or whatever this mess was.

Flagg is HORRIBLE as a scorer.
Flagg can’t dribble, can’t shoot, has a weak first step, athleticism isn’t as good as some people think here. Big men in college typically have much better efficiency stats than wings. There’s literally no excuse for Flagg except accepting reality. Flagg is a role player and that’s how he will succeed. A high motor player.

Flagg is going to be a 10x allstar, nothing like a role player

Post is a whole lot of cope. And lmao, no

He is much more likely to be a 10x allstar then the role player you keep selling him as, but also you have already shown to be a flaky and goal post mover when your takes look bad, so really no point in this convo. Even if Flagg ends up awesome you will try to find someway to spin it rather than just admitting you had a terrible take from the beginning.

[babyjax13]

FWIW the first 25 pages of this thread are people talking about how much they like him but that he isn't a generational prospect. He got better in the end of the year and most people had him as a clear #1 and I think that is right. I am not worried about a 6 game sample to start his rookie year and I think he will be better than Harper. That said, Harper was a great prospect in his own right.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Always think if you can’t shot create role player your ceiling. Cooper could be a better Draymond which is still a top tier player.

But think we are seeing other draft picks establishing a higher floor than him currently

[babyjax13]

Always think if you can’t shot create role player your ceiling. Cooper could be a better Draymond which is still a top tier player.

But think we are seeing other draft picks establishing a higher floor than him currently

People were saying this before Conferemce play started last year, then suddenly he was creating his own shot. I think he will figure it out and be able to create his own offense in the NBA.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Always think if you can’t shot create role player your ceiling. Cooper could be a better Draymond which is still a top tier player.

But think we are seeing other draft picks establishing a higher floor than him currently

People were saying this before Conferemce play started last year, then suddenly he was creating his own shot. I think he will figure it out and be able to create his own offense in the NBA.

Is there an example of an okay college shot creator being an NBA one ?

Having to figure out how to create a shot at a college level isn’t a boost of confidence for me. Got college shot creators that turn into situations creators in the NBA

[ReggiesKnicks]

Always think if you can’t shot create role player your ceiling. Cooper could be a better Draymond which is still a top tier player.

But think we are seeing other draft picks establishing a higher floor than him currently

So you consider Anthony Davis and Draymond Green role players?

[babyjax13]

Always think if you can’t shot create role player your ceiling. Cooper could be a better Draymond which is still a top tier player.

But think we are seeing other draft picks establishing a higher floor than him currently

People were saying this before Conferemce play started last year, then suddenly he was creating his own shot. I think he will figure it out and be able to create his own offense in the NBA.

Is there an example of an okay college shot creator being an NBA one ?

Having to figure out how to create a shot at a college level isn’t a boost of confidence for me. Got college shot creators that turn into situations creators in the NBA

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard come to mind. Plus I would argue that by the end of the season Cooper was one of the best freshman at creating his own shot, probably second to Harper?

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Always think if you can’t shot create role player your ceiling. Cooper could be a better Draymond which is still a top tier player.

But think we are seeing other draft picks establishing a higher floor than him currently

So you consider Anthony Davis and Draymond Green role players?

Anthony Davis always been a shot creator. Draymond an elite role player.

[One_and_Done]

People were saying this before Conferemce play started last year, then suddenly he was creating his own shot. I think he will figure it out and be able to create his own offense in the NBA.

Is there an example of an okay college shot creator being an NBA one ?

Having to figure out how to create a shot at a college level isn’t a boost of confidence for me. Got college shot creators that turn into situations creators in the NBA

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard come to mind. Plus I would argue that by the end of the season Cooper was one of the best freshman at creating his own shot, probably second to Harper?

Kawhi relies on his insane physical tools and strength to get to his spot, knock off defenders or finish through contact, and releases the ball at a nigh unblockable point with flawless shot mechanics. To a lesser extent PG13 succeeded on offense the same way.

So far, it's not clear Flagg can do this, and certainly not against the best defenders.

[babyjax13]

Is there an example of an okay college shot creator being an NBA one ?

Having to figure out how to create a shot at a college level isn’t a boost of confidence for me. Got college shot creators that turn into situations creators in the NBA

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard come to mind. Plus I would argue that by the end of the season Cooper was one of the best freshman at creating his own shot, probably second to Harper?

Kawhi relies on his insane physical tools and strength to get to his spot, knock off defenders or finish through contact, and releases the ball at a nigh unblockable point with flawless shot mechanics. To a lesser extent PG13 succeeded on offense the same way.

So far, it's not clear Flagg can do this, and certainly not against the best defenders.

I dont think it was clear Kawhi or George could in their rookie years, either.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

People were saying this before Conferemce play started last year, then suddenly he was creating his own shot. I think he will figure it out and be able to create his own offense in the NBA.

Is there an example of an okay college shot creator being an NBA one ?

Having to figure out how to create a shot at a college level isn’t a boost of confidence for me. Got college shot creators that turn into situations creators in the NBA

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard come to mind. Plus I would argue that by the end of the season Cooper was one of the best freshman at creating his own shot, probably second to Harper?

Tre Johnson easily the best shot creator of the draft. Not even sure if Flagg was the best shot creator on duke.

Paul George and Kawhi created shots in college.

Guess I’m saying i don’t have doubt Flagg can make shots and score within a system. He can be a star without being first option type.

[babyjax13]

Is there an example of an okay college shot creator being an NBA one ?

Having to figure out how to create a shot at a college level isn’t a boost of confidence for me. Got college shot creators that turn into situations creators in the NBA

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard come to mind. Plus I would argue that by the end of the season Cooper was one of the best freshman at creating his own shot, probably second to Harper?

Tre Johnson easily the best shot creator of the draft. Not even sure if Flagg was the best shot creator on duke.

Paul George and Kawhi created shots in college.

Guess I’m saying i don’t have doubt Flagg can make shots and score within a system. He can be a star without being first option type.

Lawhi didn't create a ton of shots in college. He was a low volume player that mostly scored at the freethrow line and in. Likewise George was really low volume, but he did hit more shots from the perimeter. Johnson was a great college scorer but a lot of his stuff was high difficulty. I don't know that he was a better shot creator except from the three point line.

[One_and_Done]

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard come to mind. Plus I would argue that by the end of the season Cooper was one of the best freshman at creating his own shot, probably second to Harper?

Kawhi relies on his insane physical tools and strength to get to his spot, knock off defenders or finish through contact, and releases the ball at a nigh unblockable point with flawless shot mechanics. To a lesser extent PG13 succeeded on offense the same way.

So far, it's not clear Flagg can do this, and certainly not against the best defenders.

I dont think it was clear Kawhi or George could in their rookie years, either.

No, they had to improve alot. In Kawhi's case, he had maybe the greatest improvement trajectory of any.player in the history of the league.

Nobody was claiming either was a generational prospect early in either.

[babyjax13]

Kawhi relies on his insane physical tools and strength to get to his spot, knock off defenders or finish through contact, and releases the ball at a nigh unblockable point with flawless shot mechanics. To a lesser extent PG13 succeeded on offense the same way.

So far, it's not clear Flagg can do this, and certainly not against the best defenders.

I dont think it was clear Kawhi or George could in their rookie years, either.

No, they had to improve alot. In Kawhi's case, he had maybe the greatest improvement trajectory of any.player in the history of the league.

Nobody was claiming either was a generational prospect early in either.

I don't think many people on this forum were claiming Flagg was generational, either. Some were, and I get it based on the statistics and some of his late season performances. But is he an excellent prospect, probably upper 1/4 of first picks in the last 20 years? I think so, or at least, pretty close. We will see how things develop, but I see his worst case as having a role something like Shawn Marion's in Phoenix as a second scoring option whose defense and versatility provide a ton of value to a team. Not the same player, obviously.

[One_and_Done]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

[Braggins]

Flagg is pretty much a full year younger than Harper and most of the prospects from this class (nearly 1.5 years younger than Edgecombe). I don't know why people play dumb about this in Flagg discussions.

[HadAnEffectHere]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

Harper gets to play with Wemby and on a contending team. Flagg is playing with the dumbest roster ever designed by a team other than the Kings.

(To be clear, Harper is awesome to watch while Flagg's style is completely unwatchable because he's such a Jimmy Butler esque foul baiter, but Flagg was a billion times safer because of how good he is as a shooter compared to Harper)

[babyjax13]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

There was a large gap. Flagg was an awesome defender, Harper wasn't. Flagg was just as impactful on offense, he is bigger, he plays a more valuable position, and he is younger. 6 games is a really small sample to be making a claim that Harper has proven he is just as good of a prospect. That said people were really high on Harper, too. Go look at the Harper thread.