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Post#661 » by bennjuiced34 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 11:27 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Why is Knox so slept on?!

Personally I love the kid's potential.


I think the 'lack of feel' knock against him is bull. I've watched a lot of Porter and I think he lacks 'feel' too. But that could be because both players are so young.

Hard to teach 6'9", uber athleticism, coordination, super versatility on both ends, work ethic, motor and a budding offensive game.

I think Knox is gonna blow up, especially playing for Cal in a high octane offense where he'll get to showcase a lot of his skill.
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Post#662 » by Wiltside » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:27 am

Knox is definitely an intriguing talent - can't wait for college season to kick off.

Here's our primer on some of the top end talent, and a few other's to watch out for this college season. Check if out if interested: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/11/07/college-players-to-watch-nba-draft/
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Post#663 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:38 pm

Porter blows Knox athletically, not sure Knox is even quick
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Post#664 » by doordoor123 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:18 pm

Fischella wrote:Porter blows Knox athletically, not sure Knox is even quick


Knox is kind of overrated right now IMO. I just think Knox has a lot of developing to do, but his shot, feel for the game and athletic ability is all there. Porter is ready right now. Porter is my number 1 in this draft. I just think he has everything as of now. But the college season is long, maybe Knox will be more seasoned by the end of it. And yeah, Knox doesn't really have the speed. I have Knox as an after the lottery pick as of now. I think Knox is more of a power forward at the next level than a small forward and Porter to me is a small forward who can handle the ball.
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Post#665 » by Justwar » Wed Nov 8, 2017 11:28 pm

If knox isn't athletic then I have no idea what is, he might just be big and strong he looks slow
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Post#666 » by 916fan » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:25 am

doordoor123 wrote:I was high on Payton Pritchard from Oregon last year and so far he's been playing like a first round pick. He isn't the quickest guy, but he has good size, huge hands, really good defender and he's really smart. Could end up being a lottery pick by the end of the year.

Haven't seen a game with him yet, but Isaiah Washington from Minnesota looks like fire. I love the way he plays. Finishes with contact for a guy that's 6'1, has great passing and can really handle the ball. He also has some nice bounce. Has a great feel for the game too. I think he's going to be fun to watch this year.

Pritchard? I've never viewed him as a NBA prospect. He strikes me as the typical undersized college SG/PG. He never really stood out when watching Dorsey, Brooks, or Bell...He'll get an opportunity to be the #1 guy this year, but I don't think he has the handles to be a NBA PG yet.
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Post#667 » by Stackey » Thu Nov 9, 2017 3:52 am

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Player of the Month

Luka Doncic (99', 6-7, PG/SG, Slovenia, Real Madrid)

After a great showing in FIBA's Eurobasket, where he lead Slovenia to the gold medal along with Goran Dragic, Luka Doncic knew that this season everybody will watch him closer than ever. So what has he done for an encore? He's stepped up his game even further! Doncic isn't just the best player of his generation. At the moment he might even be the best overall player in Europe, which is pretty amazing considering the fact that he is just 18 years old. The Slovenian prospect has managed to become the leader of his team. He is the leading scorer in EuroLeague and he can do just about anything on the floor. He can score, play the Pick n' Roll, rebound and pass. His court vision is uncanny and his shooting is improving constantly. He is not a great athlete, even by Europe standards, and it's difficult to imagine him guarding point guards at the NBA level. But he is proving to be incredibly precocious, as a player with amazing skill and IQ for the game, and that all the hype around him over the last couple of years is justified.

Who's Hot

Dzanan Musa (99', 6-9, SG/SF, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cedevita)

For years Dzanan Musa was considered the best scorer of his generation in Europe, but everyone wondered two things: 1. Will he be able to score as efficiently at the next level? 2. Can he do anything else besides scoring? Judging from what he has done the first month of the season the answer is “yes” to both of those questions. The Bosnian prospect is having a terrific year thus far in Aba Liga. He can score with the best of them and his 3-point shooting is improving. More importantly, he fills the stat sheet with rebounds, assists and even steals. Musa looks more mature than ever, proving that his showing at the Adidas EuroCamp last June was no fluke. If he continues like that, his stock will just keep rising.

Goga Bitadze (99', 6-11, C, Georgia, Mega Bemax)

Every season there is a player from Mega Bemax who finds a way to stand out before the draft. It has happened with Nikola Jokic, Ivica Zubac, Timothe Luwaru-Cabarrot and Alpha Kaba. Goga Bitadze looks like he will be the next in line. The Georgian prospect started the season amazingly well at Aba-Liga, posting a double-double or near double-double lines with 2+ blocks for a whole month! Not bad for a kid who turned 18 years old just two months ago. Bitadze is a beast. He is strong and can run the floor well, he can post up and even shoot from mid-range and can be a good rim protector thanks to his feel for the game. He is far from a finished prospect and needs a lot of work. But the talent is there.

Vanja Marinkovic (97', 6-7, SG, Serbia, Partizan)

After a just OK showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Vanja Marinkovic looks like a man on a mission this year. The Serbian prospect is having by far his best year, scoring in bunches in every game. His confidence is back and this is obvious by the fact that he is shooting above 40% from 3-point range with more than 6 attempts per game from beyond the arc. If he manages to mix it up and become something more than just a shooter, then the scouts will be even more intrigued by him.

Elie Okobo (97', 6-2, PG, France, Pau Ortez)

The French prospect has really stepped up his game this year. After a solid showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Okobo has doubled his playing time and thus all his numbers from last year. His decision making looks better, his shooting is steady and his defensive upside is there. He is not a consistent shooter just yet and still has room to grow, but it's obvious that he has really improved since last year.

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Arnoldas Kulboka (98', 6-9, SF, Lithuania, Capo D'Orlando)

He is having his usual ups and downs. He struggles when his shot isn't falling. But when Kulboka is locked in, he looks like a player with NBA potential. The Lithuanian prospect is one of the best shooters in Europe. Playing for the first time at a high level in Italy, he has shown flashes of being a good player. His concentration still needs some work and he must be able to put the ball on the floor more. His upside though is undeniable and it's on him to prove the rest of the way that he has the ability to play in the NBA.

Isaac Bonga (99', 6-9, PG/SG, Germany, Fraport Frankfurt)

When someone watches Bonga for the first time, all they think is “potential, potential, potential”. His body structure is intriguing, looking like a... baby Antetokounmpo. His court vision is great. His defensive instincts are off the charts. But... he is still raw and has a lot to work on. The German prospect has the chance to learn through trial and error this year, having plenty of playing time in the German League. He is a stat sheet filler, but his offense, shooting and decision making need work. He will continue to improve as time passes by though as everyone is intrigued to see how good he can become this year.

Rodions Kurucs (98', 6-8, SF, Latvia, Barcelona)

Kurucs surprised a lot of people when he decided to withdraw from last year's draft despite the fact that he was considered a first rounder. He was promised a bigger role in Barcelona and he probably thought that will help his stock for the 2018 draft. As things stand right now, this hasn't looked like a good decision for him. With Barcelona bringing veteran players in at his position, the Latvian prospect is forced to play for the Barcelona B, which plays at second Spanish division. The thing is though that everybody has seen him play against players at that level and wanted to watch him against better competition. Kurucs is still an interesting prospect, but he really has to show something more this season if he still wants to be considered a first rounder.

Who's Cold

Tryggvi Hlinason (97', 7-1, C, Iceland, Valencia)

After a great showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Hlinason found out the hard way that it's not so easy to move up and play at the highest European level. Having playing basketball for just two years, it's difficult to find playing time in a EuroLeague team, especially if this team is the Spanish champion. Hlinason's playing time is not just limited. It's almost non-existent. Valencia is trying to be competitive in EuroLeague and ACB, so it's difficult to wait for Hlinason to learn from his mistakes, viewing him more as a long term prospect. And this situation has negatively affected his stock.

Felipe Dos Anjos (98', 7-2, C, Brazil, San Paulo Burgos)

Dos Anjos' size and skillset make him intriguing. He had a solid season last year at second Spanish division, so Real Madrid decided to loan him on a team of ACB, hoping to see him gain playing time against elite competition. But this hasn't happened yet. The Brazilian prospect has played in just 3 games thus far and he is averaging just 3 minutes per game. This was supposed to be the year that he showed everyone what he could do on the floor. But so far he's struggling to produce.

Edin Atic (97', 6-8, SF, Bosnia, AEK BC)

Two years ago Atic was considered one of the best prospects in Europe. A “jack of all trades” wing who could do it all. He might still be the same player, but he hasn't been given the chance to show that. Atic was expected to have a bigger role at AEK BC this year. But it took just two weeks for him to not just be out of the rotation, but off of the squad. The Greek powerhouse has 7 foreigners and is allowed to use 6 of them in Greek League, with Atic looking like the odd man out. And it doesn't look like this will change any time soon.

Abdoulaye NDoye (98', 6-7, PG, France, Cholet)

He is one of the best defenders of his generation. His length and playmaking ability intrigues. But it looks like N'Doye isn't ready yet to play at the next level. At least that's what they think in Cholet, with his playing time being all over the place at the beggining of the season. The French prospect has great upside and everybody is keeping an eye on him. But he has to be able to show something sooner rather than later before it's too late.

Borisa Simanic (98', 6-11, PF, Serbia, FMP)

Simanic is considered a forward with a great upside. He has the size, athleticism and shooting stroke to become a prototypical stretch-4 with NBA potential. That's great on paper, but his ups and downs had the scouts being a little skeptical with him. With Crvena Zvezda deciding to send him on loan at FMP, everybody wanted to see how he reacts with more playing time. Thus far, though, things don't look so good for him. He has played in just 3 games, having one great one and two duds. It's too soon to say that Simanic has disappointed, but he certainly hasn't impressed either.

Tadas Sedekerskis (98', 6-9, SF, Lithuania, San Paulo Burgos)

Sedekerskis had the chance to see some playing time in Baskonia last year in ACB and EuroLeague. So when he was loaned to San Paul Burgos he probably expected to have a chance to prove himself. But, just like Dos Anjos, he realized that this won't be that easy for this team. The Lithuanian prospect plays just under 10 minutes and can't even average 2 points per game. Things don't look too good, but it's on him to prove that he deserves more playing time.

Too Soon to Tell

Kostja Mushidi (98', 6-5, SG, Germany, Mega Bemax)

The German prospect was injured at the beginning of the season. He only played one game this month, but he was really impressive in that one, scoring 18 points in just 23 minutes. Still, it would be unfair to judge him. Mushidi is a player with NBA upside, mainly thanks to his atlhleticism and defensive potential, but for him to take the next step he has to improve on the other side of the floor. It remains to be seen what will happen.

Nik Slavica (97', 6-8, SG, Croatia, Cedevita)

After a disastrous season last year, Slavica found himself with no team in the summer. After months of searching he was able to sign with Croatian powerhouse Cedevita. It's too soon to judge him too, but the fact that he scored 47 points in a game for the Croatian League (!) it's a good sign for him, mainly from a confidence stand point. He still has a lot to work on, especially on offense and he has to prove to everybody that he hasn't stalled. It won't be easy since most scouts lost faith in him, but it's on him to prove them wrong.

Vasileios Charalampopoulos (97', 6-9, SF/PF, Greece, PAOK)

The MVP of FIBA's U20 Championship saw his team, Panathinaikos, give him on loan to PAOK, so that he could have room to grow. And then Charalampopoulos got injured and had to have surgery. The Greek prospect hasn't played yet, but is expected to make his debut soon. And the truth is a fair number of scouts would like to see how he will react now that he'll have a bigger role.

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#668 » by yoyoboy » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:02 am

I have COMPLETELY flip flopped my opinions of the top prospects in this draft within the last few weeks after actually taking the time to observe them more.

I'm embarrassed that I was so high on Bagley at one point, even calling him my top guy for sure. I wouldn't even take him top 5 at this point.

Porter needs to be a PF and try to take advantage of his size plus shooting ability combo. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness and shiftiness to play SF. Also he doesn't impress me as a passer. And I can't see how he'll be able to consistently get by guys from the perimeter in the NBA. Also it's hard to see him not being a poor defender.

To me Ayton is just the surefire number one at this point. I just don't see how this guy isn't an absolute monster in the NBA. He's so physically imposing. He runs the floor well. I love what he's shown as far as passing from the post and double team. And I really think he'll be able to get it together and reach his defensive potential.

Bamba needs to bulk up. As long as that happens he's going to be a great defender at the least. Shows some signs of an outside shot and he should always be a threat in the PnR. Maybe he'll develop more offensively, but that doesn't concern me. His DPOY potential is what makes scouts who dropped the ball on Rudy Gobert salivate. I really hope the Cavs find a way to get this guy.

Watching Bridges, Knox, and Doncic, there are so many aspects of their games that I absolutely love, and then a few which really worry me and make me cautious.


Right now I'm going:

1. Ayton
2. Bamba

3. Doncic
4. Knox
5. Porter Jr
6. Bagley
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Post#669 » by doordoor123 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 3:15 pm

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Post#670 » by doordoor123 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:04 pm

doordoor123 wrote:I was high on Payton Pritchard from Oregon last year and so far he's been playing like a first round pick. He isn't the quickest guy, but he has good size, huge hands, really good defender and he's really smart. Could end up being a lottery pick by the end of the year.

Edit: Lottery pick is a bit of a reach, but I was trying to hint that this is a weak guard class.

Haven't seen a game with him yet, but Isaiah Washington from Minnesota looks like fire. I love the way he plays. Finishes with contact for a guy that's 6'1, has great passing and can really handle the ball. He also has some nice bounce. Has a great feel for the game too. I think he's going to be fun to watch this year.
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Post#671 » by doordoor123 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 4:05 pm

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916fan wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:I was high on Payton Pritchard from Oregon last year and so far he's been playing like a first round pick. He isn't the quickest guy, but he has good size, huge hands, really good defender and he's really smart. Could end up being a lottery pick by the end of the year.

Haven't seen a game with him yet, but Isaiah Washington from Minnesota looks like fire. I love the way he plays. Finishes with contact for a guy that's 6'1, has great passing and can really handle the ball. He also has some nice bounce. Has a great feel for the game too. I think he's going to be fun to watch this year.

Pritchard? I've never viewed him as a NBA prospect. He strikes me as the typical undersized college SG/PG. He never really stood out when watching Dorsey, Brooks, or Bell...He'll get an opportunity to be the #1 guy this year, but I don't think he has the handles to be a NBA PG yet.


6'2 isn't really that undersized and I think his motor/strength/athleticism/finishing ability make his size a little more irrelevant. And his big hands allow him to handle the ball really well when he's driving. Not saying he's going to be an all-star, but TJ McConnell with a jumpshot is really good.
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Post#672 » by Dresden » Thu Nov 9, 2017 7:46 pm

yoyoboy wrote:I have COMPLETELY flip flopped my opinions of the top prospects in this draft within the last few weeks after actually taking the time to observe them more.

I'm embarrassed that I was so high on Bagley at one point, even calling him my top guy for sure. I wouldn't even take him top 5 at this point.

Porter needs to be a PF and try to take advantage of his size plus shooting ability combo. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness and shiftiness to play SF. Also he doesn't impress me as a passer. And I can't see how he'll be able to consistently get by guys from the perimeter in the NBA. Also it's hard to see him not being a poor defender.

To me Ayton is just the surefire number one at this point. I just don't see how this guy isn't an absolute monster in the NBA. He's so physically imposing. He runs the floor well. I love what he's shown as far as passing from the post and double team. And I really think he'll be able to get it together and reach his defensive potential.

Bamba needs to bulk up. As long as that happens he's going to be a great defender at the least. Shows some signs of an outside shot and he should always be a threat in the PnR. Maybe he'll develop more offensively, but that doesn't concern me. His DPOY potential is what makes scouts who dropped the ball on Rudy Gobert salivate. I really hope the Cavs find a way to get this guy.

Watching Bridges, Knox, and Doncic, there are so many aspects of their games that I absolutely love, and then a few which really worry me and make me cautious.


Right now I'm going:

1. Ayton
2. Bamba

3. Doncic
4. Knox
5. Porter Jr
6. Bagley


I think you're really selling Porter short. He looks to me like he can be a top 5 scorer in the nba. He's got the outside shot, the handles to get inside, the athleticism and hops to finish. He's a very good rebounder. I don't get how he'll be a poor defender- he's got length, quickness, athleticism, and he plays hard on both ends. I think his combination of height, scoring ability, athleticism, and good court awareness make him #1 right now. I'd put Doncic a close second.

I like AYton's physical attributes and his skill level seems pretty high. But big men you just never know about when they get to the nba. I remember the 2001 draft, with Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, and Eddy Curry- all tantalizing prospects, none of whom lived up to their potential. Will be interesting to see how much he dominates at AZ this year. Bill Walton reportedly said he's the best big man prospect he's seen since Shaq.
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Post#673 » by The Master » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:24 pm

About Porter, I would wait with judging his defense until he plays in NBA - because of huge commitment on offense and playing in a bad team, Simmons was considered as average defender who has issues with defending on a perimeter, and in fact he's playing great defense as a rookie with amazing perimeter D (but not against point guards to be honest), on the other hand, Wiggins was labeled as a great defender in da making because of his athleticism, but now we can wonder if he'll ever become above average on defense.

And yeah, I know both these cases (Wiggins was overrated because of his raw athleticism and Simmons played in a bad team), but what I want to say is that defense is much about engagement and attitude, and that's why it's easy to judge someone badly after his college career - Porter is going to be >20ppg and he probably won't play good defense in college (as Simmons or Fultz, who fyi even injured played interesting defense in his first NBA matches what's quite funny). Tatum was also considered as limited athlete with limited quickness, and because he plays in Boston, he's (above) average NBA defensive player as 19yo rookie.

And let me be clear, I'm not a fan of Porter, scoring is very overrated in judging prospects considering a fact only few are in fact as NBA players first options on their respective teams, and that's why other elements are more important, but I won't say with 100% sure that Porter won't be solid defender as NBA player or smth like that. It's just too early.
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Post#674 » by Dresden » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:33 am

"And let me be clear, I'm not a fan of Porter, scoring is very overrated in judging prospects considering a fact only few are in fact as NBA players first options on their respective teams, and that's why other elements are more important, but I won't say with 100% sure that Porter won't be solid defender as NBA player or smth like that. It's just too early."

When you take someone in the top 4, whose major talent is his scoring ability, you can bet that he certainly WILL be the first option on offense on whichever team selects him. Guys taken after the lottery, I'd agree with that (see Doug McDermott). But at where Porter is going, you can absolutely go by his scoring ability as a reason to take him.
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Post#675 » by doordoor123 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:37 pm

Dresden wrote:"And let me be clear, I'm not a fan of Porter, scoring is very overrated in judging prospects considering a fact only few are in fact as NBA players first options on their respective teams, and that's why other elements are more important, but I won't say with 100% sure that Porter won't be solid defender as NBA player or smth like that. It's just too early."

When you take someone in the top 4, whose major talent is his scoring ability, you can bet that he certainly WILL be the first option on offense on whichever team selects him. Guys taken after the lottery, I'd agree with that (see Doug McDermott). But at where Porter is going, you can absolutely go by his scoring ability as a reason to take him.


Doug McDemott is a different player entirely. Doug liked to take advantage of college players in the post when he was in college, but he's too small and not strong enough in the NBA to do that. Doug also never really had the fluidity foot-wise.

Porter's footwork is on a higher level and he has a better ability to see open areas to drive. To me Porter is a better version of Jayson Tatum. He has more fluidity movement-wise and if Tatum can chase down guys that drive by him, Porter can too.

In terms of defense in the NBA, Porter has the size to match up with guys one on one. The thing to question is if he can guard the pick and roll, which isn't used effectively or enough in college and it is often used in the NBA. To figure that out, it's all about floor awareness, strength and ability to turn on the dime. The important thing for me is that he turns very quickly and I could see him at least being effective in that way. He's also a guy that pretty much sacrifices his body to get to the basket on offense and it shows that he could be willing to do the same to defend baskets.

I have Porter going 1 because I'm all-in on him. I think he's special.
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Post#676 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:43 pm

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Player of the Month

Luka Doncic (99', 6-7, PG/SG, Slovenia, Real Madrid)

After a great showing in FIBA's Eurobasket, where he lead Slovenia to the gold medal along with Goran Dragic, Luka Doncic knew that this season everybody will watch him closer than ever. So what has he done for an encore? He's stepped up his game even further! Doncic isn't just the best player of his generation. At the moment he might even be the best overall player in Europe, which is pretty amazing considering the fact that he is just 18 years old. The Slovenian prospect has managed to become the leader of his team. He is the leading scorer in EuroLeague and he can do just about anything on the floor. He can score, play the Pick n' Roll, rebound and pass. His court vision is uncanny and his shooting is improving constantly. He is not a great athlete, even by Europe standards, and it's difficult to imagine him guarding point guards at the NBA level. But he is proving to be incredibly precocious, as a player with amazing skill and IQ for the game, and that all the hype around him over the last couple of years is justified.

Who's Hot

Dzanan Musa (99', 6-9, SG/SF, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cedevita)

For years Dzanan Musa was considered the best scorer of his generation in Europe, but everyone wondered two things: 1. Will he be able to score as efficiently at the next level? 2. Can he do anything else besides scoring? Judging from what he has done the first month of the season the answer is “yes” to both of those questions. The Bosnian prospect is having a terrific year thus far in Aba Liga. He can score with the best of them and his 3-point shooting is improving. More importantly, he fills the stat sheet with rebounds, assists and even steals. Musa looks more mature than ever, proving that his showing at the Adidas EuroCamp last June was no fluke. If he continues like that, his stock will just keep rising.

Goga Bitadze (99', 6-11, C, Georgia, Mega Bemax)

Every season there is a player from Mega Bemax who finds a way to stand out before the draft. It has happened with Nikola Jokic, Ivica Zubac, Timothe Luwaru-Cabarrot and Alpha Kaba. Goga Bitadze looks like he will be the next in line. The Georgian prospect started the season amazingly well at Aba-Liga, posting a double-double or near double-double lines with 2+ blocks for a whole month! Not bad for a kid who turned 18 years old just two months ago. Bitadze is a beast. He is strong and can run the floor well, he can post up and even shoot from mid-range and can be a good rim protector thanks to his feel for the game. He is far from a finished prospect and needs a lot of work. But the talent is there.

Vanja Marinkovic (97', 6-7, SG, Serbia, Partizan)

After a just OK showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Vanja Marinkovic looks like a man on a mission this year. The Serbian prospect is having by far his best year, scoring in bunches in every game. His confidence is back and this is obvious by the fact that he is shooting above 40% from 3-point range with more than 6 attempts per game from beyond the arc. If he manages to mix it up and become something more than just a shooter, then the scouts will be even more intrigued by him.

Elie Okobo (97', 6-2, PG, France, Pau Ortez)

The French prospect has really stepped up his game this year. After a solid showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Okobo has doubled his playing time and thus all his numbers from last year. His decision making looks better, his shooting is steady and his defensive upside is there. He is not a consistent shooter just yet and still has room to grow, but it's obvious that he has really improved since last year.

Neutral


Arnoldas Kulboka (98', 6-9, SF, Lithuania, Capo D'Orlando)

He is having his usual ups and downs. He struggles when his shot isn't falling. But when Kulboka is locked in, he looks like a player with NBA potential. The Lithuanian prospect is one of the best shooters in Europe. Playing for the first time at a high level in Italy, he has shown flashes of being a good player. His concentration still needs some work and he must be able to put the ball on the floor more. His upside though is undeniable and it's on him to prove the rest of the way that he has the ability to play in the NBA.

Isaac Bonga (99', 6-9, PG/SG, Germany, Fraport Frankfurt)

When someone watches Bonga for the first time, all they think is “potential, potential, potential”. His body structure is intriguing, looking like a... baby Antetokounmpo. His court vision is great. His defensive instincts are off the charts. But... he is still raw and has a lot to work on. The German prospect has the chance to learn through trial and error this year, having plenty of playing time in the German League. He is a stat sheet filler, but his offense, shooting and decision making need work. He will continue to improve as time passes by though as everyone is intrigued to see how good he can become this year.

Rodions Kurucs (98', 6-8, SF, Latvia, Barcelona)

Kurucs surprised a lot of people when he decided to withdraw from last year's draft despite the fact that he was considered a first rounder. He was promised a bigger role in Barcelona and he probably thought that will help his stock for the 2018 draft. As things stand right now, this hasn't looked like a good decision for him. With Barcelona bringing veteran players in at his position, the Latvian prospect is forced to play for the Barcelona B, which plays at second Spanish division. The thing is though that everybody has seen him play against players at that level and wanted to watch him against better competition. Kurucs is still an interesting prospect, but he really has to show something more this season if he still wants to be considered a first rounder.

Who's Cold

Tryggvi Hlinason (97', 7-1, C, Iceland, Valencia)

After a great showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Hlinason found out the hard way that it's not so easy to move up and play at the highest European level. Having playing basketball for just two years, it's difficult to find playing time in a EuroLeague team, especially if this team is the Spanish champion. Hlinason's playing time is not just limited. It's almost non-existent. Valencia is trying to be competitive in EuroLeague and ACB, so it's difficult to wait for Hlinason to learn from his mistakes, viewing him more as a long term prospect. And this situation has negatively affected his stock.

Felipe Dos Anjos (98', 7-2, C, Brazil, San Paulo Burgos)

Dos Anjos' size and skillset make him intriguing. He had a solid season last year at second Spanish division, so Real Madrid decided to loan him on a team of ACB, hoping to see him gain playing time against elite competition. But this hasn't happened yet. The Brazilian prospect has played in just 3 games thus far and he is averaging just 3 minutes per game. This was supposed to be the year that he showed everyone what he could do on the floor. But so far he's struggling to produce.

Edin Atic (97', 6-8, SF, Bosnia, AEK BC)

Two years ago Atic was considered one of the best prospects in Europe. A “jack of all trades” wing who could do it all. He might still be the same player, but he hasn't been given the chance to show that. Atic was expected to have a bigger role at AEK BC this year. But it took just two weeks for him to not just be out of the rotation, but off of the squad. The Greek powerhouse has 7 foreigners and is allowed to use 6 of them in Greek League, with Atic looking like the odd man out. And it doesn't look like this will change any time soon.

Abdoulaye NDoye (98', 6-7, PG, France, Cholet)

He is one of the best defenders of his generation. His length and playmaking ability intrigues. But it looks like N'Doye isn't ready yet to play at the next level. At least that's what they think in Cholet, with his playing time being all over the place at the beggining of the season. The French prospect has great upside and everybody is keeping an eye on him. But he has to be able to show something sooner rather than later before it's too late.

Borisa Simanic (98', 6-11, PF, Serbia, FMP)

Simanic is considered a forward with a great upside. He has the size, athleticism and shooting stroke to become a prototypical stretch-4 with NBA potential. That's great on paper, but his ups and downs had the scouts being a little skeptical with him. With Crvena Zvezda deciding to send him on loan at FMP, everybody wanted to see how he reacts with more playing time. Thus far, though, things don't look so good for him. He has played in just 3 games, having one great one and two duds. It's too soon to say that Simanic has disappointed, but he certainly hasn't impressed either.

Tadas Sedekerskis (98', 6-9, SF, Lithuania, San Paulo Burgos)

Sedekerskis had the chance to see some playing time in Baskonia last year in ACB and EuroLeague. So when he was loaned to San Paul Burgos he probably expected to have a chance to prove himself. But, just like Dos Anjos, he realized that this won't be that easy for this team. The Lithuanian prospect plays just under 10 minutes and can't even average 2 points per game. Things don't look too good, but it's on him to prove that he deserves more playing time.

Too Soon to Tell

Kostja Mushidi (98', 6-5, SG, Germany, Mega Bemax)

The German prospect was injured at the beginning of the season. He only played one game this month, but he was really impressive in that one, scoring 18 points in just 23 minutes. Still, it would be unfair to judge him. Mushidi is a player with NBA upside, mainly thanks to his atlhleticism and defensive potential, but for him to take the next step he has to improve on the other side of the floor. It remains to be seen what will happen.

Nik Slavica (97', 6-8, SG, Croatia, Cedevita)

After a disastrous season last year, Slavica found himself with no team in the summer. After months of searching he was able to sign with Croatian powerhouse Cedevita. It's too soon to judge him too, but the fact that he scored 47 points in a game for the Croatian League (!) it's a good sign for him, mainly from a confidence stand point. He still has a lot to work on, especially on offense and he has to prove to everybody that he hasn't stalled. It won't be easy since most scouts lost faith in him, but it's on him to prove them wrong.

Vasileios Charalampopoulos (97', 6-9, SF/PF, Greece, PAOK)

The MVP of FIBA's U20 Championship saw his team, Panathinaikos, give him on loan to PAOK, so that he could have room to grow. And then Charalampopoulos got injured and had to have surgery. The Greek prospect hasn't played yet, but is expected to make his debut soon. And the truth is a fair number of scouts would like to see how he will react now that he'll have a bigger role.

http://www.nbadraft.net/european-stock-watch-10


They are listing '99 players and don't even mention Georgios Kalaitzakis. This guy must be by far the most underrated prospect in Europe. He's much better than numerous players on that list.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#677 » by doordoor123 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:01 pm

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European Stock Watch


Player of the Month

Luka Doncic (99', 6-7, PG/SG, Slovenia, Real Madrid)

After a great showing in FIBA's Eurobasket, where he lead Slovenia to the gold medal along with Goran Dragic, Luka Doncic knew that this season everybody will watch him closer than ever. So what has he done for an encore? He's stepped up his game even further! Doncic isn't just the best player of his generation. At the moment he might even be the best overall player in Europe, which is pretty amazing considering the fact that he is just 18 years old. The Slovenian prospect has managed to become the leader of his team. He is the leading scorer in EuroLeague and he can do just about anything on the floor. He can score, play the Pick n' Roll, rebound and pass. His court vision is uncanny and his shooting is improving constantly. He is not a great athlete, even by Europe standards, and it's difficult to imagine him guarding point guards at the NBA level. But he is proving to be incredibly precocious, as a player with amazing skill and IQ for the game, and that all the hype around him over the last couple of years is justified.

Who's Hot

Dzanan Musa (99', 6-9, SG/SF, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cedevita)

For years Dzanan Musa was considered the best scorer of his generation in Europe, but everyone wondered two things: 1. Will he be able to score as efficiently at the next level? 2. Can he do anything else besides scoring? Judging from what he has done the first month of the season the answer is “yes” to both of those questions. The Bosnian prospect is having a terrific year thus far in Aba Liga. He can score with the best of them and his 3-point shooting is improving. More importantly, he fills the stat sheet with rebounds, assists and even steals. Musa looks more mature than ever, proving that his showing at the Adidas EuroCamp last June was no fluke. If he continues like that, his stock will just keep rising.

Goga Bitadze (99', 6-11, C, Georgia, Mega Bemax)

Every season there is a player from Mega Bemax who finds a way to stand out before the draft. It has happened with Nikola Jokic, Ivica Zubac, Timothe Luwaru-Cabarrot and Alpha Kaba. Goga Bitadze looks like he will be the next in line. The Georgian prospect started the season amazingly well at Aba-Liga, posting a double-double or near double-double lines with 2+ blocks for a whole month! Not bad for a kid who turned 18 years old just two months ago. Bitadze is a beast. He is strong and can run the floor well, he can post up and even shoot from mid-range and can be a good rim protector thanks to his feel for the game. He is far from a finished prospect and needs a lot of work. But the talent is there.

Vanja Marinkovic (97', 6-7, SG, Serbia, Partizan)

After a just OK showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Vanja Marinkovic looks like a man on a mission this year. The Serbian prospect is having by far his best year, scoring in bunches in every game. His confidence is back and this is obvious by the fact that he is shooting above 40% from 3-point range with more than 6 attempts per game from beyond the arc. If he manages to mix it up and become something more than just a shooter, then the scouts will be even more intrigued by him.

Elie Okobo (97', 6-2, PG, France, Pau Ortez)

The French prospect has really stepped up his game this year. After a solid showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Okobo has doubled his playing time and thus all his numbers from last year. His decision making looks better, his shooting is steady and his defensive upside is there. He is not a consistent shooter just yet and still has room to grow, but it's obvious that he has really improved since last year.

Neutral


Arnoldas Kulboka (98', 6-9, SF, Lithuania, Capo D'Orlando)

He is having his usual ups and downs. He struggles when his shot isn't falling. But when Kulboka is locked in, he looks like a player with NBA potential. The Lithuanian prospect is one of the best shooters in Europe. Playing for the first time at a high level in Italy, he has shown flashes of being a good player. His concentration still needs some work and he must be able to put the ball on the floor more. His upside though is undeniable and it's on him to prove the rest of the way that he has the ability to play in the NBA.

Isaac Bonga (99', 6-9, PG/SG, Germany, Fraport Frankfurt)

When someone watches Bonga for the first time, all they think is “potential, potential, potential”. His body structure is intriguing, looking like a... baby Antetokounmpo. His court vision is great. His defensive instincts are off the charts. But... he is still raw and has a lot to work on. The German prospect has the chance to learn through trial and error this year, having plenty of playing time in the German League. He is a stat sheet filler, but his offense, shooting and decision making need work. He will continue to improve as time passes by though as everyone is intrigued to see how good he can become this year.

Rodions Kurucs (98', 6-8, SF, Latvia, Barcelona)

Kurucs surprised a lot of people when he decided to withdraw from last year's draft despite the fact that he was considered a first rounder. He was promised a bigger role in Barcelona and he probably thought that will help his stock for the 2018 draft. As things stand right now, this hasn't looked like a good decision for him. With Barcelona bringing veteran players in at his position, the Latvian prospect is forced to play for the Barcelona B, which plays at second Spanish division. The thing is though that everybody has seen him play against players at that level and wanted to watch him against better competition. Kurucs is still an interesting prospect, but he really has to show something more this season if he still wants to be considered a first rounder.

Who's Cold

Tryggvi Hlinason (97', 7-1, C, Iceland, Valencia)

After a great showing at FIBA's U20 Eurobasket, Hlinason found out the hard way that it's not so easy to move up and play at the highest European level. Having playing basketball for just two years, it's difficult to find playing time in a EuroLeague team, especially if this team is the Spanish champion. Hlinason's playing time is not just limited. It's almost non-existent. Valencia is trying to be competitive in EuroLeague and ACB, so it's difficult to wait for Hlinason to learn from his mistakes, viewing him more as a long term prospect. And this situation has negatively affected his stock.

Felipe Dos Anjos (98', 7-2, C, Brazil, San Paulo Burgos)

Dos Anjos' size and skillset make him intriguing. He had a solid season last year at second Spanish division, so Real Madrid decided to loan him on a team of ACB, hoping to see him gain playing time against elite competition. But this hasn't happened yet. The Brazilian prospect has played in just 3 games thus far and he is averaging just 3 minutes per game. This was supposed to be the year that he showed everyone what he could do on the floor. But so far he's struggling to produce.

Edin Atic (97', 6-8, SF, Bosnia, AEK BC)

Two years ago Atic was considered one of the best prospects in Europe. A “jack of all trades” wing who could do it all. He might still be the same player, but he hasn't been given the chance to show that. Atic was expected to have a bigger role at AEK BC this year. But it took just two weeks for him to not just be out of the rotation, but off of the squad. The Greek powerhouse has 7 foreigners and is allowed to use 6 of them in Greek League, with Atic looking like the odd man out. And it doesn't look like this will change any time soon.

Abdoulaye NDoye (98', 6-7, PG, France, Cholet)

He is one of the best defenders of his generation. His length and playmaking ability intrigues. But it looks like N'Doye isn't ready yet to play at the next level. At least that's what they think in Cholet, with his playing time being all over the place at the beggining of the season. The French prospect has great upside and everybody is keeping an eye on him. But he has to be able to show something sooner rather than later before it's too late.

Borisa Simanic (98', 6-11, PF, Serbia, FMP)

Simanic is considered a forward with a great upside. He has the size, athleticism and shooting stroke to become a prototypical stretch-4 with NBA potential. That's great on paper, but his ups and downs had the scouts being a little skeptical with him. With Crvena Zvezda deciding to send him on loan at FMP, everybody wanted to see how he reacts with more playing time. Thus far, though, things don't look so good for him. He has played in just 3 games, having one great one and two duds. It's too soon to say that Simanic has disappointed, but he certainly hasn't impressed either.

Tadas Sedekerskis (98', 6-9, SF, Lithuania, San Paulo Burgos)

Sedekerskis had the chance to see some playing time in Baskonia last year in ACB and EuroLeague. So when he was loaned to San Paul Burgos he probably expected to have a chance to prove himself. But, just like Dos Anjos, he realized that this won't be that easy for this team. The Lithuanian prospect plays just under 10 minutes and can't even average 2 points per game. Things don't look too good, but it's on him to prove that he deserves more playing time.

Too Soon to Tell

Kostja Mushidi (98', 6-5, SG, Germany, Mega Bemax)

The German prospect was injured at the beginning of the season. He only played one game this month, but he was really impressive in that one, scoring 18 points in just 23 minutes. Still, it would be unfair to judge him. Mushidi is a player with NBA upside, mainly thanks to his atlhleticism and defensive potential, but for him to take the next step he has to improve on the other side of the floor. It remains to be seen what will happen.

Nik Slavica (97', 6-8, SG, Croatia, Cedevita)

After a disastrous season last year, Slavica found himself with no team in the summer. After months of searching he was able to sign with Croatian powerhouse Cedevita. It's too soon to judge him too, but the fact that he scored 47 points in a game for the Croatian League (!) it's a good sign for him, mainly from a confidence stand point. He still has a lot to work on, especially on offense and he has to prove to everybody that he hasn't stalled. It won't be easy since most scouts lost faith in him, but it's on him to prove them wrong.

Vasileios Charalampopoulos (97', 6-9, SF/PF, Greece, PAOK)

The MVP of FIBA's U20 Championship saw his team, Panathinaikos, give him on loan to PAOK, so that he could have room to grow. And then Charalampopoulos got injured and had to have surgery. The Greek prospect hasn't played yet, but is expected to make his debut soon. And the truth is a fair number of scouts would like to see how he will react now that he'll have a bigger role.

http://www.nbadraft.net/european-stock-watch-10


They are listing '99 players and don't even mention Georgios Kalaitzakis. This guy must be by far the most underrated prospect in Europe. He's much better than numerous players on that list.


Personally not sold on his fluidity, defense or handle. I'm pretty sure he's a 2-guard in the NBA, not a point. Having said that, he could develop into a nice roleplayer.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#678 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:31 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
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They are listing '99 players and don't even mention Georgios Kalaitzakis. This guy must be by far the most underrated prospect in Europe. He's much better than numerous players on that list.


Personally not sold on his fluidity, defense or handle. I'm pretty sure he's a 2-guard in the NBA, not a point. Having said that, he could develop into a nice roleplayer.


What do you mean not a point in the NBA? He's a small forward. Plays small forward in Greek junior national team, plays small forward in Panathinaikos junior team, and small forward in Panathinaikos senior team.

Why would him being a point guard or not in NBA even be an issue to bring up, when he never plays anything but small forward in Greece? Plus, he's 6-7 with a 6-11 wingspan (NBA small forward size)....why would he be playing point guard?

And as for his fluidity and defense...what do you mean? He's a super smooth player, a very fluid athlete, and he's got an absolutely sick handle. He's actually a better prospect in all of those aspects than Doncic is. Doncic's handle isn't nearly as good as Kalaitzakis' is. His two best attributes are his fluidity and his handle. Are you sure you are not confusing him with a totally different player?

Indeed, it seems he is by far the most underrated prospect in Europe. At least nbadraft.net correctly ranked him as the top talent at the under-18 European championship, so at least someone isn't overlooking him.
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Post#679 » by WalterBenjamin » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:28 pm

www.thestepien.com
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Post#680 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:36 pm

WalterBenjamin wrote:www.thestepien.com
With the absence of draftexpres this will fill the vacum.


Definitely a much cleaner looking website than DraftExpress.

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