2020 NBA Draft II

Catchall · Post #661 » by **Catchall** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:10 am

God Squad wrote:
clyde21 wrote:final bb

Spoiler:
TIER 1
R.J. HAMPTON
ANTHONY EDWARDS

TIER 2
TYRESE MAXEY
TYRESE HALIBURTON
ONYEKA OKONGWU
OBI TOPPIN
JOSH GREEN
COLE ANTHONY
TYLER BEY
NICO MANNION
ISAAC OKORO
JAMES WISEMAN

TIER 3
LEANDRO BOLMARO
JARED BUTLER
PAUL REED
ISAIAH STEWART
KILLIAN HAYES
KIRA LEWIS JR.
DEVIN VASSELL
LAMELO BALL
DENI AVDIJA
TRE JONES
PATRICK WILLIAMS
JAY SCRUB
KILLIAN TILLIE
XAVIER TILLMAN

Thoughts on Jalen Smith? I see Ibaka

I see Thomas Bryant with a little more effort on defense. Agree that he needs to add strength to avoid getting pushed around.

getrichordie · Post #662 » by **getrichordie** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:01 am

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getrichordie · Post #663 » by **getrichordie** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:06 am

Anybody watch any Baylor ball this year? How was Jordan Tucker's defense?

Also, updated my big board. Would appreciate some feedback!

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1948518&p=82317297#p82317297

Top 4 tiers:

Spoiler:

getrichordie · Post #664 » by **getrichordie** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:31 pm

I can't take The Ringer's "draft guide" seriously after seeing Terry at #8 and comparing Patrick Williams to Gallinari.

Swish1906 · Post #665 » by **Swish1906** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:33 pm

getrichordie wrote:I can't take The Ringer's "draft guide" seriously after seeing Terry at #8 and comparing Patrick Williams to Gallinari.

From what i understand its just a list of the Top-30. In no specific order.

Post #666 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:58 pm

getrichordie wrote:Anybody watch any Baylor ball this year? How was Jordan Tucker's defense?

Also, updated my big board. Would appreciate some feedback!

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1948518&p=82317297#p82317297

Top 4 tiers:

Spoiler:
tier 1
—
James Wiseman*
Anthony Edwards*
Killian Hayes

tier 2
—
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey*
Devin Vassell*
R.J. Hampton*
Tyrese Haliburton*

tier 3
—
Deni Avdija*
Onyeka Okungwu*
Aleksej Pokusevski
Tyler Bey*
LaMelo Ball*
Jah’mius Ramsey

tier 4
—
Kira Lewis Jr.*
Jaden McDaniels
Isaac Okoro
Patrick Williams*
Isaiah Stewart
Saddiq Bey*
Paul Reed*
Daniel Oturu
Josh Hall
Obi Toppin
Joel Ayayi

You mean Butler? Or is there a Jordan Tucker on Baylor as well? I've kept my eye on him since he left Duke. He's not a NBA player.

Swish1906 · Post #667 » by **Swish1906** » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:55 pm

I think Amar Sylla is going to be a late 1st round pick. I cant see the Celtics with their two additonal FRP (26 and 29) and Raptors (28) passing on him before the Mavs would take him for sure at #31

getrichordie · Post #668 » by **getrichordie** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:49 am

Who are the best mid-range artists in this draft?

BoyzNTheHood · Post #669 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:13 am

getrichordie wrote:Who are the best mid-range artists in this draft?

Ayo Dosunmu

getrichordie · Post #670 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:09 am

Felt like going through the past 10 drafts and seeing what the 2nd round looked like. Here's some players that had some kind of meaningful impact.

2010

33. Whiteside
35. Bjelica
39. Fields (career shortened by nerve injury)
40. Stephenson

2011

31. Bogdonavic
38. Parsons
42. Bertans
55. Moore, E'Twaun
60. Thomas, Isaiah

2012

32. Satoransky
34. Crowder
35. Green
39. Middleton
40. Barton
43. Scott, Mike
46. Miller, Darius
49. O'Quinn

2013

31. Crabbe
44. Muscala
50. Ennis

2014

33. Harris, Joe
38. Dinwiddie
39. Grant, Jerami
41. Jokic
45. Powell
46. Clarkson

2015

32. Harrell
37. Holmes
40. Richardson
41. Connaughton
46. Powell

2016

31. Zubac
36. Brogdon
50. Niang

2017

33. Iwundu
44. Dotson
45. Brooks
51. Morris

2018

32. Carter
33. Brunson
34. Graham
36. Robinson
37. Trent Jr.
54. Milton

2019 (too early to tell)

38. Gafford
...TBD

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That's 24 players selected in the 30s through 10 drafts, or an average of 2.4 players per draft.

There are 21 players selected at 40 or later through 10 drafts, or an average of 2.1 players per draft.

There are 12 players selected at 45 or later through 10 drafts, or an average of 0.5 players per draft.

getrichordie · Post #671 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:55 pm

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Dan33185 · Post #672 » by **Dan33185** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:51 pm

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29101453/tulane-guard-teshaun-hightower-charged-murder-georgia

Tulane basketball player Teshaun Hightower was arrested Saturday and charged with murder in connection with a homicide in Stockbridge, Georgia, earlier this month.

Hightower, the Green Wave's leading scorer in the 2019-20 season, was being held in the Henry County Jail without bail on Sunday. He is charged with felony murder, aggravated assault, possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, and battery. He was scheduled to appear in court Sunday morning.

Tulane announced Sunday afternoon that Hightower had been dismissed from the team following his arrest.

Hightower, a native of Lithonia, Georgia, transferred to Tulane last year after playing two seasons at Georgia. He announced April 18 that he was entering the NBA draft but still had one season of eligibility remaining.

A Henry County Police incident report indicated the shooting occurred at an apartment complex just before 11 a.m. ET on April 8. Devante Anthony Long was shot and later died at a hospital. He was 24.

According to a Facebook post by the Henry County Police Department, Hightower is one of six men who were subjects in the homicide investigation. Five of the men were in custody on Sunday, including Hightower's brother, Jeffery. One man still hadn't been arrested, according to jail records.

A Henry County Police Department spokesman wasn't immediately available for comment.

Hightower, a 6-foot-5 junior at Tulane last season, averaged 15.9 points and 4.6 rebounds in his only season with the Green Wave. He played 29 games in both the previous two seasons with the Bulldogs, averaging 5.1 points and 1.7 rebounds from 2017 to 2018.

clyde21 · Post #673 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:11 pm

for 2019 you also have Paschall who's already a good rotation piece, Claxton has been good when he's bee on the floor, Fernando played better later in the year, also coming to a theater near you soon Bol Bol

also 2019 pretty damn good UDFAs so far...Naz Reid, Lu Dort, Terence Davis...

getrichordie · Post #674 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:19 pm

clyde21 wrote:for 2019 you also have Paschall who's already a good rotation piece, Claxton has been good when he's bee on the floor, Fernando played better later in the year, also coming to a theater near you soon Bol Bol

also 2019 pretty damn good UDFAs so far...Naz Reid, Lu Dort, Terence Davis...

Davis would have been drafted had he agreed to a two-way deal.

Anyways, this is a good watch. It's safe to say people are starting to sleep on Wiseman.

Schmitz virtual film session w/ Wiseman:

Spoiler:

session w/ Achiuwa:

Spoiler:

CoreyVillains · Post #675 » by **CoreyVillains** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:04 pm

In the process of putting together my Killian Hayes video, but wanted to drop this in as a little preview. 2:20 of Hayes passing off a screen. Hayes is clearly a talented passer and intriguing as a playmaker, but he has some major major flaws that you’ll see when I complete my video.

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Catchall · Post #676 » by **Catchall** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:20 pm

getrichordie wrote:
Anyways, this is a good watch. It's safe to say people are starting to sleep on Wiseman.

Schmitz virtual film session w/ Wiseman:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

The thing with Wiseman, even though he's got limited feel in certain situations, is that he's so big, long and athletic that he doesn't actually have to do a whole lot to impact the game. As long as he runs the floor hard, makes rotations and plays with energy, he's already going to have an Andre Drummond-like impact, imo, even if he never becomes all that polished.

clyde21 · Post #677 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:31 pm

Catchall wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Anyways, this is a good watch. It's safe to say people are starting to sleep on Wiseman.

Schmitz virtual film session w/ Wiseman:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

The thing with Wiseman, even though he's got limited feel in certain situations, is that he's so big, long and athletic that he doesn't actually have to do a whole lot to impact the game. As long as he runs the floor hard, makes rotations and plays with energy, he's already going to have an Andre Drummond-like impact, imo, even if he never becomes all that polished.

which is...no impact

Drummond vs. Memphis: 25 points, 18 boards, 4 assists...and a LOSS

Drummond vs. Cleveland: 28 points, 23 boards, 1 assist, 1 block...and a LOSS

Drummond vs. SAS: 20 points, 19 boards, 3 assists, 4 blocks...and a LOSS

you get the point

Drummond's averaged per 36 for his career: 22 pts / 14 rebounds / 2 assists / 2 steals / 2 blocks

...with a whopping 0.3 +/-

that should tell you what kind of impact players like Drummond have...and Drummond is the greatest rebounder of this generation on a per minute basis, possibly THE greatest rebounder of all time...and you STILL wonder where his impact is on the W/L column

Catchall · Post #678 » by **Catchall** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:34 am

clyde21 wrote:
Catchall wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Anyways, this is a good watch. It's safe to say people are starting to sleep on Wiseman.

Schmitz virtual film session w/ Wiseman:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

The thing with Wiseman, even though he's got limited feel in certain situations, is that he's so big, long and athletic that he doesn't actually have to do a whole lot to impact the game. As long as he runs the floor hard, makes rotations and plays with energy, he's already going to have an Andre Drummond-like impact, imo, even if he never becomes all that polished.

which is...no impact

Drummond vs. Memphis: 25 points, 18 boards, 4 assists...and a LOSS

Drummond vs. Cleveland: 28 points, 23 boards, 1 assist, 1 block...and a LOSS

Drummond vs. SAS: 20 points, 19 boards, 3 assists, 4 blocks...and a LOSS

you get the point

Drummond's averaged per 36 for his career: 22 pts / 14 rebounds / 2 assists / 2 steals / 2 blocks

...with a whopping 0.3 +/-

that should tell you what kind of impact players like Drummond have...and Drummond is the greatest rebounder of this generation on a per minute basis, possibly THE greatest rebounder of all time...and you STILL wonder where his impact is on the W/L column

Drummond hasn't had a good team around him, or an offensive system that maximizes his strengths though. I get that Drummond can be lazy and lackadaisical, but who is the best player he's ever played with? Tobias? A hobbled Blake Griffin for like 30 games?

clyde21 · Post #679 » by **clyde21** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:45 am

^ not the point, no one is asking him to win championships, but the dude can't even beat the worst teams in the league when he posts ridiculous numbers...again numbers =/= impact

players like Drummond don't have much impact on the W/L column...so even IF Wiseman turns into one of the GOAT rebounders who drops 20/15 every game, he's STILL gonna have questionable impact if he doesn't turn into a multi-level player in the NBA.

kg01 · Post #680 » by **kg01** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:17 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:You mean Butler? Or is there a Jordan Tucker on Baylor as well? I've kept my eye on him since he left Duke. He's not a NBA player.

I remember being mildly upset when GT lost out on him to Duke. But, the more I watched him play even in HS, I couldn't figure out the reason for the hype.