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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#661 » by babyjax13 » Mon Apr 1, 2024 6:58 am

I like him for Philly. If they can also add a stretchy 4/5 they can have two different looks behind Embiid depending on the matchup.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#662 » by DOT » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:15 pm

bucknut wrote:most tall guys coming out have been euro soft

I don't know how anyone can still use the "soft" stereotype for Europeans in 2024

Just completely outdated, like something someone who hasn't watched basketball in 20 years would say.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#663 » by Saints14 » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:39 pm

I think we've come to this weird consensus where prospects actually get dinged for being too tall. Yes, mobility is important and most of the super tall guys can't move their feet well. But I think for a while we fetishized the 6'7" - 6'9" wing archetype to the point where we lost sight of the fact that in a game with a 10 foot hoop, being really tall is generally an advantage! It seems a bit weird to me that the conversation around Edey's height starts with the disadvantages of being 7'4" with a 7'10" wingspan rather than the massive advantage being 4-5 inches taller than other centers except for Wemby has. It gives him a ton of room for error on the defensive end, where if he's a tick slower his size can make up the difference. We know he's a great rim protector and rebounder, so as long as he's not a complete stiff like Sim Bhullar (he isn't) his strengths on that end should balance out his weaknesses and make him at least playable against most matchups on defense, if not impactful defensively against others. It's also worth noting that Edey is a 2x All-Big 10 defender, which yes doesn't mean he'll be one with better spacing in the NBA but does show that he is actually a great defender in college unlike Timme or Garza. The challenge is that the team that drafts him will have the right scheme for him so fit will be important, but I think he can be a pretty impactful starter or rotation player, just not one that you can necessarily count on closing games in the playoffs.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#664 » by Diop » Tue Apr 2, 2024 3:11 am

How does Edey's mobility compare to Goberts?

He seems to be a good comparison for slower rim protecting bigs
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#665 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 2, 2024 3:21 am

Diop wrote:How does Edey's mobility compare to Goberts?

He seems to be a good comparison for slower rim protecting bigs


If you go by the combine testing, Edey is much more mobile
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#666 » by Diop » Tue Apr 2, 2024 3:23 am

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Diop wrote:How does Edey's mobility compare to Goberts?

He seems to be a good comparison for slower rim protecting bigs


If you go by the combine testing, Edey is much more mobile

hey! I was posting here to check up on your Charlotte board comments, how dare you catch me out :D
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#667 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 2, 2024 3:44 am

Diop wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
Diop wrote:How does Edey's mobility compare to Goberts?

He seems to be a good comparison for slower rim protecting bigs


If you go by the combine testing, Edey is much more mobile

hey! I was posting here to check up on your Charlotte board comments, how dare you catch me out :D


Gobert:
Lane agility - 12.85
3/4 court sprint - 3.57
standing vert - 25
Max vert - 29

When Gobert was tested he was 7' 0.05" without shoes and 237 lb

Edey:
Lane agility - 11.37
3/4 court sprint - 3.45
standing vet - 26
max vert 29.5

When Edey was tested he was 7' 3.25" without shoes and 306 lb

And, that is not even the biggest difference. What really determines which guys will succeed is between the ears

Gobert is immature and cries to the refs when things don't go his way. Look at his latest media troll about holding people accountable for dirty plays if the refs don't.

Edey has a history of rapid improvement, is humble and mature. You never see him call out the refs in the media.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#668 » by Mattya » Tue Apr 2, 2024 4:00 am

GoBobs wrote:
Diop wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
If you go by the combine testing, Edey is much more mobile

hey! I was posting here to check up on your Charlotte board comments, how dare you catch me out :D


Gobert:
Lane agility - 12.85
3/4 court sprint - 3.57
standing vert - 25
Max vert - 29

When Gobert was tested he was 7' 0.05" without shoes and 237 lb

Edey:
Lane agility - 11.37
3/4 court sprint - 3.45
standing vet - 26
max vert 29.5

When Edey was tested he was 7' 3.25" without shoes and 306 lb

And, that is not even the biggest difference. What really determines which guys will succeed is between the ears

Gobert is immature and cries to the refs when things don't go his way. Look at his latest media troll about holding people accountable for dirty plays if the refs don't.

Edey has a history of rapid improvement, is humble and mature. You never see him call out the refs in the media.


Ah yes the historically unsuccessful Rudy Gobert… what am I reading lol
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#669 » by Diop » Tue Apr 2, 2024 4:15 am

Mattya wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
Diop wrote:hey! I was posting here to check up on your Charlotte board comments, how dare you catch me out :D


Gobert:
Lane agility - 12.85
3/4 court sprint - 3.57
standing vert - 25
Max vert - 29

When Gobert was tested he was 7' 0.05" without shoes and 237 lb

Edey:
Lane agility - 11.37
3/4 court sprint - 3.45
standing vet - 26
max vert 29.5

When Edey was tested he was 7' 3.25" without shoes and 306 lb

And, that is not even the biggest difference. What really determines which guys will succeed is between the ears

Gobert is immature and cries to the refs when things don't go his way. Look at his latest media troll about holding people accountable for dirty plays if the refs don't.

Edey has a history of rapid improvement, is humble and mature. You never see him call out the refs in the media.


Ah yes the historically unsuccessful Rudy Gobert… what am I reading lol

to be fair, he's using the success of Gobert as evidence that Edey should be successful as well. He just believe he will be better
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#670 » by Mattya » Tue Apr 2, 2024 5:03 am

Diop wrote:
Mattya wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
Gobert:
Lane agility - 12.85
3/4 court sprint - 3.57
standing vert - 25
Max vert - 29

When Gobert was tested he was 7' 0.05" without shoes and 237 lb

Edey:
Lane agility - 11.37
3/4 court sprint - 3.45
standing vet - 26
max vert 29.5

When Edey was tested he was 7' 3.25" without shoes and 306 lb

And, that is not even the biggest difference. What really determines which guys will succeed is between the ears

Gobert is immature and cries to the refs when things don't go his way. Look at his latest media troll about holding people accountable for dirty plays if the refs don't.

Edey has a history of rapid improvement, is humble and mature. You never see him call out the refs in the media.


Ah yes the historically unsuccessful Rudy Gobert… what am I reading lol

to be fair, he's using the success of Gobert as evidence that Edey should be successful as well. He just believe he will be better


Looks to me like he is saying you can’t be successful if you are immature because Gobert whines to the refs. It’s just a silly thing to say.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#671 » by FrodoBaggins » Tue Apr 2, 2024 10:19 am

GoBobs wrote:
Diop wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
If you go by the combine testing, Edey is much more mobile

hey! I was posting here to check up on your Charlotte board comments, how dare you catch me out :D


Gobert:
Lane agility - 12.85
3/4 court sprint - 3.57
standing vert - 25
Max vert - 29

When Gobert was tested he was 7' 0.05" without shoes and 237 lb

Edey:
Lane agility - 11.37
3/4 court sprint - 3.45
standing vet - 26
max vert 29.5

When Edey was tested he was 7' 3.25" without shoes and 306 lb

And, that is not even the biggest difference. What really determines which guys will succeed is between the ears

Gobert is immature and cries to the refs when things don't go his way. Look at his latest media troll about holding people accountable for dirty plays if the refs don't.

Edey has a history of rapid improvement, is humble and mature. You never see him call out the refs in the media.

They couldn't clap back because you hit 'em with the facts.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#672 » by JMAC3 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 1:05 pm

Rudy Gobert wasn't a good prospect, not sure I really get the comparison.
Gobert went pick 27 because he was already on the older side of international prospects at age 21 and he wasn't good his rookie season in the NBA. He averaged 2pts, 2 rebounds in 10 mpg his rookie year.

It wasn't like day 1 he made everyone look bad for him falling, he just improved a lot since he was drafted. He wasn't coordinated nor strong enough to play in the NBA so yeah makes sense his combine stats sucked. He was nowhere near what he is physically today.
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Post#673 » by FrodoBaggins » Tue Apr 2, 2024 1:44 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Rudy Gobert wasn't a good prospect, not sure I really get the comparison.
Gobert went pick 27 because he was already on the older side of international prospects at age 21 and he wasn't good his rookie season in the NBA. He averaged 2pts, 2 rebounds in 10 mpg his rookie year.

It wasn't like day 1 he made everyone look bad for him falling, he just improved a lot since he was drafted. He wasn't coordinated nor strong enough to play in the NBA so yeah makes sense his combine stats sucked. He was nowhere near what he is physically today.

So you're saying athletic/mobility improvements can be made once a player is on an NBA team and implementing a professional strength and conditioning program?

Wow. I'm excited to see just how much more athletic/mobile Zach can get!
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#674 » by CptCrunch » Tue Apr 2, 2024 1:49 pm

Am I smelling some argument here that Edey has massive defensive potential (like DPOY Gobert) in the NBA? In addition to his league leading baby hook repertoire?
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#675 » by FrodoBaggins » Tue Apr 2, 2024 1:54 pm

Floor: More mobile Boban (+0-1 per 100 possessions impact)

Living room table: Bigger Zubac (+2-3 per 100 possessions impact)

Ceiling: Bigger, stronger, less athletic Dwight Howard with better touch, post-up skills, and can hit free throws on offense; Brook Lopez/Old Tim Duncan on defense (+2-3 on offense; +3-4 on defense; +5-7 overall per 100 possessions impact)
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#676 » by JMAC3 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 2:32 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Rudy Gobert wasn't a good prospect, not sure I really get the comparison.
Gobert went pick 27 because he was already on the older side of international prospects at age 21 and he wasn't good his rookie season in the NBA. He averaged 2pts, 2 rebounds in 10 mpg his rookie year.

It wasn't like day 1 he made everyone look bad for him falling, he just improved a lot since he was drafted. He wasn't coordinated nor strong enough to play in the NBA so yeah makes sense his combine stats sucked. He was nowhere near what he is physically today.

So you're saying athletic/mobility improvements can be made once a player is on an NBA team and implementing a professional strength and conditioning program?

Wow. I'm excited to see just how much more athletic/mobile Zach can get!


No just more so saying I don't get the fascination with comparing him to Gobert and Gobert only.

Here are other tall players who were in the NBA- all these guys were at least 7-3.
This first group were the best players... All of these guys were far more skilled as passers, scorers and played with more finesse and skills then Edey.

Rik Smits
Ralph Sampson
Wemby
Arvydas
Ilgauskas
Yao Ming

Mark Eaton
Shaun Bradley

Tacko Fall
Sim Bhullarf
George Muresan
Manute Bol
Boban
Walter Tavares
Bol Bol
Hasheem Thabeet

This Last group are guys who I would say were limited skill wise, but attempted to be good via size.

Do you think watching Edey he is anywhere close to as skilled as the first group? I would say no. Maybe he is closest to Eaton and Bradley, but he might even be worse than those 2.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#677 » by mademan » Tue Apr 2, 2024 2:48 pm

If im OKC i take him in the lotto. I understand the risk of him possibly being unplayable, but dude seems like the perfect C beside Chet if he works out.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#678 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Apr 2, 2024 2:51 pm

Big Muresan belongs in that 2nd ground - was developing really well until his injuries. His years 23, 24 and 25 seasons were dam good.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#679 » by FrodoBaggins » Tue Apr 2, 2024 3:07 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Rudy Gobert wasn't a good prospect, not sure I really get the comparison.
Gobert went pick 27 because he was already on the older side of international prospects at age 21 and he wasn't good his rookie season in the NBA. He averaged 2pts, 2 rebounds in 10 mpg his rookie year.

It wasn't like day 1 he made everyone look bad for him falling, he just improved a lot since he was drafted. He wasn't coordinated nor strong enough to play in the NBA so yeah makes sense his combine stats sucked. He was nowhere near what he is physically today.

So you're saying athletic/mobility improvements can be made once a player is on an NBA team and implementing a professional strength and conditioning program?

Wow. I'm excited to see just how much more athletic/mobile Zach can get!


No just more so saying I don't get the fascination with comparing him to Gobert and Gobert only.

Here are other tall players who were in the NBA- all these guys were at least 7-3.
This first group were the best players... All of these guys were far more skilled as passers, scorers and played with more finesse and skills then Edey.

Rik Smits
Ralph Sampson
Wemby
Arvydas
Ilgauskas
Yao Ming

Mark Eaton
Shaun Bradley

Tacko Fall
Sim Bhullarf
George Muresan
Manute Bol
Boban
Walter Tavares
Bol Bol
Hasheem Thabeet

This Last group are guys who I would say were limited skill wise, but attempted to be good via size.

Do you think watching Edey he is anywhere close to as skilled as the first group? I would say no. Maybe he is closest to Eaton and Bradley, but he might even be worse than those 2.

Technical foul on JMAC3. Shifting the goalposts and straw-manning. Two shots.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#680 » by JMAC3 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 3:14 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:So you're saying athletic/mobility improvements can be made once a player is on an NBA team and implementing a professional strength and conditioning program?

Wow. I'm excited to see just how much more athletic/mobile Zach can get!


No just more so saying I don't get the fascination with comparing him to Gobert and Gobert only.

Here are other tall players who were in the NBA- all these guys were at least 7-3.
This first group were the best players... All of these guys were far more skilled as passers, scorers and played with more finesse and skills then Edey.

Rik Smits
Ralph Sampson
Wemby
Arvydas
Ilgauskas
Yao Ming

Mark Eaton
Shaun Bradley

Tacko Fall
Sim Bhullarf
George Muresan
Manute Bol
Boban
Walter Tavares
Bol Bol
Hasheem Thabeet

This Last group are guys who I would say were limited skill wise, but attempted to be good via size.

Do you think watching Edey he is anywhere close to as skilled as the first group? I would say no. Maybe he is closest to Eaton and Bradley, but he might even be worse than those 2.

Technical foul on JMAC3. Shifting the goalposts and straw-manning. Two shots.


It isn't though. The best bigs in todays game are the best bigs because of Skill, not just being big.
And based on the list I shared above it was same then.

Jokic, Embiid, Bam, Wemby, KAT, Sabonis, Davis, and Chet are the best centers in the league. They all are very good mainly because they are very skilled and pretty much nothing do with size.

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